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Beav said:

Erika.

If you're testing and recording the results, what's being done WITH the results if you've been
instructed "not to experiment"? Seems to me that testing is done so you can find out exactly what
you CAN eat without a major impact on your BG and what you should avoid. Not experimenting means
that your BG will be the same today as it was yesterday, which doesn't exactly set me on fire.

I test my self every

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other day so every seccond week I test my self four days instead.

And you're doing "what" to lower your BG/s?

Beav

What I meant was that I am not to experiment on my non measurment days but to stick to the info I
have been giving about eating 30/30/30, heavy on fibre and low on fat and quick carbs.

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

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K'neH'a'Iw said:

I think I'd ask why if testing 7 times a day every other day is good, why wouldn't you test 7
time every day?

I'd be really interested in the answer.

I have been ordered by the diabetes nurse to do it seven times day on specific times. (fasting,
after breakfast, before lunch, an hour and a half after lunch, before dinner, an hour and a half
after dinner and at ten o´clock at night) By doing it every other day it doesn´t always fall on
the same day of the week.

But we need to be testing ON every day of the week. If we don't, we have days when we don't know
what our BG's are and that's not a good thing, particularly when the complications we're at risk
from don't have days off.

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I am sure she know what she is doing, she has been working with these things for 20 years and a
doctor is connected to the diabetes team as well.

She may very well have been "working with", but she isn't "living with". That's a MASSIVE
difference.

Erika, I get the impression that you're not open to suggestions/idea's being put forwards here,
preferring to take on board everything your home team decided FOR you. Am I wrong in thinking that?

Beav

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Beav said:

Erika.

If you're testing and recording the results, what's being done WITH the results if you've been
instructed "not to experiment"? Seems to me that testing is done so you can find out exactly what
you CAN eat without a

major

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impact on your BG and what you should avoid. Not experimenting means that your BG will be the
same today as it was yesterday, which doesn't exactly set me on fire.

I test my self every

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other day so every seccond week I test my self four days instead.

And you're doing "what" to lower your BG/s?

Beav

What I meant was that I am not to experiment on my non measurment days but to stick to the info I
have been giving about eating 30/30/30, heavy on fibre and low on fat and quick carbs.

I understand that, (I don't understand these "no testing days" though), but I was wondering what
actions you're taking when the meter results aren't what you'd like them to be when you DO test.

Beav

Beav said:

Erika, I get the impression that you're not open to suggestions/idea's being put forwards here,
preferring to take on board everything your home team decided FOR you. Am I wrong in thinking that?

Beav

Yes, I feel I have learnt a lot from people here already. I am however afraid of not doing as I am
told by my diabetes team because of my pregnancy.

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

Beav said:

I understand that, (I don't understand these "no testing days" though), but I was wondering what
actions you're taking when the meter results aren't what you'd like them to be when you DO test.

Beav

Then I am supposed to take amental note of what I ate, analyze that and not eat that combination
again I suppose.

/Erika /Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

Erika said:

Yes, I feel I have learnt a lot from people here already. I am however afraid of not doing as I am
told by my diabetes team because of my pregnancy.

This part of this thread was about testing. Testing more than you are asked to is not going to hurt
you. It may cost someone a little more.

I don't think anyone is telling you to not follow the advise of your diabetes team. We are saying
you should not follow their advice blindly. I think they owe you an explanation of why they are
asking you to do these things.

Being a naturally unruly American I do not generally that any advise from anyone without
understanding it. The more they try to use their education and experience to intimidate me, instead
of explaining and educating me the more resistant I become.

It's your body and whatever their expertise and intentions you are going to have to live with the
results of their treatment.

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Beav said:

Erika, I get the impression that you're not open to suggestions/idea's

being

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put forwards here, preferring to take on board everything your home team decided FOR you. Am I
wrong in thinking that?

Beav

Yes, I feel I have learnt a lot from people here already. I am however afraid of not doing as I am
told by my diabetes team because of my pregnancy.

I can understand that, but as I see things, the MAIN thing you should be "concerened" about is your
BG levels. They NEED to be kept within a very tight range if you want to carry your baby for the
full term and have a normal delivery. Babies of diabetics are well known for being BIG babies and
they're big because the grow very well on a sugary diet. it's therefore REALLY in your best
interests to know what your BG's are, more than it is for us "normal" diabetics.

I understand the Swedish system is different from the system over here in the UK, but testing
heavily on one day and not testing at all on the next seems to me to be a recipe for disaster. maybe
HALF the testing on "testing days" and use the other half of the test strips on the "non testing"
days, but do it without telling your diabetic team or midwife. At least that way you'll have a more
"spread out" idea of where your BG is at anytime during any day.

Beav

Erika said:

Beav said:

I understand that, (I don't understand these "no testing days" though), but I was wondering what
actions you're taking when the meter results aren't what you'd like them to be when you DO test.

Beav

Then I am supposed to take amental note of what I ate, analyze that and not eat that combination
again I suppose.

/Erika /Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

There is some logic to that. In fact, it's what I recommended to an American who couldn't afford ten-a-
day testing. Once you know what quantity of corn-flakes you can have for breakfast (in my case zero)
and I have confirmed it a couple of times, there isn't really a need to test that again.

It is probably a way for the government to keep the costs down while allowing fairly intensive
testing for a full day at a time. It's certainly better than the standard "fasting and before
dinner" advised by GPs over here.

If you can discover a safe and varied diet on the days you are testing then repeat that on the days
you are not. But don't do it mentally, record it in writing or on a spreadsheet. You'll get a few
surprises when you read back over it.

And you will still need to continue testing after you reach control, but less frequently.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise.
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Beav said:

I understand that, (I don't understand these "no testing days" though),

but

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I was wondering what actions you're taking when the meter results aren't what you'd like them to
be when you DO test.

Beav

Then I am supposed to take amental note of what I ate, analyze that and not eat that combination
again I suppose.

Mental notes aren't accurate enough to deal with something as serious as diabetes Erika, especially
when you're pregnant. Everything should be written down so you don't have to remember a single
thing. It's the only way to guarantee you don't forget what food "did a number on you".

You should test, record, eat, record what you ate, then test again later and record THAT number. If
you multiply that "routine" by the number of times you eat, you'll soon see how difficult it's going
to get to keep on top of everything.

Beav

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Beav said:

Erika, I get the impression that you're not open to suggestions/idea's

being

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put forwards here, preferring to take on board everything your home team decided FOR you. Am I
wrong in thinking that?

Beav

Yes, I feel I have learnt a lot from people here already. I am however afraid of not doing as I
am told by my diabetes team because of my pregnancy.

I can understand that, but as I see things, the MAIN thing you should be "concerened" about is your
BG levels. They NEED to be kept within a very tight range if you want to carry your baby for the
full term and have a normal delivery. Babies of diabetics are well known for being BIG babies and
they're big because the grow very well on a sugary diet. it's therefore REALLY in your best
interests to know what your BG's are, more than it is for us "normal" diabetics.

I understand the Swedish system is different from the system over here in the UK, but testing
heavily on one day and not testing at all on the next seems to me to be a recipe for disaster.
maybe HALF the testing on "testing days" and use the other half of the test strips on the "non
testing" days, but do it without telling your diabetic team or midwife. At least that way you'll
have a more "spread out" idea of where your BG is at anytime during any day.

Beav

But you seem to assume that I eat different on the days I don´t test from the days I do test. I eat
the same way every day. Very tight and regular regime.

I spoke to my diabetes nurse friday and she is VERY happy with my BG values so I guess I am not
doing too bad.

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

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Erika said:

Yes, I feel I have learnt a lot from people here already. I am however afraid of not doing as I
am told by my diabetes team because of my pregnancy.

Did you have many problems getting pregnant in th efirst place as I have been told definately don't
get pregnant whilst taking Metformin

In article <[email hidden]>,

Erika said:

But you seem to assume that I eat different on the days I don´t test from the days I do test. I
eat the same way every day. Very tight and regular regime.

Well part of the "fun" of diabetes is that sometimes you eat exactly the same thing on two days and
have different blood sugar results! This can result from random factors, hormonal fluctuations,
impending illness.

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I spoke to my diabetes nurse friday and she is VERY happy with my BG values so I guess I am not
doing too bad.

Well that's good news!

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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 21:26:57 GMT, "Beav" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Erika, I get the impression that you're not open to suggestions/idea's

being

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>put forwards here, preferring to take on board everything your home

team

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>decided FOR you. Am I wrong in thinking that?
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>Beav
>

Yes, I feel I have learnt a lot from people here already. I am however afraid of not doing as I
am told by my diabetes team because of my pregnancy.

I can understand that, but as I see things, the MAIN thing you should be "concerened" about is
your BG levels. They NEED to be kept within a very tight range if you want to carry your baby for
the full term and have a normal delivery. Babies of diabetics are well known for being BIG babies

and

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they're big because the grow very well on a sugary diet. it's therefore REALLY in your best
interests to know what your BG's are, more than it is for us "normal" diabetics.

I understand the Swedish system is different from the system over here in the UK, but testing
heavily on one day and not testing at all on the next seems to me to be a recipe for disaster.
maybe HALF the testing on

"testing

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days" and use the other half of the test strips on the "non testing"

days,

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but do it without telling your diabetic team or midwife. At least that

way

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you'll have a more "spread out" idea of where your BG is at anytime

during

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any day.

Beav

But you seem to assume that I eat different on the days I don´t test from the days I do test. I
eat the same way every day. Very tight and regular regime.

First of all Erika, let me assure you of one thing. I assume absolutely NOTHING. I know from my own
experiences as a diabetic that no matter HOW many times you eat the same thing at the same time of
the day, your BG levels will turn around and bite you. Sometimes it happens slowly, others in almost
instantly. I too eat the same things every day and at the same times too, but my BG will vary with
little or no warning. Amongst other things, they can vary with the temperature of the outside air,
the amount of strenuous activity undertaken or NOT undertaken and your stress levels.

Given that you're also pregnent and "feeding" another soul, I think you need to realise that
diabetes isn't a "one size fits all" thing where a pill each morning (or an insulin shot) will have
you running perfectly stable BG day in day out, week in week out.

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I spoke to my diabetes nurse friday and she is VERY happy with my BG values so I guess I am not
doing too bad.

Diabetic nurses generally ARE "very happy" with someone elses BG levels, but would they be as happy
if they were their OWN BG levels? What ARE your levels btw?

Beav

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Allardyce) said:

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Erika said:

Yes, I feel I have learnt a lot from people here already. I am however afraid of not doing as I
am told by my diabetes team because of my pregnancy.

Did you have many problems getting pregnant in th efirst place as I have been told definately don't
get pregnant whilst taking Metformin

My diabetes wasn't discovered until I was 9 weeks pregnant.

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 18:35:39 -0500, Alice Faber <[email hidden]>

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In article said:

But you seem to assume that I eat different on the days I don´t test from the days I do test. I
eat the same way every day. Very tight and regular regime.

Well part of the "fun" of diabetes is that sometimes you eat exactly the same thing on two days and
have different blood sugar results! This can result from random factors, hormonal fluctuations,
impending illness.

Yes but that is something the diabetes team said I can't do much about anyway

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:26:50 GMT, "Beav"

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What ARE your
levels btw?

Beav

fasting 5.8-6.5 before meals 4.6-5.8 an hour and a half after meals around 6.5

/Erika

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Alice Faber said:

In article said:

But you seem to assume that I eat different on the days I don´t test from the days I do test. I
eat the same way every day. Very tight and regular regime.

Well part of the "fun" of diabetes is that sometimes you eat exactly the same thing on two days
and have different blood sugar results! This can result from random factors, hormonal
fluctuations, impending illness.

Yes but that is something the diabetes team said I can't do much about anyway

Well let's just see. You coould test before breakfast and based on that reading you could inject
sufficient insulin to stop you going above your target number, but if you DIDN'T test and you were
already AT your "highest point" number, then for the next few hours at least, you'd be running a far
too high BG. That missed test has now done you some damage. If you'd DONE the test, you then have a
choice. Eat your normal breakfast (or lunch/dinner/supper) and inject more insulin, eat less and
inject the usual amount, or inject the same, eat the same but do some exercising over and above your
normal level.

When I hear of diabetic specialists say things like "You can't do much about that anyway", it just
reinforces my opinion of the medical community, and my opinion is well known. Of course, if you want
to BELIEVE them when they say that there isn't much you can do to maintain a level BG, then you're
time posting here won't benefit you very much.

Beav

Beav said:

Well let's just see. You coould test before breakfast and based on that reading you could inject
sufficient insulin to stop you going above your target number, but if you DIDN'T test and you were
already AT your "highest point" number, then for the next few hours at least, you'd be running a
far too high BG. That missed test has now done you some damage. If you'd DONE the test, you then
have a choice. Eat your normal breakfast (or lunch/dinner/supper) and inject more insulin, eat less
and inject the usual amount, or inject the same, eat the same but do some exercising over and above
your normal level.

When I hear of diabetic specialists say things like "You can't do much about that anyway", it just
reinforces my opinion of the medical community, and my opinion is well known. Of course, if you
want to BELIEVE them when they say that there isn't much you can do to maintain a level BG, then
you're time posting here won't benefit you very much.

Beav

But I am not on insuline

/Erika

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But I am not on insuline

Neither am I, but I know if I test high before eating, I can't eat as many carbs as I normally do.

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