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  1. sf wrote in news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Brute Rosé? You mean Iron Horse? It retails for $50 at the source.
    No thanks. Sushi is supposed to be an inexpensive meal. A $50 wine
    would be twice what the total for 2 of us is for food.

    You object to paying more for wine than for food? This is not the newsgroup
    for you. It was my friend's turn to pay for dinner. The check was about
    $100. The wine I brought was over $200. It is far from uncommon for someone
    in this group to spend much more on the wine for a meal than the food.

    Fred.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Hunt)

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    Where does wasabi come from?

    What is the ginger for?

    What are recommended wines with sushi?

    --
    Rich

    Wasabi is basically a Japanese horseradish paste, and the pickled ginger is
    often placed atop a dollop of it on some sushi dishes.

    For the best match, in my experience, look towards a fruit-driven SB. I like
    the Groth Napa, which is readily available and at not too high a price-point.

    I'd also quickly consider a Brut Rosé.

    Hunt

    Chilled Premium Sake is still my favorite with sushi.

  3. sf sf said:
    (Hunt) said:

    I like the Groth Napa, which is readily available and at not too high a price-point.

    Haven't heard of that winery. It sells for $18 a bottle on their web
    site, so it sells for at least double in restaurants. "Sushi" isn't a
    meal where I spend a lot of money on wine.

    Quoted message said:


    I'd also quickly consider a Brut Rosé.


    Brute Rosé? You mean Iron Horse?

    Brut Rosé is a category which includes multiple wines which vary in
    price. Iron Horse does indeed produce one, as do Roederer and Fleury
    and many others.

    Quoted message said:

    No thanks. Sushi is supposed to be an inexpensive meal.

    Says who?

    --
    Aw, ma! He's not even my real brother, he's adopted.

  4. Paul wrote on Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:41:56 -0400:

    PA> On 2007-09-05, sf <sf> wrote:
    ??>> On 5 Sep 2007 02:52:41 GMT, [email hidden] (Hunt) wrote:
    ??>>
    ??>>> I like the Groth Napa, which is readily available and at
    ??>>> not too high a price-point.
    ??>>
    ??>> Haven't heard of that winery. It sells for $18 a bottle
    ??>> on their web site, so it sells for at least double in
    ??>> restaurants. "Sushi" isn't a meal where I spend a lot of
    ??>> money on wine.
    ??>>>
    ??>>> I'd also quickly consider a Brut Rosé.
    ??>>>
    ??>> Brute Rosé? You mean Iron Horse?

    PA> Brut Rosé is a category which includes multiple wines which
    PA> vary in price. Iron Horse does indeed produce one, as do
    PA> Roederer and Fleury and many others.

    ??>> No thanks. Sushi is supposed to be an inexpensive meal.

    PA> Says who?

    I wouldn't dream of drinking expensive wines or even expensive
    sakes with sushi but a sushi meal's price can exceed $50 in very
    good places. I haven't been there but isn't Nobu in New York an
    example? Around here, the Zagat guide lists several sushi places
    with meal prices in excess of $40 and one at $65. For myself, I
    drink beer, especially dry Japanese ones but I am told that many
    Japanese don't drink much besides tea with sushi. As for sakes,
    I like good, cold sake *before* eating sushi.

    Sushi *was* an inexpensive snack finger food eaten from street
    stands in Tokyo and the only drink was tea and fingers were
    often rinsed in the tea after eating! Sushi moved indoors and
    upscale in the 1950s.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

  5. James Silverton said:

    I wouldn't dream of drinking expensive wines or even expensive
    sakes with sushi but a sushi meal's price can exceed $50 in very
    good places.

    Easily! It can even easily exceed $50 is some not-so-very-good places.

    --
    Ken Blake
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup

  6. Ken wrote on Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:52:25 -0700:

    ??>> I wouldn't dream of drinking expensive wines or even
    ??>> expensive sakes with sushi but a sushi meal's price can
    ??>> exceed $50 in very good places.

    KB> Easily! It can even easily exceed $50 is some
    KB> not-so-very-good places.

    Can't really argue but some people's capacity for sushi is
    greater than others and is sometimes amazing! My son is one of
    them as I discovered :-)

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

  7. James Silverton said:

    Ken wrote on Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:52:25 -0700:

    ??>> I wouldn't dream of drinking expensive wines or even
    ??>> expensive sakes with sushi but a sushi meal's price can
    ??>> exceed $50 in very good places.

    KB> Easily! It can even easily exceed $50 is some
    KB> not-so-very-good places.

    Can't really argue but some people's capacity for sushi is
    greater than others and is sometimes amazing!

    Sure. As with any other kind of food.

    Quoted message said:

    My son is one of
    them as I discovered :-)

    Mine too (not to mention me). Also my 12-year-old grandson's. For his
    birthday, my wife and I just took our grandson and his parents to
    their favorite sushi bar. The tab was *well* over $50 a person.

    My grandson drank water, I drank hot sake (non-traditional with sushi,
    but I like it anyway) and everyone else drank beer. And yes, the beer
    and sake raised the cost.

    --
    Ken Blake
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup

  8. Fred said:

    sf wrote in news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Brute Rosé? You mean Iron Horse? It retails for $50 at the source.
    No thanks. Sushi is supposed to be an inexpensive meal. A $50 wine
    would be twice what the total for 2 of us is for food.

    You object to paying more for wine than for food? This is not the newsgroup
    for you. It was my friend's turn to pay for dinner. The check was about
    $100. The wine I brought was over $200. It is far from uncommon for someone
    in this group to spend much more on the wine for a meal than the food.

    Fred.

    This was xposted so I am replying from a different ng and yes, I *do*
    object paying more for the wine than food.

    --

    Ham and eggs.
    A day's work for the chicken, a lifetime commitment for the pig.

  9. Paul Arthur said:
    sf sf said:

    No thanks. Sushi is supposed to be an inexpensive meal.

    Says who?

    Says me. Sushi is in the Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican category.

    --

    Ham and eggs.
    A day's work for the chicken, a lifetime commitment for the pig.

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, sf says...

    Quoted message said:


    (Hunt) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    Where does wasabi come from?

    What is the ginger for?

    What are recommended wines with sushi?

    --
    Rich

    Wasabi is basically a Japanese horseradish paste, and the pickled ginger is
    often placed atop a dollop of it on some sushi dishes.

    For the best match, in my experience, look towards a fruit-driven SB.

    good choice. The wine lovers term is "fruit forward". Personally,
    the cheap wines I like at inexpensive restaurants are Inglenook and
    (shade your eyes and stifle that gasp) Carlo Rossi. They are sold as
    "house wine", with no brand attribution.

    Quoted message said:

    I like the Groth Napa, which is readily available and at not too high a


    price-p

    Quoted message said:

    oint.

    Haven't heard of that winery. It sells for $18 a bottle on their web
    site, so it sells for at least double in restaurants. "Sushi" isn't a
    meal where I spend a lot of money on wine.

    Quoted message said:


    I'd also quickly consider a Brut Rosé.


    Brute Rosé? You mean Iron Horse? It retails for $50 at the source.
    No thanks. Sushi is supposed to be an inexpensive meal. A $50 wine
    would be twice what the total for 2 of us is for food.

    --

    Ham and eggs.
    A day's work for the chicken, a lifetime commitment for the pig.

    Not sure about the "inexpensive" part. We turn Nobu (not THAT Nobu) loose with
    his omakase menu and the fare is usually US$250+ for food for two, and the
    wine tab is closer to US$300, but the time we're done.

    If I wanted to go cheap, I'd skip the wine and just do water, but then wine is
    part of all of my meals.

    Sorry if my suggestions offended you.

    Hunt

  11. In article <[email hidden]>, sf says...

    Quoted message said:


    Paul Arthur said:
    sf sf said:

    No thanks. Sushi is supposed to be an inexpensive meal.

    Says who?

    Says me. Sushi is in the Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican category.

    Strange, I do not recall the OP asking for wine recs. in the under US$4/btl @
    restaurant prices. If you want cheap, then do it. Otherwise, maybe you can
    share a list of *drinkable* wines that do pair with sushi.

    Hunt

  12. (Hunt) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, sf says...

    Quoted message said:


    Paul Arthur said:

    On 2007-09-05, sf <sf> wrote:

    > No thanks. Sushi is supposed to be an inexpensive meal.

    Says who?

    Says me. Sushi is in the Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican category.

    Strange, I do not recall the OP asking for wine recs. in the under US$4/btl @
    restaurant prices. If you want cheap, then do it. Otherwise, maybe you can
    share a list of *drinkable* wines that do pair with sushi.


    Check your "newsgroups" carefully. Apparently this was xposted mid
    thread - so blame the person in your group who though it would be good
    idea. I'm not changing my opinion, no matter how much money you're
    willing to waste.

    --

    Ham and eggs.
    A day's work for the chicken, a lifetime commitment for the pig.

  13. (Hunt) said:

    Not sure about the "inexpensive" part. We turn Nobu (not THAT Nobu) loose with
    his omakase menu and the fare is usually US$250+ for food for two, and the
    wine tab is closer to US$300, but the time we're done.

    If I wanted to go cheap, I'd skip the wine and just do water, but then wine is
    part of all of my meals.

    Sorry if my suggestions offended you.


    I am not offended, I am simply agast that you're so ingornat about
    food.

    --

    Ham and eggs.
    A day's work for the chicken, a lifetime commitment for the pig.

  14. Hunt said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, sf says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On 5 Sep 2007 02:52:41 GMT, [email hidden] (Hunt) wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'd also quickly consider a Brut Rosé.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Brute Rosé? You mean Iron Horse? It retails for $50 at the source.
    No thanks. Sushi is supposed to be an inexpensive meal. A $50 wine
    would be twice what the total for 2 of us is for food.

    Unfortunately I have trouble finding a good Champagne these days
    for less than $50 to $70, particularly a Rosé. And I have trouble
    finding a sparkling wine I like that isn't a Champagne.

    It is a good pairing with sushi, in my opinion. However it
    had better be above-average sushi if its going to share my
    attention with a nice Champagne. In the current market, most
    sushi is probably not of the quality level I'd like for something
    like that.

    Steve

  15. Steve Pope said:

    Unfortunately I have trouble finding a good Champagne these days
    for less than $50 to $70, particularly a Rosé. And I have trouble
    finding a sparkling wine I like that isn't a Champagne.

    Steve,
    I don't know what your tastes are in Champagne, but two "value"
    producers for my tastes are Jacquesson and Pierre Peters. So far as I'm
    aware, neither does a Rosé, though. If you provide a few names of
    producers you like (regardless of price) that might assist a few afw
    denizens in coming up with lower priced alternatives.

    Mark Lipton

    --
    alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com

  16. In article <[email hidden]>, sf says...

    Quoted message said:


    (Hunt) said:

    Not sure about the "inexpensive" part. We turn Nobu (not THAT Nobu) loose


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    his omakase menu and the fare is usually US$250+ for food for two, and the
    wine tab is closer to US$300, but the time we're done.

    If I wanted to go cheap, I'd skip the wine and just do water, but then wine


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    part of all of my meals.

    Sorry if my suggestions offended you.


    I am not offended, I am simply agast that you're so ingornat about
    food.

    Thanks for your enlightenment, re food. I'm certain that you are a font of
    knowledge - especially based on your comments so far.

    Hunt

  17. (Hunt) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, sf says...

    Quoted message said:

    On 6 Sep 2007 03:59:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Hunt) wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Not sure about the "inexpensive" part. We turn Nobu (not THAT Nobu) loose


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    his omakase menu and the fare is usually US$250+ for food for two, and the
    wine tab is closer to US$300, but the time we're done.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If I wanted to go cheap, I'd skip the wine and just do water, but then wine


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    part of all of my meals.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sorry if my suggestions offended you.

    Quoted message said:

    I am not offended, I am simply agast that you're so ingornat about
    food.

    Thanks for your enlightenment, re food. I'm certain that you are a font of
    knowledge - especially based on your comments so far.

    An "ingornat" "font of knowledge."

    Quoted message said:


    Hunt

    --Bryan

  18. Bobo Bonobo® said:

    An "ingornat" "font of knowledge."

    .... who is also "agast." A master of irony, it would seem.

    Mark Lipton

    --
    alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com

  19. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:
    Bobo Bonobo® said:

    An "ingornat" "font of knowledge."

    ... who is also "agast." A master of irony, it would seem.


    I see you've experienced your baptism in soc.culture.japan, which is a
    veritable font of irony. ;-)

    Verno

  20. A little late but why don't you sushi fiolks take this over
    to the sushi newsgroup?

    "Potblak" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Wasabi is good old bloody hot Japanese or Asian horseradish.
    Australia exports heaps of it to Japan.
    Don't ya just love it?
    "RichD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Where does wasabi come from?

    What is the ginger for?

    What are recommended wines with sushi?

    --
    Rich

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