Ravenous after long run



Pfah!

In article
<[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Great Marathon man) wrote:

> Now that Cam the moron has spoken, I'll warn you on this
> idiots advice. Even though you gain no weight, your
> cholesterol can skyrocket from eating this much food
> intake. If you plan on continuing down this path, at least
> be monitored by a Dr.
>
> onemarathon <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:<cam_wilson-
> [email protected]>...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Phil M." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time
> > > controlling my appetite. I can easily consume up to
> > > 6,000 calories. If it weren't for the fact that I
> > > eventually go to sleep, I'd consume even more. The
> > > next day I usually don't feel like eating until around
> > > noon. This does not seem to be impacting my weight
> > > over the course of a week.
> > >
> > > Is this something I should learn to control, or should
> > > I just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
> > > stomach?
> > >
> > > Phil M.
> >
> > ****, this sounds like the way i used to eat when i was
> > half and full marathon training. it didn't help that i
> > thought about food the whole time i was running, either.
> > i'd be in the door, stretching while getting some
> > burgers and potatoes going on the stove (or a whole
> > pizza). it was never too junky, all homemade and i'm
> > very health-conscious (close to vegetarian). i'd eat a
> > huge meal, then fruit for dessert (no cookies or cake in
> > this house), then i'd eat a bowl of popcorn while i
> > kicked back for a movie. the amounts were massive.
> >
> > i gained *a little* weight during all of that. at the
> > time i felt that all that food was necessary to refuel
> > and for proper recovery. i did wish i wasn't gaining
> > rather than losing weight from all of those miles i ran.
> >
> > but now that i'm looking at shorter training runs and
> > races (10k or less), i've seen a marked decrease in the
> > need to eat like there is no tomorrow. i definitely eat
> > smarter, though i still treat myself to chips and
> > chocolate on a fairly regular basis.
> >
> > the timing of your run and your meals may bear
> > consideration here. if you wait many hours after a meal
> > to go running, then you may be starving during the run,
> > and will want to gorge. i'm sure that eating a smaller
> > amount would do you fine, if you were to try it. it's
> > more in the mind really... just lick that urge to keep
> > feeding after you have obviously taken in enough food.
> >
> > just my two cents,
> >
> > Cam
 
Phil M. wrote:

> One dark day on Usenet, "Tony"
> <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> said
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>Phil M. wrote in message ...
>>
>>>After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time
>>>controlling my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000
>>>calories. If it weren't for the fact that I eventually go
>>>to sleep, I'd consume even more. The next day I usually
>>>don't feel like eating until around noon. This does not
>>>seem to be impacting my weight over the course of a week.
>>>
>>>Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
>>>just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
>>>stomach?
>>>
>>
>>These days I always eat a healthy amount during the long
>>run and the same goes for long bike rides. usually 20-30
>>oz accelerade/hour and a GU every 30 to 40 mins, and
>>usually some kind of protien/carb bar as well. Then right
>>after the run a high carb shake and pretzels if I feel
>>like eating. Then I sometimes nibble a little but I don't
>>usually have cravings, and I'm back to normal eating by
>>dinnertime. Eating during the run helps with recovery.
>
>
> I usualy have about 400 calores before the run, 500
> calories during the run, and 750 calories right after the
> run. So I guess I need to up the calories during the run.

the problem is that there is an upper limit to how much can
be digested during activity. 30-60 grams of carbs/hour is
about all the stomach can handle.

> Or, like Lyle said, "What are you worried about?" I'll
> just eat like crazy all day.

Yes. As long as your weight is stable, I don't see what the
problem is.

Lyle
 
On 2004-07-07, Phil M. <[email protected]> wrote:
> One dark day on Usenet, "Dan Stumpus"
> <[email protected]> said news:9rYGc.8034$R36.6781@n-
> ewsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> IMO, giving into the urge to totally pig out is why most
>> runners are above optimal weight...Of course, if they
>> weren't usually 10-25 lbs overweight, I wouldn't place as
>> well, so keep at it!
>
> Unless I lose a lot of upper body muscle, I think 160 is
> about as low as I should go without losing strength. All
> that time spent in the gym in the 80s trying to look
> like Arnold is coming back to haunt me now. Reminds me
> of Lance Armstrong improving his performance by losing
> upper body mass during his cancer episode. Not something
> I want to do.

I'm in a similar boat here, except even *with* losing
strength, I'm stuck at around 160. Even after some time off
weights, I didn't drop. Was 140 in high school, but stick-
thin (stick thin legs as well) I figure that if my body fat
is low (amusingly, it came out at 4.5% on a Tanita), and I'm
not losing weight after a month off lifting, on 70mpw, it's
time to stop worrying about losing weight.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Phil M." <[email protected]> wrote:

> I guess this is one of the reasons I like runing. I can
> eat as much as I want and not gain weight. ;-)
>
> Phil M.

but of course. better something healthy as an appetite
suppressant rather than cigarettes, pills, anorexia, etc.

chow down, brutha,

Cam
 
"frank-in-toronto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:59:21 GMT, "Phil M."
> <[email protected]> wrote: <snip>
> >I usualy have about 400 calores before the run, 500
> >calories during
the
> >run, and 750 calories right after the run. So I guess I
> >need to up
the
> >calories during the run. Or, like Lyle said, "What are
> >you worried about?" I'll just eat like crazy all day.
> i've been thinking about this lately. i see myself and the
> other runners chowing down big-time after short races. say
> we used 500 calories (which I doubt) on the 5Ks. we shove
> back about 1000 to 1500. maybe this is why none (or almost
> none) of the runners are real tight-bodied.

Too simplistic. For a morning 5k most people don't eat
breakfast and are already behind in their daily caloric
intake. So cramming down a 1000 might be a normal breakfast
plus the 300 or so you burned off during the race plus the
fact that your metabolism is still revved although you have
stopped running.

If what you are suggesting is true then most 5k folks would
be a portly lot or starving the rest of day after this
alleged binge.

> so, i drank more water and juice. ate a few cookies. but
> stayed away from the high caloric cream cheese. there
> aren't very many people that couldn't stand to lose a
> pound or two of fat and i can too. this is a good
> opportunity.

In my opinion this is not a good time to play the diet
martyr. This is the time to aid you recover with good carbs
and although cookies are carbs they are less then ideal
nutrition. A little cream cheese on a bagel is not abuse but
good balanced eating unless you have 5 and each piled with
three inches of cream cheese. We can all mind our calories
but after a race is not the best time to curtail good carbs.

-DougF
 
One dark day on Usenet, Lyle McDonald <[email protected]>
said news:[email protected]:

> Phil M. wrote:
>
>> One dark day on Usenet, "Tony"
>> <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> said
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>>Phil M. wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>>After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time
>>>>controlling my appetite. I can easily consume up to
>>>>6,000 calories. If it weren't
for
>>>>the fact that I eventually go to sleep, I'd consume even
>>>>more. The next day I usually don't feel like eating
>>>>until around noon. This
does
>>>>not seem to be impacting my weight over the course of
>>>>a week.
>>>>
>>>>Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
>>>>just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
>>>>stomach?
>>>>
>>>
>>>These days I always eat a healthy amount during the long
>>>run and the same goes for long bike rides. usually 20-30
>>>oz accelerade/hour and a GU every 30 to 40 mins, and
>>>usually some kind of protien/carb bar as well. Then right
>>>after the run a high carb shake and pretzels if I feel
>>>like eating. Then I sometimes nibble a little but I don't
>>>usually have cravings, and I'm back to normal eating by
>>>dinnertime. Eating during the run helps with recovery.
>>
>>
>> I usualy have about 400 calores before the run, 500
>> calories during
the
>> run, and 750 calories right after the run. So I guess I
>> need to up the calories during the run.
>
> the problem is that there is an upper limit to how much
> can be digested during activity. 30-60 grams of carbs/hour
> is about all the stomach
can
> handle.

I'm not taking it all in at once. During the run, the 500
calories is divided into 12 oz Cytomax every 2.5 miles.
That's 75 calories and 15 carbs every 20 minutes or about 45
grams of carbs per hour.

Phil M.

--
If you can empty your own boat Crossing the river of the
world, No one will oppose you, No one will seek to harm you.
-Chuang Tzu
 
One dark day on Usenet, Donovan Rebbechi <[email protected]> said
news:[email protected]:

> On 2004-07-07, Phil M. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> One dark day on Usenet, "Dan Stumpus"
>> <[email protected]> said news:9rYGc.8034$R36.6781@-
>> newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>
>>> IMO, giving into the urge to totally pig out is why most
>>> runners are above optimal weight...Of course, if they
>>> weren't usually 10-25 lbs overweight, I wouldn't place
>>> as well, so keep at it!
>>
>> Unless I lose a lot of upper body muscle, I think 160 is
>> about as low as I should go without losing strength. All
>> that time spent in the gym in the 80s trying to look
>> like Arnold is coming back to haunt me now. Reminds me
>> of Lance Armstrong improving his performance by losing
>> upper body mass during his cancer episode. Not something
>> I want to do.
>
> I'm in a similar boat here, except even *with* losing
> strength, I'm stuck at around 160. Even after some time
> off weights, I didn't drop. Was 140 in high school, but
> stick-thin (stick thin legs as well) I figure that if my
> body fat is low (amusingly, it came out at 4.5% on a
> Tanita), and I'm not losing weight after a month off
> lifting, on 70mpw, it's time to stop worrying about
> losing weight.

FWIW, I too am consistently under 5% on my Tanita. The last
time I was running seriously ('98) I was around 10 - 15% on
the same scale. I say FWIW, because as you probably know,
this is not a very reliable way to measure body fat
percentage.

Phil M.

--
If you can empty your own boat Crossing the river of the
world, No one will oppose you, No one will seek to harm you.
-Chuang Tzu
 
I've lost about 5 lbs in the last few weeks, trying to get
down to my former competitive weight of 140, and I did my
first LT and speedwork starting last week. After a couple of
months of very low intensity running (pulse in 125 - 133
range) my first hard LT workouts are within 2% of my
personal bests.

I think it's the weight. We'll see what happens as I dip
down to my goal weight.

I'll tell you one thing, I have to be pretty disciplined to
lose any weight, even at 80 mpw. The hunger gremlins are
always at work.

-- Dan

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2004-07-07, Phil M. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > One dark day on Usenet, "Dan Stumpus"
> > <[email protected]> said news:9rYGc.8034$R36.6781-
> > @newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> >
> >> IMO, giving into the urge to totally pig out is why
> >> most runners are above optimal weight...Of course, if
> >> they weren't usually 10-25 lbs overweight, I wouldn't
> >> place as well, so keep at it!
> >
> > Unless I lose a lot of upper body muscle, I think 160 is
> > about as low as I should go without losing strength. All
> > that time spent in the gym in the 80s trying to look
> > like Arnold is coming back to haunt me now. Reminds me
> > of Lance Armstrong improving his performance by losing
> > upper body mass during his cancer episode. Not something
> > I want to do.
>
> I'm in a similar boat here, except even *with* losing
> strength, I'm stuck
at
> around 160. Even after some time off weights, I didn't
> drop. Was 140 in
high
> school, but stick-thin (stick thin legs as well) I figure
> that if my body
fat
> is low (amusingly, it came out at 4.5% on a Tanita), and
> I'm not losing
weight
> after a month off lifting, on 70mpw, it's time to stop
> worrying about
losing
> weight.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
Phil M. wrote:

>>the problem is that there is an upper limit to how much
>>can be digested during activity. 30-60 grams of carbs/hour
>>is about all the stomach
>
> can
>
>>handle.
>
>
> I'm not taking it all in at once.

I didn't mean to suggeste that you were. Typically taht 30-
60 ghrams would be divided up into roughly equal amounts
drunk every 15 minutes or so. If you put 60 grams of carbs
in a standard 32 oz cycling water bottle and drink 1/4 of it
every 15 minutes, you get just about the right amount of
carbs and fluids that your body can handle. A slightly
larger bottle would be better but 32 oz/hour is close.

>During the run, the 500 calories is divided into 12 oz
>Cytomax every 2.5 miles. That's 75 calories and 15 carbs
>every 20 minutes or about 45 grams of carbs per hour.
>

Ok, so you could bump this by another 15 g carbs/hour,
increaing calories by 60/hour.

Lyle
 
On 2004-07-06, Doug Freese <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "frank-in-toronto" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:59:21 GMT, "Phil M."
>> <[email protected]> wrote: <snip>
>> >I usualy have about 400 calores before the run, 500
>> >calories during
> the
>> >run, and 750 calories right after the run. So I guess I
>> >need to up
> the
>> >calories during the run. Or, like Lyle said, "What are
>> >you worried about?" I'll just eat like crazy all day.
>> i've been thinking about this lately. i see myself and
>> the other runners chowing down big-time after short
>> races. say we used 500 calories (which I doubt) on the
>> 5Ks. we shove back about 1000 to 1500. maybe this is why
>> none (or almost none) of the runners are real tight-
>> bodied.
>
> Too simplistic. For a morning 5k most people don't eat
> breakfast and are already behind in their daily caloric
> intake. So cramming down a 1000 might be a normal
> breakfast plus the 300 or so you burned off during the
> race plus the fact that your metabolism is still revved
> although you have stopped running.
>
> If what you are suggesting is true then most 5k folks
> would be a portly lot or starving the rest of day after
> this alleged binge.

I'm usually not extraordinarily hungry after a 5k race. I
mean, I still eat fairly substantial amounts of food, but no
more than usual (in fact maybe slightly less)

But then, I'm not exactly portly either.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> On 2004-07-06, Doug Freese <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"frank-in-toronto" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message news:[email protected]...

>>If what you are suggesting is true then most 5k folks
>>would be a portly lot or starving the rest of day after
>>this alleged binge.
>
>
> I'm usually not extraordinarily hungry after a 5k race. I
> mean, I still eat fairly substantial amounts of food, but
> no more than usual (in fact maybe slightly less)
>
> But then, I'm not exactly portly either.

FWIW, intensity seems to affect the hunger response, as
catecholamines (levels of which will be much higher the
higher the intensity) tend to blunt hunger.

There's also not the liver glycogen depletion going on in
shorter races.

So hard to compare a 5k race to a long run/race, very
different in terms of hormonal response, fuel useage, etc.

Lyle
 
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