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low blood pressure and heart attack

Val189 · 2004-01-18T01:06:51+00:00

I recently attended a lecture during which the speaker stated in no uncertain terms that people with low blood pressure never have heart attacks. If this is so, then what about the other risk factors e.g. high cholesterol. Can the low blood pressure override all else or is this a simplificaton of current knowledge? I am on 20 mg. Zocor and have low bp - usual readings, 90/60. Thanks, valerie

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Val189
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18 January 2004, 01:06 UTC #1

I recently attended a lecture during which the speaker stated in no uncertain terms that people with
low blood pressure never have heart attacks. If this is so, then what about the other risk factors
e.g. high cholesterol. Can the low blood pressure override all else or is this a simplificaton of
current knowledge?
I am on 20 mg. Zocor and have low bp - usual readings, 90/60.
Thanks, valerie

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Dr. Andrew B. C
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18 January 2004, 01:06 UTC #2

val189 said:
I recently attended a lecture during which the speaker stated in no uncertain terms that people
with low blood pressure never have heart attacks. If this is so, then what about the other risk
factors e.g. high cholesterol. Can the low blood pressure override all else or is this a
simplificaton of current knowledge?
The latter.
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I am on 20 mg. Zocor and have low bp - usual readings, 90/60.
What is your lipid profile on Zocor?
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Thanks, valerie
You are welcome :-)
Humbly,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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Val189
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18 January 2004, 21:03 UTC #3

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote
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What is your lipid profile on Zocor?
total chol 157 ldl 89 hdl 44 chol/hdl 3.57 ldl/hdl 2.02 triglic. 119 (fasting)
prior to zocor (began Nov. 2001) chol. 240 ldl 177 hdl 47 chol/hdl 5.1
thanks for your interest

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Dr. Andrew B. C
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18 January 2004, 23:04 UTC #4

val189 said:
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote
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What is your lipid profile on Zocor?
total chol 157
Good.
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ldl 89
Good.
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hdl 44
Not so good.
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chol/hdl 3.57
Not so good.
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ldl/hdl 2.02 triglic. 119 (fasting)
Ok.
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prior to zocor (began Nov. 2001) chol. 240
Not good.
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ldl 177
Not good.
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hdl 47
Ok.
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chol/hdl 5.1
Not good.
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thanks for your interest
You are welcome.
Would suggest you exercise more regularly and avoid trans fats in order to get your HDL up.
And of course, if you are heavier than ideal (BMI=20), you may be overweight and might benefit from
asking your doctor about the 2PD approach:
heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp
Humbly,
Andrew
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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Val189
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19 January 2004, 22:07 UTC #5

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Would suggest you exercise more regularly and avoid trans fats in order to get your HDL up.
I go to a gym 4-5 times week, and do resistance and cardio. My BMI is
20.1.I try to limit all fats but will watch this even more religiously. Mets around 6.6. Should I
try to just increase duration or mets or both? More cardio and less resistance? I have a
limited amount of hours I can spend there and want to do it wisely.

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Dr. Andrew B. C
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20 January 2004, 04:11 UTC #6

val189 said:
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Would suggest you exercise more regularly and avoid trans fats in order to get your HDL up.
I go to a gym 4-5 times week, and do resistance and cardio.
The latter will do more to raise HDL than the former. Daily would be better than 4-5 times/week.
Right before the biggest meal of the day has more efficacy than any other time of the day.
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My BMI is
20.1.
Good.
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I try to limit all fats but will watch this even more religiously.
Ok.
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Mets around 6.6. Should I try to just increase duration or mets or both?
Increasing frequency and optimal timing should help more.
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More cardio and less resistance?
Ime, more effective for raising HDL.
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I have a limited amount of hours I can spend there and want to do it wisely.
Understandable.
Humbly,
Andrew
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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Jim Chinnis
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20 January 2004, 04:11 UTC #7

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I try to limit all fats but will watch this even more religiously.
You may not be getting enough. Try increasing omega-3 fats (such as fish or fish oil) and
monounsaturates such as olive oil and almonds. It appears to increase HDL for many, and did for me.
Continue to restrict most other fats.
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Mets around 6.6. Should I try to just increase duration or mets or both?
Mets sound a bit low.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

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Ear Rings
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20 January 2004, 04:11 UTC #8

Try some of the Weider principles. namely body confusion. Try to vary your workouts as your body
adapts to whatever your throw at it in time. Confuse the thing for better results .
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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Would suggest you exercise more regularly and avoid trans fats in order to get your HDL up.
I go to a gym 4-5 times week, and do resistance and cardio. My BMI is
20.1.I try to limit all fats but will watch this even more religiously. Mets around 6.6. Should I
try to just increase duration or mets or both? More cardio and less resistance? I have a
limited amount of hours I can spend there and want to do it wisely.

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Mucho M_uns
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21 January 2004, 02:07 UTC #9

Ear Rings said:
Try some of the Weider principles. namely body confusion. Try to vary your workouts as your body
adapts to whatever your throw at it in time. Confuse the thing for better results .
Please explain these "Weider" principles". I am very interested in strength training protocols.
moonglow.netindex.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

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Ear Rings
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21 January 2004, 05:54 UTC #10

I believe there are ten developed for body building. One of them is "Body confusion" and this
applies to iron pumping as well as dieting and many other aspects of health or your body.
I have never looked,but a google search for Weider principles or body confusion should net you
something.
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Ear Rings said:
Try some of the Weider principles. namely body confusion. Try to vary

your
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workouts as your body adapts to whatever your throw at it in time.

Confuse
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the thing for better results .
Please explain these "Weider" principles". I am very interested in strength training protocols.
moonglow.netindex.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

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Largest Mu_n
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21 January 2004, 22:25 UTC #11

Ear Rings said:
I believe there are ten developed for body building. One of them is "Body confusion" and this
applies to iron pumping as well as dieting and many other aspects of health or your body.
What would be your credentials to assess these hypertrophy and neuromuscular development protocols?
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I have never looked,but a google search for Weider principles or body confusion should net you
something.
Yes it did. A bunch of [censored].
antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

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Ear Rings
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22 January 2004, 07:48 UTC #12

Who are you to ask?
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Ear Rings said:
I believe there are ten developed for body building. One of them is

"Body
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confusion" and this applies to iron pumping as well as dieting and many other aspects of health
or your body.
What would be your credentials to assess these hypertrophy and neuromuscular development
protocols?
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I have never looked,but a google search for Weider principles or body confusion should net you
something.
Yes it did. A bunch of [censored].
antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

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Largest Mu_n
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22 January 2004, 07:48 UTC #13

Someone, who if you had a clue would know, that has been in the advanced training of athletes for
over eight years, you mindless felon.
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Who are you to ask?
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Ear Rings said:
I believe there are ten developed for body building. One of them is

"Body
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
confusion" and this applies to iron pumping as well as dieting and many other aspects of health
or your body.
What would be your credentials to assess these hypertrophy and neuromuscular development
protocols?
Quoted message said:
I have never looked,but a google search for Weider principles or body confusion should net you
something.
Yes it did. A bunch of [censored].
antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

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Ear Rings
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22 January 2004, 07:48 UTC #14

Who really cares, you have never posted anything intelligent anyway even if you are the president of
our wonderful country.
Go tell your mother she wants you plank.
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Someone, who if you had a clue would know, that has been in the advanced training of athletes for
over eight years, you mindless felon.
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Who are you to ask?
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:32:31 GMT, "Ear Rings" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>I believe there are ten developed for body building. One of them is

"Body
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>confusion" and this applies to iron pumping as well as dieting and

many
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Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>other aspects of health or your body.
What would be your credentials to assess these hypertrophy and neuromuscular development
protocols?
>I have never looked,but a google search for Weider principles or body confusion should net you
>something.
Yes it did. A bunch of [censored].
antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

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Bob
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22 January 2004, 12:42 UTC #15

Largest Mu_n said:
Someone, who if you had a clue would know, that has been in the advanced training of athletes for
over eight years, you mindless felon.
And how, I wonder, would anyone know? No credentials in evidence. No educational background in
evidence. No professional affiliation in evidence. No testimonials in evidence. Only claims from a
vicious liar who promotes the scientifically unsound 2PoundPOWDiet.
Looks like Ears has asked the same question that Largest M_asshole has been asked lots of times
without any answer.
As for clues, Largest M_anhole works very, very hard to make sure there aren't any.
Bob
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Who are you to ask?
"Largest Mu_n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:32:31 GMT, "Ear Rings" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>I believe there are ten developed for body building. One of them is
"Body
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>confusion" and this applies to iron pumping as well as dieting and many other aspects of health
>or your body.
What would be your credentials to assess these hypertrophy and neuromuscular development
protocols?
>I have never looked,but a google search for Weider principles or body confusion should net you
>something.
Yes it did. A bunch of [censored].
antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

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Aprilm
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23 January 2004, 02:04 UTC #16

Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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Largest Mu_n said:
Someone, who if you had a clue would know, that has been in the advanced training of athletes
for over eight years, you mindless felon.
And how, I wonder, would anyone know? No credentials in evidence. No educational background in
evidence. No professional affiliation in evidence. No testimonials in evidence. Only claims from a
vicious liar who promotes the scientifically unsound 2PoundPOWDiet.
Looks like Ears has asked the same question that Largest M_asshole has been asked lots of times
without any answer.
As for clues, Largest M_anhole works very, very hard to make sure there aren't any.
Bob
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Who are you to ask?
"Largest Mu_n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:32:31 GMT, "Ear Rings" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>I believe there are ten developed for body building. One of them is
"Body
>>confusion" and this applies to iron pumping as well as dieting and many other aspects of
>>health or your body.
>
>What would be your credentials to assess these hypertrophy and neuromuscular development
>protocols?
>
>
>>I have never looked,but a google search for Weider principles or body confusion should net you
>>something.
>
>Yes it did. A bunch of [censored].
>
>antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Will you Guys from Sci-Med-Cardiology PLEASE go home. This is a tinntius support board. Take your
quarrels elsewhere.
Aprilm1

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Ear Rings
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23 January 2004, 04:05 UTC #17

Will you stop posting on tinnitus about your rants?
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Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Largest Mu_n said:
Someone, who if you had a clue would know, that has been in the advanced training of athletes
for over eight years, you mindless felon.
And how, I wonder, would anyone know? No credentials in evidence. No educational background in
evidence. No professional affiliation in evidence. No testimonials in evidence. Only claims from
a vicious liar who promotes the scientifically unsound 2PoundPOWDiet.
Looks like Ears has asked the same question that Largest M_asshole has been asked lots of times
without any answer.
As for clues, Largest M_anhole works very, very hard to make sure there aren't any.
Bob
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:11:49 GMT, "Ear Rings" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Who are you to ask?
>
>"Largest Mu_n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>>On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:32:31 GMT, "Ear Rings" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I believe there are ten developed for body building. One of them is
>
>"Body
>
>>>confusion" and this applies to iron pumping as well as dieting and

many
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>>>other aspects of health or your body.
>>
>>What would be your credentials to assess these hypertrophy and neuromuscular development
>>protocols?
>>
>>
>>>I have never looked,but a google search for Weider principles or

body
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Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>>>confusion should net you something.
>>
>>Yes it did. A bunch of [censored].
>>
>>antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
>
antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap000620.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Will you Guys from Sci-Med-Cardiology PLEASE go home. This is a tinntius support board. Take your
quarrels elsewhere.
Aprilm1

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