Is GLYCOGEN'S importance overrated?

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I have always heard for years that for muscles to be strengthened they
need GLYCOGEN and for long lasting fuel they need GLYCOGEN etc....
etc....

Well... I have been on a low-carbohydrate diet and in a mild level of
ketosis and my stamina and endurance are much better now than they used
to be.

Now granted... some of the reason I probably can walk much better than
before is the weight-loss I have experienced but I don't notice any
real difference in how far or fast I can walk whether or not I am
low-carbing or just eating regularly. Now... I am not running
marathons or anything but I do try and walk several miles a day.

Even on days when I eat nothing for breakfast I can still walk just as
far.

If there is no GLYCOGEN present can't the body make the necessary fuel
it needs by breaking down its fat stores? So... this begs the
question.... To exercise successfully do we really need to eat all
those carbs to insure all that GLYCOGEN or can the body adapt without
it?

Thanks in advance

Since muscle glycogen is mostly needed in training with higher intensity
than walking you won't see much of a difference. Try sprinting or actually
running and you _will_ see a difference.

As long as the body can easily use fat stores to fuel the muscles with ATP
it will do so.. fat is more efficient in terms of energy per gram.

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If there is no GLYCOGEN present can't the body make the necessary fuel
it needs by breaking down its fat stores?

Even low carb, while vague as what "low" means, you will never be out of
glycogen. If you were to run out of glycogen you would know it. In
running and other endurance sports it's called bonking and very painful.
Stand at mile 24 of marathon and you see what happens when you run out
of glycogen - they are walking.

So... this begs the

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question.... To exercise successfully do we really need to eat all
those carbs to insure all that GLYCOGEN or can the body adapt without
it?

For your walking activity you are replacing all the glycogen you need.
As MMu pointed out you would need to add a longer and more rigorous
activity. For those of us doing longer rigorous exercise we can eat all
the healthy carbs we want and stay thin without ketosis breath. 😉

-DF

Thanks.... Oh... I know about the KETOSIS BREATH believe me. I used
to weigh over 400 pounds but now am down to about 250 and dropping so
running is not an option right now.

As far as never running out of GLYCOGEN. I have read numerous times
that when you eat no carbs your body will use up all of it's glycogen
stores within 48 hours.... Now... whether or not that's true or not?
I have no idea.

Thanks guys

David

My guess is this:

The amounts of carbs necessary to provide for adequate glycogen has
been way overstated.

and

The ability of the body to get glycogen from non-carb foods has been
way understated.

and

It is a very, very small percentage of people engage in sports or
physical events that involve the need for world class athletic
endurance and performance and need to pay attention to what they
consume before, during and after their extreme physical activities.

We simply do not need to "carb up" for regular every day exercise,
sports and activities.

Humans aren't designed to run 26 miles straight. So I can see where you
may need to do something out of the ordinary when attempting a physical
feat that is that out of the ordinary. You may need to consume
something extra before, during or after the 26 mile run. Whether the
better thing to do is drinking sugary drinks or eating meat, I don't
know. And frankly, I don't care. I don't plan on running 26 miles any
time soon. And I would guess 99% of people don't plan on running 26
miles any time soon.

For us normal folk, you know the majority, who just want to have the
energy to get thru the day and partake in reasonable levels of physical
activity on a regular basis, our bodies are able to take care of our
glycogen needs on a relatively low carb diet without difficulty. I've
yet to bonk out due to lack of carbs in my low-carb diet and I doubt
that any typical person ever will.

TC

Quoted message said:

I have always heard for years that for muscles to be strengthened they
need GLYCOGEN and for long lasting fuel they need GLYCOGEN etc....
etc....

Well... I have been on a low-carbohydrate diet and in a mild level of
ketosis and my stamina and endurance are much better now than they used
to be.

Now granted... some of the reason I probably can walk much better than
before is the weight-loss I have experienced but I don't notice any
real difference in how far or fast I can walk whether or not I am
low-carbing or just eating regularly. Now... I am not running
marathons or anything but I do try and walk several miles a day.

Even on days when I eat nothing for breakfast I can still walk just as
far.

If there is no GLYCOGEN present can't the body make the necessary fuel
it needs by breaking down its fat stores? So... this begs the
question.... To exercise successfully do we really need to eat all
those carbs to insure all that GLYCOGEN or can the body adapt without
it?

Thanks in advance

DAVID

For low intensity exercise muscle glycogen isn't that important, apparently
your muscles can run on ketones or whatever (someone might want to correct
me). For high intensity exercise, *most* people notice a fairly large
difference. Low intensity exercise might be walking, cycling, or running on
flat surfaces ect. whereas high intensity exercise might be hiking, weight
lifting, rowing, what have you.

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Quoted message said:

I have always heard for years that for muscles to be strengthened they
need GLYCOGEN and for long lasting fuel they need GLYCOGEN etc....
etc....

Well... I have been on a low-carbohydrate diet and in a mild level of
ketosis and my stamina and endurance are much better now than they used
to be.

Now granted... some of the reason I probably can walk much better than
before is the weight-loss I have experienced but I don't notice any
real difference in how far or fast I can walk whether or not I am
low-carbing or just eating regularly. Now... I am not running
marathons or anything but I do try and walk several miles a day.

Even on days when I eat nothing for breakfast I can still walk just as
far.

If there is no GLYCOGEN present can't the body make the necessary fuel
it needs by breaking down its fat stores? So... this begs the
question.... To exercise successfully do we really need to eat all
those carbs to insure all that GLYCOGEN or can the body adapt without
it?

Thanks in advance

DAVID

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My guess is this:

The amounts of carbs necessary to provide for adequate glycogen has
been way overstated.

and

The ability of the body to get glycogen from non-carb foods has been
way understated.

and

It is a very, very small percentage of people engage in sports or
physical events that involve the need for world class athletic
endurance and performance and need to pay attention to what they
consume before, during and after their extreme physical activities.

We simply do not need to "carb up" for regular every day exercise,
sports and activities.

Humans aren't designed to run 26 miles straight. So I can see where you
may need to do something out of the ordinary when attempting a physical
feat that is that out of the ordinary. You may need to consume
something extra before, during or after the 26 mile run. Whether the
better thing to do is drinking sugary drinks or eating meat, I don't
know. And frankly, I don't care. I don't plan on running 26 miles any
time soon. And I would guess 99% of people don't plan on running 26
miles any time soon.

Nor is that recommended, at least not every day. Excessive cardio can burn
muscle just like excessive dieting and excessive anaerobic exercise (adding
carbs might help prevent that but it's still a risk). Not only that but it
can lead to injuries, soreness, and burn-out.

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For us normal folk, you know the majority, who just want to have the
energy to get thru the day and partake in reasonable levels of physical
activity on a regular basis, our bodies are able to take care of our
glycogen needs on a relatively low carb diet without difficulty. I've
yet to bonk out due to lack of carbs in my low-carb diet and I doubt
that any typical person ever will.

TC

Quoted message said:

I have always heard for years that for muscles to be strengthened they
need GLYCOGEN and for long lasting fuel they need GLYCOGEN etc....
etc....

Well... I have been on a low-carbohydrate diet and in a mild level of
ketosis and my stamina and endurance are much better now than they used
to be.

Now granted... some of the reason I probably can walk much better than
before is the weight-loss I have experienced but I don't notice any
real difference in how far or fast I can walk whether or not I am
low-carbing or just eating regularly. Now... I am not running
marathons or anything but I do try and walk several miles a day.

Even on days when I eat nothing for breakfast I can still walk just as
far.

If there is no GLYCOGEN present can't the body make the necessary fuel
it needs by breaking down its fat stores? So... this begs the
question.... To exercise successfully do we really need to eat all
those carbs to insure all that GLYCOGEN or can the body adapt without
it?

Thanks in advance

DAVID

TC said:

My guess is this:

The amounts of carbs necessary to provide for adequate glycogen has
been way overstated.

and

The ability of the body to get glycogen from non-carb foods has been
way understated.

and

It is a very, very small percentage of people engage in sports or
physical events that involve the need for world class athletic
endurance and performance and need to pay attention to what they
consume before, during and after their extreme physical activities.

You will feel a difference running 5 miles

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We simply do not need to "carb up" for regular every day exercise,
sports and activities.

Yeah just go around feeling terrible

Quoted message said:

Humans aren't designed to run 26 miles straight. So I can see where you
may need to do something out of the ordinary when attempting a physical
feat that is that out of the ordinary. You may need to consume
something extra before, during or after the 26 mile run. Whether the
better thing to do is drinking sugary drinks or eating meat, I don't
know. And frankly, I don't care. I don't plan on running 26 miles any
time soon. And I would guess 99% of people don't plan on running 26
miles any time soon.

It does not have to come anywhere close to running 26 miles to feel
the effect.

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For us normal folk, you know the majority

the majority that are overweight or obese?

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who just want to have the energy to get thru the day and partake in reasonable levels of physical
activity on a regular basis, our bodies are able to take care of our
glycogen needs on a relatively low carb diet without difficulty

If your goal is to simply watch TV and eat than yes

.. I've

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yet to bonk out due to lack of carbs in my low-carb diet and I doubt
that any typical person ever will.

Raking leaves is not exercise

You haven't a clue what activities I partake in. Jackass.

You are attempting to talk authoritatively about something that you are
completely ignorant about. Is that a pattern?

TC

jt said:

TC said:

My guess is this:

The amounts of carbs necessary to provide for adequate glycogen has
been way overstated.

and

The ability of the body to get glycogen from non-carb foods has been
way understated.

and

It is a very, very small percentage of people engage in sports or
physical events that involve the need for world class athletic
endurance and performance and need to pay attention to what they
consume before, during and after their extreme physical activities.

You will feel a difference running 5 miles

Quoted message said:

We simply do not need to "carb up" for regular every day exercise,
sports and activities.

Yeah just go around feeling terrible

Quoted message said:

Humans aren't designed to run 26 miles straight. So I can see where you
may need to do something out of the ordinary when attempting a physical
feat that is that out of the ordinary. You may need to consume
something extra before, during or after the 26 mile run. Whether the
better thing to do is drinking sugary drinks or eating meat, I don't
know. And frankly, I don't care. I don't plan on running 26 miles any
time soon. And I would guess 99% of people don't plan on running 26
miles any time soon.

It does not have to come anywhere close to running 26 miles to feel
the effect.

Quoted message said:

For us normal folk, you know the majority

the majority that are overweight or obese?

Quoted message said:

who just want to have the energy to get thru the day and partake in reasonable levels of physical
activity on a regular basis, our bodies are able to take care of our
glycogen needs on a relatively low carb diet without difficulty

If your goal is to simply watch TV and eat than yes

. I've

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yet to bonk out due to lack of carbs in my low-carb diet and I doubt
that any typical person ever will.

Raking leaves is not exercise

TC said:

You haven't a clue what activities I partake in. Jackass.

You are attempting to talk authoritatively about something that you are
completely ignorant about. Is that a pattern?

TC

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Raking leaves is not exercise

I'm sorry, blowing leaves

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For low intensity exercise muscle glycogen isn't that important,
apparently your muscles can run on ketones or whatever (someone might want
to correct

...fat usually.
(muslces run on ATP which can be generated out of different sources- at low
intensity mostly fat).

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For low intensity exercise muscle glycogen isn't that important,
apparently your muscles can run on ketones or whatever (someone might
want to correct

..fat usually.
(muslces run on ATP which can be generated out of different sources- at
low intensity mostly fat).

<snip>

Thanks.

Who is "Leaves"?

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I'm sorry, blowing leaves

bump

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You haven't a clue what activities I partake in. Jackass.

Not do I but with your views over the months it is obvious you do not
believe in more than a smidgen, if any, in exercise. It's obvious you
haven't the remotest idea about the topic. Then again, you don't know
much about nutrition so it is self explanatory.

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You are attempting to talk authoritatively about something that you
are
completely ignorant about. Is that a pattern?

You must be kidding. you're still spewing the same old myths. Bush will
have quite a few open spots in the next few months maybe you can get a
job with FEMA or World Health.

-DF

How's the trollin' yank?

TC

Doug Freese said:

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You haven't a clue what activities I partake in. Jackass.

Not do I but with your views over the months it is obvious you do not
believe in more than a smidgen, if any, in exercise. It's obvious you
haven't the remotest idea about the topic. Then again, you don't know
much about nutrition so it is self explanatory.

Quoted message said:

You are attempting to talk authoritatively about something that you
are
completely ignorant about. Is that a pattern?

You must be kidding. you're still spewing the same old myths. Bush will
have quite a few open spots in the next few months maybe you can get a
job with FEMA or World Health.

-DF