rafl down under here is nice

Thanks Lee. It has to do with my height really. They
measured me at the meeting and got 5'8", but at home when I
measure I am not quite that? And it is very important to me
to have a normal BMI. Don't ask me why. So I feel very good
about the 159

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What a wonderful NSV. I was thinking about this the other
day. If I set

my

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goal at the top of the WW chart and then decided to move
it down that

would

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be further success and I would be closer to actually what
is right for me. If I set it in the middle and find that
is too difficult I might view this as a "failure" I think
it shows very strong confidence to KNOW for SURE what your
very top limit is and to take all available steps to
insure you are NOT going there, Lee Lesanne
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I don't want to go over 160 ever again, so having the WW
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a

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little too loose for me 🙂

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Free is good and where you want to be. Guess it
doesn't matter how

confusing it

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is, as long as YOU know where you are supposed to be.
And I suppose

changing that

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goal in your ww book is a double edged sword. Yes, you
could have

left

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it

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alone

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and had more room to remain free. I also wonder
though, if by keeping

it

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higher

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we play a little mind game with ourselves and maybe
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making

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it the lower number works for you, and keeps you where
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then by all

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means ... KEEP IT THERE!

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:28:26 GMT, "Lesanne"
<[email hidden]>

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>As far as the WW "book" goes I lost a half a pound.
>On my scale it

was

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a

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>maintain.... It is so messed up now even a master
>accountant

couldn't

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>figure it out. My old WW goal was 164, and now it is
>159. So I am still Free, which is what is important.
>
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>> LOL! I love you changing your goal ... give ol'
>> Fred just one more

thing

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>to shake
>> his head over. <g>
>>
>> Congrats on the loss, maintain, whatever ... you
>> are doing

fantastic

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with

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>> maintenance and that's what matters.
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
>> <[email hidden]>

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>>
>> >well even with clothes and everything, and the WW
>> >scale which is a

pound

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>> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
>> >mangos he ate, I am

under

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>Fred
>> >🙂.
>> >
>> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I changed
>> >my goal at WW to

159,

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>just
>> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
>> >365/158.8/159
>> >
>>
>

When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal" eater. I've
tried that route enough times before to know it for a fact.
Doesn't mean I don't wish it were otherwise. Doesn't mean I
don't pretend it to be otherwise sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm
not seduced on occasion by thoughts of being a "normal"
eater someday. Based on my own previous experience with
weight loss, and even recent experience, when I start
feeling a bit too confident, I'm in trouble. This has to be
a way of life for me.

That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to figure
this out for her/himself.

Linda P

Lesanne said:

I felt funny saying that, because you might not have any
problem at all, I am really relating what I am afraid will
happen to me if I cut loose. I have those same thoughts. It
"seems" like a very seductive idea, to just be "normal". I
don't believe in it any more, not for me. For you, however,
??? Only you can tell.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Thanks for the additional feedback.

Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step, if I
even take it, would be to cut that back to monthly or
maybe even every other week and see how that goes. But
for the moment, I will continue to go weekly and just
wait for another vacation or whatever to break it
occasionally.

Lesanne said:

I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
getting a lot less attention. And having those "do I
need to go to meetings" thoughts. But

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have a background of steady gains each and every time
that I leave the meetings entirely. Knowing that I am
going to weigh in each month For

Free

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I too
enjoy eating a

bit

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Quoted message said:

more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh in
and the torture it will be if I have to take off say 5
pounds for one, that keeps me under control enough days
of the week to stay under goal. If I were you

"normal"

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thin person, I would test that by going once a month for
a year or so and see how it works 🙂

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> I guess I really had not realized that you changed
> YOUR GOAL. That is a big step. I can see where it
> provides extra encouragement to keep it below 160 but
> I don't think I'm ready to do that. I hope that I can
> bounce at or below 160 without forcing the issue with
> monetary penalties (G)
>
> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations with
> myself about the weight stuff. I like being "here" but
> am having trouble with the snacking aspects and am not
> really in the mood to fully restart journaling - like
> how much gorp did I have yesterday and what's sort of
> 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half a Two
> Point bar?? I guess that mid-week, I can journal
> easier than the backcountry outdoor stuff.
>
> Then musing about meetings and whether I still should
> attend. Then, now this was interesting..... Have I
> lost a bit of interest because I am not getting as
> many comments, meaning, there is no change and no
> positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL reinforcement that
> is, including at WW where us Lifers are on our own.
> Now I'm just on my own - a "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
>
> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a solo ski
> trip..... (G)
>
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time 🙂
> >
> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman. Does
> >> anything she wants, anytime she wants, any way she
> >> wants.
> >>
> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
> >>
> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
> >> shall see
> >>
> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and the WW
> >> >scale which is a
pound
> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
> >> >mangos he ate, I am

under

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> >Fred
> >> >🙂.
> >> >
> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I changed
> >> >my goal at WW to
159,
> >just
> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
> >> >365/158.8/159
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

Oh dear, don't think I was betraying the sisterhood,
cuz I wasn't.

Fred said:

Thank you for just giving her a simple Congrats and not
caving to her shifty side thoughts and actions! (G)

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 01:01:46 -0500, Connie

walshclan@nospam_primus.ca said:

Lesanne said:

well even with clothes and everything, and the WW scale
which is a pound heavier than mine, thanks to all those
dried mangos he ate, I am under Fred
🙂.

Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I changed my goal
at WW to 159, just to give Fred something to gripe
about.)
365/158.8/159

Congrats on the good weigh in Lesanne!!

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/201/155 RAFL 210.5/201/198.5 2nd 10% 219.5/201/198

Hey, we are among friends (except on WI day (G)). No, I
appreciate your take on it.

I put "normal" in quotes since I may be a thin person now
but that does not mean NORMAL. So I guess the real
question/issue is if I can do WW for Life without attending
meetings like some of the online folks who don't go to
meetings. Again, not ready to cut the LIFEline just yet.

Hmmm, now that I think about it.... What happens of one
does not WI for a month or two or 6 as Lifetime. Can one
just attend even if WEIGHT is in the range? I guess you
have to pay for that 'first' wi after a too long break. I
guess I have my Lifetime card and maybe we are registered
in the WW-book-in-the-sky! (G)

Lesanne said:

I felt funny saying that, because you might not have any
problem at all, I am really relating what I am afraid will
happen to me if I cut loose. I have those same thoughts. It
"seems" like a very seductive idea, to just be "normal". I
don't believe in it any more, not for me. For you, however,
??? Only you can tell.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Thanks for the additional feedback.

Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step, if I
even take it, would be to cut that back to monthly or
maybe even every other week and see how that goes. But
for the moment, I will continue to go weekly and just
wait for another vacation or whatever to break it
occasionally.

Lesanne said:

I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
getting a lot less attention. And having those "do I
need to go to meetings" thoughts. But

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have a background of steady gains each and every time
that I leave the meetings entirely. Knowing that I am
going to weigh in each month For

Free

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I too
enjoy eating a

bit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh in
and the torture it will be if I have to take off say 5
pounds for one, that keeps me under control enough days
of the week to stay under goal. If I were you

"normal"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

thin person, I would test that by going once a month for
a year or so and see how it works 🙂

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> I guess I really had not realized that you changed
> YOUR GOAL. That is a big step. I can see where it
> provides extra encouragement to keep it below 160 but
> I don't think I'm ready to do that. I hope that I can
> bounce at or below 160 without forcing the issue with
> monetary penalties (G)
>
> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations with
> myself about the weight stuff. I like being "here" but
> am having trouble with the snacking aspects and am not
> really in the mood to fully restart journaling - like
> how much gorp did I have yesterday and what's sort of
> 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half a Two
> Point bar?? I guess that mid-week, I can journal
> easier than the backcountry outdoor stuff.
>
> Then musing about meetings and whether I still should
> attend. Then, now this was interesting..... Have I
> lost a bit of interest because I am not getting as
> many comments, meaning, there is no change and no
> positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL reinforcement that
> is, including at WW where us Lifers are on our own.
> Now I'm just on my own - a "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
>
> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a solo ski
> trip..... (G)
>
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time 🙂
> >
> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman. Does
> >> anything she wants, anytime she wants, any way she
> >> wants.
> >>
> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
> >>
> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
> >> shall see
> >>
> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and the WW
> >> >scale which is a
pound
> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
> >> >mangos he ate, I am

under

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >Fred
> >> >🙂.
> >> >
> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I changed
> >> >my goal at WW to
159,
> >just
> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
> >> >365/158.8/159
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the eating
goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my snacking
penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It was more
the meetings.

Prairie Roots said:

When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal" eater.
I've tried that route enough times before to know it for a
fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it were otherwise. Doesn't
mean I don't pretend it to be otherwise sometimes. Doesn't
mean I'm not seduced on occasion by thoughts of being a
"normal" eater someday. Based on my own previous experience
with weight loss, and even recent experience, when I start
feeling a bit too confident, I'm in trouble. This has to be
a way of life for me.

That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to figure
this out for her/himself.

Linda P

Lesanne said:

I felt funny saying that, because you might not have any
problem at all, I am really relating what I am afraid will
happen to me if I cut loose. I have those same thoughts.
It "seems" like a very seductive idea, to just be
"normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for me. For
you, however, ??? Only you can tell.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Thanks for the additional feedback.

Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step, if
I even take it, would be to cut that back to monthly or
maybe even every other week and see how that goes. But
for the moment, I will continue to go weekly and just
wait for another vacation or whatever to break it
occasionally.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
>getting a lot less attention. And having those "do I
>need to go to meetings" thoughts. But

I

Quoted message said:

>have a background of steady gains each and every time
>that I leave the meetings entirely. Knowing that I am
>going to weigh in each month For

Free

Quoted message said:

>is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I too
>enjoy eating a

bit

Quoted message said:

>more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh in
>and the torture it will be if I have to take off say 5
>pounds for one, that keeps me under control enough days
>of the week to stay under goal. If I were you

"normal"

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>thin person, I would test that by going once a month
>for a year or so and see how it works 🙂
>
>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>"]news:[email hidden]...
>> I guess I really had not realized that you changed
>> YOUR GOAL. That is a big step. I can see where it
>> provides extra encouragement to keep it below 160 but
>> I don't think I'm ready to do that. I hope that I can
>> bounce at or below 160 without forcing the issue with
>> monetary penalties (G)
>>
>> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations with
>> myself about the weight stuff. I like being "here"
>> but am having trouble with the snacking aspects and
>> am not really in the mood to fully restart journaling
>> - like how much gorp did I have yesterday and what's
>> sort of 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half a
>> Two Point bar?? I guess that mid-week, I can journal
>> easier than the backcountry outdoor stuff.
>>
>> Then musing about meetings and whether I still should
>> attend. Then, now this was interesting..... Have I
>> lost a bit of interest because I am not getting as
>> many comments, meaning, there is no change and no
>> positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL reinforcement that
>> is, including at WW where us Lifers are on our own.
>> Now I'm just on my own - a "normal" thin
>> person!!!!!!!
>>
>> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a solo
>> ski trip..... (G)
>>
>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time 🙂
>> >
>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman.
>> >> Does anything she wants, anytime she wants, any
>> >> way she wants.
>> >>
>> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
>> >>
>> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
>> >> shall see
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
>> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and the WW
>> >> >scale which is a
>pound
>> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
>> >> >mangos he ate, I am

under

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>> >Fred
>> >> >🙂.
>> >> >
>> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I changed
>> >> >my goal at WW to
>159,
>> >just
>> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
>> >> >365/158.8/159
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

Fred, wouldn't it be great if we could take a 'no-snack'
pill? That's my biggest downfall - I love snacks.

--
Donna in Idaho Project Linus Boise/SW Idaho Coordinator
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"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the eating
goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my snacking
penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It was more the
meetings.

Prairie Roots said:

When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal" eater.
I've tried that route enough times before to know it for
a fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it were otherwise.
Doesn't mean I don't pretend it to be otherwise
sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm not seduced on occasion by
thoughts of being a "normal" eater someday. Based on my
own previous experience with weight loss, and even recent
experience, when I start feeling a bit too confident, I'm
in trouble. This has to be a way of life for me.

That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to
figure this out for her/himself.

Linda P

Lesanne said:

I felt funny saying that, because you might not have any
problem at all,

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

am really relating what I am afraid will happen to me if
I cut loose. I have those same thoughts. It "seems" like
a very seductive idea, to

just be

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Quoted message said:

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"normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for me.
For you,

however,

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??? Only you can tell.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> Thanks for the additional feedback.
>
> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step,
> if I even take it, would be to cut that back to
> monthly or maybe even every other week and see how
> that goes. But for the moment, I will continue to go
> weekly and just wait for another vacation or whatever
> to break it occasionally.
>
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
> >getting a lot

less

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> >attention. And having those "do I need to go to
> >meetings" thoughts.

But

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I
> >have a background of steady gains each and every time
> >that I leave

the

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> >meetings entirely. Knowing that I am going to weigh
> >in each month

For

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Free
> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I too
> >enjoy eating

a

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bit
> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh
> >in and the

torture it

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> >will be if I have to take off say 5 pounds for one,
> >that keeps me

under

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> >control enough days of the week to stay under goal.
> >If I were you
"normal"
> >thin person, I would test that by going once a month
> >for a year or so

and

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> >see how it works 🙂
> >
> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> I guess I really had not realized that you changed
> >> YOUR GOAL. That

is

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> >> a big step. I can see where it provides extra
> >> encouragement to

keep

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> >> it below 160 but I don't think I'm ready to do
> >> that. I hope that I can bounce at or below 160
> >> without forcing the issue with monetary penalties
> >> (G)
> >>
> >> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations
> >> with myself about

the

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> >> weight stuff. I like being "here" but am having
> >> trouble with the snacking aspects and am not really
> >> in the mood to fully restart journaling - like how
> >> much gorp did I have yesterday and what's

sort

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> >> of 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half a
> >> Two Point bar?? I guess that mid-week, I can
> >> journal easier than the backcountry

outdoor

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> >> stuff.
> >>
> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
> >> should attend.

Then,

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> >> now this was interesting..... Have I lost a bit of
> >> interest

because I

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> >> am not getting as many comments, meaning, there is
> >> no change and no positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL
> >> reinforcement that is, including

at

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> >> WW where us Lifers are on our own. Now I'm just on
> >> my own - a "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
> >>
> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a solo
> >> ski trip.....

(G)

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> >>
> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time 🙂
> >> >
> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >> >message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh62q7djhac@4-
> >> >ax.com...
> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman.
> >> >> Does anything

she

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> >> >> wants, anytime she wants, any way she wants.
> >> >>
> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
> >> >>
> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
> >> >> shall see
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and the
> >> >> >WW scale which

is a

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> >pound
> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
> >> >> >mangos he ate, I

am

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under
> >> >Fred
> >> >> >🙂.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I
> >> >> >changed my goal at WW

to

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> >159,
> >> >just
> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
> >> >> >365/158.8/159
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

Might be nice but alas, there are no pills, just yet, that
allow quick weightloss or terminate snacking

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 03:37:37 GMT, "Donna in Idaho \(remove

invalid\) said:

Fred, wouldn't it be great if we could take a 'no-snack'
pill? That's my biggest downfall - I love snacks.

Yeah, I want to know what happens if one has their weight
down, but has missed some months. That is a good question. I
am going to ask my leader..

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey, we are among friends (except on WI day (G)). No, I
appreciate your take on it.

I put "normal" in quotes since I may be a thin person now
but that does not mean NORMAL. So I guess the real
question/issue is if I can do WW for Life without
attending meetings like some of the online folks who
don't go to meetings. Again, not ready to cut the
LIFEline just yet.

Hmmm, now that I think about it.... What happens of one
does not WI for a month or two or 6 as Lifetime. Can one
just attend even if WEIGHT is in the range? I guess you
have to pay for that 'first' wi after a too long break. I
guess I have my Lifetime card and maybe we are registered
in the WW-book-in-the-sky! (G)

Lesanne said:

I felt funny saying that, because you might not have any
problem at all,

I

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am really relating what I am afraid will happen to me if
I cut loose. I have those same thoughts. It "seems" like
a very seductive idea, to just

be

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"normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for me. For
you, however, ??? Only you can tell.

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Thanks for the additional feedback.

Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step, if
I even take it, would be to cut that back to monthly or
maybe even every other week and see how that goes. But
for the moment, I will continue to go weekly and just
wait for another vacation or whatever to break it
occasionally.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
>getting a lot less attention. And having those "do I
>need to go to meetings" thoughts.

But

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I

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>have a background of steady gains each and every time
>that I leave the meetings entirely. Knowing that I am
>going to weigh in each month For

Free

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>is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I too
>enjoy eating a

bit

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>more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh in
>and the torture

it

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>will be if I have to take off say 5 pounds for one,
>that keeps me

under

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>I were you

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>for a year or so

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>
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>> I guess I really had not realized that you changed
>> YOUR GOAL. That

is

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>> a big step. I can see where it provides extra
>> encouragement to keep it below 160 but I don't think
>> I'm ready to do that. I hope that I can bounce at or
>> below 160 without forcing the issue with monetary
>> penalties (G)
>>
>> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations with
>> myself about

the

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>> weight stuff. I like being "here" but am having
>> trouble with the snacking aspects and am not really
>> in the mood to fully restart journaling - like how
>> much gorp did I have yesterday and what's sort of
>> 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half a Two
>> Point bar?? I guess that mid-week, I can journal
>> easier than the backcountry

outdoor

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>> stuff.
>>
>> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
>> should attend. Then, now this was interesting.....
>> Have I lost a bit of interest because

I

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>> am not getting as many comments, meaning, there is
>> no change and no positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL
>> reinforcement that is, including at WW where us
>> Lifers are on our own. Now I'm just on my own - a
>> "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
>>
>> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a solo
>> ski trip..... (G)
>>
>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time 🙂
>> >
>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman.
>> >> Does anything she wants, anytime she wants, any
>> >> way she wants.
>> >>
>> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
>> >>
>> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
>> >> shall see
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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>> >>
>> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and the
>> >> >WW scale which is

a

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>> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
>> >> >mangos he ate, I am

under

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>> >> >🙂.
>> >> >
>> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I changed
>> >> >my goal at WW

to

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>> >just
>> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
>> >> >365/158.8/159
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

Here at least you have to pay the lifetimer's fee for the
first meeting back after some missed months. I'm still
weighing in at least twice a month, so I haven't ever tested
this though.

--
Julie.
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"Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yeah, I want to know what happens if one has their weight
down, but has missed some months. That is a good question.
I am going to ask my

leader..

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Hey, we are among friends (except on WI day (G)). No, I
appreciate your take on it.

I put "normal" in quotes since I may be a thin person
now but that does not mean NORMAL. So I guess the real
question/issue is if I can do WW for Life without
attending meetings like some of the online folks who
don't go to meetings. Again, not ready to cut the
LIFEline just yet.

Hmmm, now that I think about it.... What happens of one
does not WI for a month or two or 6 as Lifetime. Can one
just attend even if WEIGHT is in the range? I guess you
have to pay for that 'first' wi after a too long break.
I guess I have my Lifetime card and maybe we are
registered in the WW-book-in-the-sky! (G)

Lesanne said:

I felt funny saying that, because you might not have
any problem at

all,

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I

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am really relating what I am afraid will happen to me
if I cut loose.

I

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have those same thoughts. It "seems" like a very
seductive idea, to

just

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be

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"normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for me.
For you,

however,

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??? Only you can tell.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the additional feedback.
>
> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step,
> if I even take it, would be to cut that back to
> monthly or maybe even every other week and see how
> that goes. But for the moment, I will continue to

go

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> weekly and just wait for another vacation or whatever
> to break it occasionally.
>
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
> >getting a lot

less

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> >attention. And having those "do I need to go to
> >meetings" thoughts.

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> >have a background of steady gains each and every
> >time that I leave

the

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> >in each month

For

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Free
> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I
> >too enjoy eating

a

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bit
> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh
> >in and the

torture

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it

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> >will be if I have to take off say 5 pounds for one,
> >that keeps me

under

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> >control enough days of the week to stay under goal.
> >If I were you
"normal"
> >thin person, I would test that by going once a month
> >for a year or

so

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and

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> >see how it works 🙂
> >
> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> I guess I really had not realized that you changed
> >> YOUR GOAL.

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is

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> >> a big step. I can see where it provides extra
> >> encouragement to

keep

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> >> it below 160 but I don't think I'm ready to do
> >> that. I hope that

I

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> >> can bounce at or below 160 without forcing the
> >> issue with monetary penalties (G)
> >>
> >> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations
> >> with myself about

the

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> >> weight stuff. I like being "here" but am having
> >> trouble with the snacking aspects and am not
> >> really in the mood to fully restart journaling -
> >> like how much gorp did I have yesterday and what's

sort

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> >> of 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half a
> >> Two Point bar??

I

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> >> guess that mid-week, I can journal easier than the
> >> backcountry

outdoor

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> >> stuff.
> >>
> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
> >> should attend.

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> >> now this was interesting..... Have I lost a bit of
> >> interest

because

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I

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> >> am not getting as many comments, meaning, there is
> >> no change and

no

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> >> positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL reinforcement
> >> that is, including

at

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> >> WW where us Lifers are on our own. Now I'm just on
> >> my own - a "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
> >>
> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a solo
> >> ski trip.....

(G)

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> >>
> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time 🙂
> >> >
> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >> >message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh62q7djhac@-
> >> >4ax.com...
> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman.
> >> >> Does anything

she

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> >> >> wants, anytime she wants, any way she wants.
> >> >>
> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
> >> >>
> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
> >> >> shall see
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and the
> >> >> >WW scale which

is

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> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
> >> >> >mangos he ate, I

am

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> >> >Fred
> >> >> >🙂.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I
> >> >> >changed my goal at

WW

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> >159,
> >> >just
> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
> >> >> >365/158.8/159
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

Yeah, the meetings. I don't go at all, so I know, for me at
least, the way of life can be sustained without them.

Fred said:

Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the eating
goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my snacking
penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It was more the
meetings.

Prairie Roots said:

When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal" eater.
I've tried that route enough times before to know it for a
fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it were otherwise. Doesn't
mean I don't pretend it to be otherwise sometimes. Doesn't
mean I'm not seduced on occasion by thoughts of being a
"normal" eater someday. Based on my own previous
experience with weight loss, and even recent experience,
when I start feeling a bit too confident, I'm in trouble.
This has to be a way of life for me.

That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to figure
this out for her/himself.

Linda P

Lesanne said:

I felt funny saying that, because you might not have any
problem at all, I am really relating what I am afraid
will happen to me if I cut loose. I have those same
thoughts. It "seems" like a very seductive idea, to just
be "normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for me.
For you, however, ??? Only you can tell.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> Thanks for the additional feedback.
>
> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step, if
> I even take it, would be to cut that back to monthly or
> maybe even every other week and see how that goes. But
> for the moment, I will continue to go weekly and just
> wait for another vacation or whatever to break it
> occasionally.
>
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
> >getting a lot less attention. And having those "do I
> >need to go to meetings" thoughts. But
I
> >have a background of steady gains each and every time
> >that I leave the meetings entirely. Knowing that I am
> >going to weigh in each month For
Free
> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I too
> >enjoy eating a
bit
> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh in
> >and the torture it will be if I have to take off say 5
> >pounds for one, that keeps me under control enough
> >days of the week to stay under goal. If I were you
"normal"
> >thin person, I would test that by going once a month
> >for a year or so and see how it works 🙂
> >
> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> I guess I really had not realized that you changed
> >> YOUR GOAL. That is a big step. I can see where it
> >> provides extra encouragement to keep it below 160
> >> but I don't think I'm ready to do that. I hope that
> >> I can bounce at or below 160 without forcing the
> >> issue with monetary penalties (G)
> >>
> >> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations with
> >> myself about the weight stuff. I like being "here"
> >> but am having trouble with the snacking aspects and
> >> am not really in the mood to fully restart
> >> journaling - like how much gorp did I have yesterday
> >> and what's sort of 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and
> >> almost half a Two Point bar?? I guess that mid-week,
> >> I can journal easier than the backcountry outdoor
> >> stuff.
> >>
> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
> >> should attend. Then, now this was interesting.....
> >> Have I lost a bit of interest because I am not
> >> getting as many comments, meaning, there is no
> >> change and no positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL
> >> reinforcement that is, including at WW where us
> >> Lifers are on our own. Now I'm just on my own - a
> >> "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
> >>
> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a solo
> >> ski trip..... (G)
> >>
> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time 🙂
> >> >
> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman.
> >> >> Does anything she wants, anytime she wants, any
> >> >> way she wants.
> >> >>
> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
> >> >>
> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
> >> >> shall see
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and the
> >> >> >WW scale which is a
> >pound
> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
> >> >> >mangos he ate, I am
under
> >> >Fred
> >> >> >🙂.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I changed
> >> >> >my goal at WW to
> >159,
> >> >just
> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
> >> >> >365/158.8/159
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

SEE everyone is different. I literally tried hundreds of
times and never was able to do jack without the meetings. As
soon as I make myself go, I lose. That was why I made that
Rule for myself this last time. Go Forever, and get to goal
so it's free......

"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Yeah, the meetings. I don't go at all, so I know, for me
at least, the way of life can be sustained without them.

Fred said:

Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the eating
goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my snacking
penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It was more the
meetings.

Prairie Roots said:

When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal" eater.
I've tried that route enough times before to know it for
a fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it were otherwise.
Doesn't mean I don't pretend it to be otherwise
sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm not seduced on occasion by
thoughts of being a "normal" eater someday. Based on my
own previous experience with weight loss, and even
recent experience, when I start feeling a bit too
confident, I'm in trouble. This has to be a way of life
for me.

That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to
figure this out for her/himself.

Linda P

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:08:02 GMT, "Lesanne"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>I felt funny saying that, because you might not have
>any problem at

all, I

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>am really relating what I am afraid will happen to me
>if I cut loose.

I

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>have those same thoughts. It "seems" like a very
>seductive idea, to

just be

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>"normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for me.
>For you,

however,

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>??? Only you can tell.
>
>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>"]news:[email hidden]...
>> Thanks for the additional feedback.
>>
>> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step,
>> if I even take it, would be to cut that back to
>> monthly or maybe even every other week and see how
>> that goes. But for the moment, I will continue to

go

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>> weekly and just wait for another vacation or whatever
>> to break it occasionally.
>>
>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
>> >getting a lot

less

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>> >attention. And having those "do I need to go to
>> >meetings" thoughts.

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>I
>> >have a background of steady gains each and every
>> >time that I leave

the

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>> >meetings entirely. Knowing that I am going to weigh
>> >in each month

For

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>Free
>> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I
>> >too enjoy eating

a

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>bit
>> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh
>> >in and the

torture it

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>> >will be if I have to take off say 5 pounds for one,
>> >that keeps me

under

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>> >control enough days of the week to stay under goal.
>> >If I were you
>"normal"
>> >thin person, I would test that by going once a month
>> >for a year or

so and

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>> >see how it works 🙂
>> >
>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>> >> I guess I really had not realized that you changed
>> >> YOUR GOAL.

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>> >> a big step. I can see where it provides extra
>> >> encouragement to

keep

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>> >> it below 160 but I don't think I'm ready to do
>> >> that. I hope that

I

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>> >> can bounce at or below 160 without forcing the
>> >> issue with monetary penalties (G)
>> >>
>> >> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations
>> >> with myself about

the

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>> >> weight stuff. I like being "here" but am having
>> >> trouble with the snacking aspects and am not
>> >> really in the mood to fully restart journaling -
>> >> like how much gorp did I have yesterday and what's

sort

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>> >> of 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half a
>> >> Two Point bar??

I

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>> >> guess that mid-week, I can journal easier than the
>> >> backcountry

outdoor

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>> >> stuff.
>> >>
>> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
>> >> should attend.

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>> >> now this was interesting..... Have I lost a bit of
>> >> interest

because I

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>> >> no change and

no

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>> >> positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL reinforcement
>> >> that is, including

at

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>> >> WW where us Lifers are on our own. Now I'm just on
>> >> my own - a "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
>> >>
>> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a solo
>> >> ski trip.....

(G)

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>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
>> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time 🙂
>> >> >
>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>> >> >message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh62q7djhac@-
>> >> >4ax.com...
>> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman.
>> >> >> Does anything

she

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>> >> >> wants, anytime she wants, any way she wants.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
>> >> >> shall see
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and the
>> >> >> >WW scale which

is a

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>> >pound
>> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
>> >> >> >mangos he ate, I

am

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>under
>> >> >Fred
>> >> >> >🙂.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I
>> >> >> >changed my goal at

WW to

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>> >159,
>> >> >just
>> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
>> >> >> >365/158.8/159
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

You and Joyce and others have inspired the question for me -
not yet an answer but at least, the question that some find
meetings unnecessary.

Again, I don't think that I have dropped all ill-conceived
behaviors and so watching and mentally if not "writtenly"
calculated will be necessary.

Prairie Roots said:

Yeah, the meetings. I don't go at all, so I know, for me at
least, the way of life can be sustained without them.

Fred said:

Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the eating
goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my snacking
penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It was more the
meetings.

Prairie Roots said:

When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal" eater.
I've tried that route enough times before to know it for
a fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it were otherwise.
Doesn't mean I don't pretend it to be otherwise
sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm not seduced on occasion by
thoughts of being a "normal" eater someday. Based on my
own previous experience with weight loss, and even recent
experience, when I start feeling a bit too confident, I'm
in trouble. This has to be a way of life for me.

That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to
figure this out for her/himself.

Linda P

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:08:02 GMT, "Lesanne"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>I felt funny saying that, because you might not have any
>problem at all, I am really relating what I am afraid
>will happen to me if I cut loose. I have those same
>thoughts. It "seems" like a very seductive idea, to just
>be "normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for me.
>For you, however, ??? Only you can tell.
>
>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>"]news:[email hidden]...
>> Thanks for the additional feedback.
>>
>> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step,
>> if I even take it, would be to cut that back to
>> monthly or maybe even every other week and see how
>> that goes. But for the moment, I will continue to go
>> weekly and just wait for another vacation or whatever
>> to break it occasionally.
>>
>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
>> >getting a lot less attention. And having those "do I
>> >need to go to meetings" thoughts. But
>I
>> >have a background of steady gains each and every time
>> >that I leave the meetings entirely. Knowing that I am
>> >going to weigh in each month For
>Free
>> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I too
>> >enjoy eating a
>bit
>> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh
>> >in and the torture it will be if I have to take off
>> >say 5 pounds for one, that keeps me under control
>> >enough days of the week to stay under goal. If I were
>> >you
>"normal"
>> >thin person, I would test that by going once a month
>> >for a year or so and see how it works 🙂
>> >
>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>> >> I guess I really had not realized that you changed
>> >> YOUR GOAL. That is a big step. I can see where it
>> >> provides extra encouragement to keep it below 160
>> >> but I don't think I'm ready to do that. I hope that
>> >> I can bounce at or below 160 without forcing the
>> >> issue with monetary penalties (G)
>> >>
>> >> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations
>> >> with myself about the weight stuff. I like being
>> >> "here" but am having trouble with the snacking
>> >> aspects and am not really in the mood to fully
>> >> restart journaling - like how much gorp did I have
>> >> yesterday and what's sort of 1/3 of an odwalla bar
>> >> worth and almost half a Two Point bar?? I guess
>> >> that mid-week, I can journal easier than the
>> >> backcountry outdoor stuff.
>> >>
>> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
>> >> should attend. Then, now this was interesting.....
>> >> Have I lost a bit of interest because I am not
>> >> getting as many comments, meaning, there is no
>> >> change and no positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL
>> >> reinforcement that is, including at WW where us
>> >> Lifers are on our own. Now I'm just on my own - a
>> >> "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
>> >>
>> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a solo
>> >> ski trip..... (G)
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
>> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time 🙂
>> >> >
>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>> >> >message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh62q7djhac@4-
>> >> >ax.com...
>> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman.
>> >> >> Does anything she wants, anytime she wants, any
>> >> >> way she wants.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
>> >> >> shall see
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
>> >> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and the
>> >> >> >WW scale which is a
>> >pound
>> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
>> >> >> >mangos he ate, I am
>under
>> >> >Fred
>> >> >> >🙂.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I
>> >> >> >changed my goal at WW to
>> >159,
>> >> >just
>> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
>> >> >> >365/158.8/159
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

I think that probably is the rule. I think it may actually
be in one of the booklets, too.

JulieB said:

Here at least you have to pay the lifetimer's fee for the
first meeting back after some missed months. I'm still
weighing in at least twice a month, so I haven't ever
tested this though.

Yeah. Me too. I just hadn't connected it with my need to do
WW in the privacy of my home. Thanks again for the insight.

Miss Violette said:

Thank you, I am very into my personal control. It is very
hard for me to give that up at all. It is something that
once I learned it has helped me to deal with a big part of
the things that most people put into the heading "issues",
Lee Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Yes. I think you've hit on something here that I hadn't
quite sussed out for myself. Having control over my
environment is very important to me. Especially when it
comes to matters of vulnerability. I'll keep the reasons
why to myself for now.

Here I choose my level of openness, and even when I am
exposing aspects of my deepest self (which I haven't yet!
<G>😉, I'm still behind the safety of a cyberscreen.

Thanks for the gift of your wisdom Lee. You are greatly
appreciated.

Linda P

Miss Violette said:

one thing I have figured out about this group, beyond
the nice supportive people here, the anxiety in dealing
with other seems to be greatly

reduced

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as I can choose not to open the group and therefore have
total control,

Lee

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Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> The differences between individuals is what makes us
> individual. One reason I'm doing so well this time is
> that I'm NOT going to meetings. I'm at the extreme end
> of Introvert, so being around all those people de-
> motivates me. In my previous weight loss efforts, I've
> never gone as far as I have this time, and I'm still
> motivated to continue. Even in Overeaters Anonymous,
> my last most successful effort, I got down to the mid-
> 170s and then froze with anxiety. I just got to the
> point where I couldn't face people every week with my
> food issues. Yet I find the support of others, such as
> the folks in this NG, to be invaluable. Daily point
> tracking online and communicating here are my rules.
> I'm pretty sure I'll always need to do some sort of
> journaling after I reach goal, whether it's WW Online
> or a food tracking software such as Diet Power. I have
> a feeling I'll always need the support of others, too.
>
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:36:34 GMT, "Lesanne"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >SEE everyone is different. I literally tried hundreds
> >of times and

never

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> >was able to do jack without the meetings. As soon as
> >I make myself

go, I

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> >lose. That was why I made that Rule for myself this
> >last time. Go
Forever,
> >and get to goal so it's free......
> >
> >"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> Yeah, the meetings. I don't go at all, so I know,
> >> for me at least,

the

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> >> way of life can be sustained without them.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:23:25 -0800, Fred
> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the
> >> >eating goes.

Can't

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> >> >let down that guard. No, with my snacking
> >> >penchant, I know I am

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> >> >just "any man." It was more the meetings.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:37:16 -0600, Prairie Roots
> >> ><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal"
> >> >>eater. I've tried that route enough times before
> >> >>to know it for a fact. Doesn't mean

I

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> >> >>
> >> >>That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has
> >> >>to figure this

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> >> >>for her/himself.
> >> >>
> >> >>Linda P
> >> >>
> >> >>On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:08:02 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >> >><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>I felt funny saying that, because you might not
> >> >>>have any problem

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> >all, I
> >> >>>am really relating what I am afraid will happen
> >> >>>to me if I cut
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> >I
> >> >>>have those same thoughts. It "seems" like a very
> >> >>>seductive idea,

to

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> >just be
> >> >>>"normal". I don't believe in it any more, not
> >> >>>for me. For you,
> >however,
> >> >>>??? Only you can tell.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >> >>>message news:kcen40dr9rc3p873kdcs54ao858pbai259-
> >> >>>@4ax.com...
> >> >>>> Thanks for the additional feedback.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first
> >> >>>> step, if I even
take
> >> >>>> it, would be to cut that back to monthly or
> >> >>>> maybe even every

other

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> >> >>>> whatever to break

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> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I
> >> >>>> >also am getting a

lot

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> >less
> >> >>>> >attention. And having those "do I need to go
> >> >>>> >to meetings"
thoughts.
> >But
> >> >>>I
> >> >>>> >have a background of steady gains each and
> >> >>>> >every time that I
leave
> >the
> >> >>>> >meetings entirely. Knowing that I am going to
> >> >>>> >weigh in each
month
> >For
> >> >>>Free
> >> >>>> >is what is keeping me here now. The only
> >> >>>> >thing. I too enjoy
eating
> >a
> >> >>>bit
> >> >>>> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the
> >> >>>> >weigh in and the
> >torture it
> >> >>>> >will be if I have to take off say 5 pounds
> >> >>>> >for one, that keeps

me

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> >> >>>> >control enough days of the week to stay under
> >> >>>> >goal. If I were
you
> >> >>>"normal"
> >> >>>> >thin person, I would test that by going once
> >> >>>> >a month for a

year

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> >so and
> >> >>>> >see how it works 🙂
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >> >>>> >message news:o7nm40t2h3ghlb44u7ddj1in1qqpcqc-
> >> >>>> >[email hidden]...
> >> >>>> >> I guess I really had not realized that you
> >> >>>> >> changed YOUR

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> >> >>>> >> a big step. I can see where it provides
> >> >>>> >> extra encouragement

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> >> >>>> >> it below 160 but I don't think I'm ready to
> >> >>>> >> do that. I hope
that
> >I
> >> >>>> >> can bounce at or below 160 without forcing
> >> >>>> >> the issue with
monetary
> >> >>>> >> penalties (G)
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> While skiing yesterday I did have
> >> >>>> >> conversations with myself
about
> >the
> >> >>>> >> weight stuff. I like being "here" but am
> >> >>>> >> having trouble

with

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> >> >>>> >> snacking aspects and am not really in the
> >> >>>> >> mood to fully

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> >> >>>> >> yesterday and

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> >> >>>> >> of 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost
> >> >>>> >> half a Two Point
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> >I
> >> >>>> >> guess that mid-week, I can journal easier
> >> >>>> >> than the

backcountry

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> >> >>>> >> stuff.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I
> >> >>>> >> still should

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> >Then,
> >> >>>> >> now this was interesting..... Have I lost a
> >> >>>> >> bit of interest
> >because I
> >> >>>> >> am not getting as many comments, meaning,
> >> >>>> >> there is no change
and
> >no
> >> >>>> >> positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL
> >> >>>> >> reinforcement that is,
including
> >at
> >> >>>> >> WW where us Lifers are on our own. Now I'm
> >> >>>> >> just on my own -

a

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> >> >>>> >> "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and
> >> >>>> >> a solo ski
trip.....
> >(G)
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
<[email hidden]>
> >> >>>> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the
> >> >>>> >> >time 🙂
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote
> >> >>>> >> >in message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh-
> >> >>>> >> >[email hidden]...
> >> >>>> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a
> >> >>>> >> >> woman. Does
anything
> >she
> >> >>>> >> >> wants, anytime she wants, any way she
> >> >>>> >> >> wants.
> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>>> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>>> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will
> >> >>>> >> >> help = we shall see
> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>>> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT,
> >> >>>> >> >> "Lesanne"
> ><[email hidden]>
> >> >>>> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>>> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything,
> >> >>>> >> >> >and the WW scale
which
> >is a
> >> >>>> >pound
> >> >>>> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those
> >> >>>> >> >> >dried mangos he

ate,

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> >am
> >> >>>under
> >> >>>> >> >Fred
> >> >>>> >> >> >🙂.
> >> >>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal (
> >> >>>> >> >> >I changed my

goal

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> >WW to
> >> >>>> >159,
> >> >>>> >> >just
> >> >>>> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
> >> >>>> >> >> >365/158.8/159
> >> >>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >> Linda P
> >> 232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003
> >
>
> Linda P
> 232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

The differences between individuals is what makes us
individual. One reason I'm doing so well this time is that
I'm NOT going to meetings. I'm at the extreme end of
Introvert, so being around all those people de-motivates me.
In my previous weight loss efforts, I've never gone as far
as I have this time, and I'm still motivated to continue.
Even in Overeaters Anonymous, my last most successful
effort, I got down to the mid-170s and then froze with
anxiety. I just got to the point where I couldn't face
people every week with my food issues. Yet I find the
support of others, such as the folks in this NG, to be
invaluable. Daily point tracking online and communicating
here are my rules. I'm pretty sure I'll always need to do
some sort of journaling after I reach goal, whether it's WW
Online or a food tracking software such as Diet Power. I
have a feeling I'll always need the support of others, too.

Lesanne said:

SEE everyone is different. I literally tried hundreds of
times and never was able to do jack without the meetings.
As soon as I make myself go, I lose. That was why I made
that Rule for myself this last time. Go Forever, and get to
goal so it's free......

"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Yeah, the meetings. I don't go at all, so I know, for me
at least, the way of life can be sustained without them.

Fred said:

Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the eating
goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my snacking
penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It was more
the meetings.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:37:16 -0600, Prairie Roots
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal" eater.
>I've tried that route enough times before to know it
>for a fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it were
>otherwise. Doesn't mean I don't pretend it to be
>otherwise sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm not seduced on
>occasion by thoughts of being a "normal" eater someday.
>Based on my own previous experience with weight loss,
>and even recent experience, when I start feeling a bit
>too confident, I'm in trouble. This has to be a way of
>life for me.
>
>That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to
>figure this out for her/himself.
>
>Linda P
>
>On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:08:02 GMT, "Lesanne"
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I felt funny saying that, because you might not have
>>any problem at

all, I

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>>am really relating what I am afraid will happen to me
>>if I cut loose.

I

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>>have those same thoughts. It "seems" like a very
>>seductive idea, to

just be

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>>"normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for me.
>>For you,

however,

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>>??? Only you can tell.
>>
>>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>"]news:[email hidden]...
>>> Thanks for the additional feedback.
>>>
>>> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step,
>>> if I even take it, would be to cut that back to
>>> monthly or maybe even every other week and see how
>>> that goes. But for the moment, I will continue to

go

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>>> weekly and just wait for another vacation or
>>> whatever to break it occasionally.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
>>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
>>> >getting a lot

less

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>>> >attention. And having those "do I need to go to
>>> >meetings" thoughts.

But

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>>I
>>> >have a background of steady gains each and every
>>> >time that I leave

the

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>>> >meetings entirely. Knowing that I am going to weigh
>>> >in each month

For

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>>Free
>>> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I
>>> >too enjoy eating

a

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>>bit
>>> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh
>>> >in and the

torture it

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>>> >will be if I have to take off say 5 pounds for one,
>>> >that keeps me

under

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>>> >If I were you
>>"normal"
>>> >thin person, I would test that by going once a
>>> >month for a year or

so and

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>>> >see how it works 🙂
>>> >
>>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>>> >> I guess I really had not realized that you
>>> >> changed YOUR GOAL.

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>>> >> a big step. I can see where it provides extra
>>> >> encouragement to

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>>> >> that. I hope that

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>>> >> issue with monetary penalties (G)
>>> >>
>>> >> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations
>>> >> with myself about

the

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>>> >> weight stuff. I like being "here" but am having
>>> >> trouble with the snacking aspects and am not
>>> >> really in the mood to fully restart journaling -
>>> >> like how much gorp did I have yesterday and
>>> >> what's

sort

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>>> >> of 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half a
>>> >> Two Point bar??

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>>> >> guess that mid-week, I can journal easier than
>>> >> the backcountry

outdoor

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>>> >>
>>> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
>>> >> should attend.

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>>> >> of interest

because I

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>>> >> is no change and

no

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>>> >> positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL reinforcement
>>> >> that is, including

at

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>>> >> WW where us Lifers are on our own. Now I'm just
>>> >> on my own - a "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
>>> >>
>>> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a
>>> >> solo ski trip.....

(G)

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>>> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
>>> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time
>>> >> >🙂
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>> >> >message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh62q7djhac-
>>> >> >@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman.
>>> >> >> Does anything

she

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>>> >> >> wants, anytime she wants, any way she wants.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
>>> >> >> shall see
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and
>>> >> >> >the WW scale which

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>>> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
>>> >> >> >mangos he ate, I

am

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>>> >> >Fred
>>> >> >> >🙂.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I
>>> >> >> >changed my goal at

WW to

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>>> >159,
>>> >> >just
>>> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
>>> >> >> >365/158.8/159
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

I NEED the meetings, not sure why, and honestly I decided I don't care why
anymore, they help me lose and I accepted that I will go forever. I have
done WI 72 consecutive weeks, I did not stay one time, that week was the
worst one I had since starting WW, I am shocked by all of this as I
generally do not like crowds, and am not a joiner by nature. But it works
and that is what counts, Lee
Lesanne <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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SEE everyone is different. I literally tried hundreds of
times and never was able to do jack without the meetings.
As soon as I make myself go, I lose. That was why I made
that Rule for myself this last time. Go

Forever,

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and get to goal so it's free......

"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Yeah, the meetings. I don't go at all, so I know, for me
at least, the way of life can be sustained without them.

Fred said:

Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the
eating goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my
snacking penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It
was more the meetings.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:37:16 -0600, Prairie Roots
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal"
>eater. I've tried that route enough times before to
>know it for a fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it were
>otherwise. Doesn't mean I don't pretend it to be
>otherwise sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm not seduced on
>occasion by thoughts of being a "normal" eater
>someday. Based on my own previous experience with
>weight loss, and even recent experience, when I start
>feeling a bit too confident, I'm in trouble. This has
>to be a way of life for me.
>
>That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to
>figure this out for her/himself.
>
>Linda P
>
>On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:08:02 GMT, "Lesanne"
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I felt funny saying that, because you might not have
>>any problem at

all, I

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>>am really relating what I am afraid will happen to me
>>if I cut loose.

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>>seductive idea, to

just be

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>>For you,

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>>??? Only you can tell.
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>>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>"]news:[email hidden]...
>>> Thanks for the additional feedback.
>>>
>>> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first
>>> step, if I even take it, would be to cut that back
>>> to monthly or maybe even every other week and see
>>> how that goes. But for the moment, I will continue
>>> to

go

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>>> weekly and just wait for another vacation or
>>> whatever to break it occasionally.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
>>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
>>> >getting a lot

less

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>>> >meetings"

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>>> >time that I leave

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>>> >weigh in each month

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>>> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I
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>>> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the
>>> >weigh in and the

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>>> >one, that keeps me

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>>> >goal. If I were you
>>"normal"
>>> >thin person, I would test that by going once a
>>> >month for a year or

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>>> >
>>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>> >message news:o7nm40t2h3ghlb44u7ddj1in1qqpcqc6b3@4-
>>> >ax.com...
>>> >> I guess I really had not realized that you
>>> >> changed YOUR GOAL.

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>>> >> encouragement to

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>>> >> that. I hope

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>>> >> issue with

monetary

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>>> >>
>>> >> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations
>>> >> with myself

about

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>>> >> trouble with

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>>> >> to fully restart journaling - like how much gorp
>>> >> did I have yesterday and what's

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>>> >> Two Point bar??

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>>> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
>>> >> should attend.

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>>> >> of interest

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>>> >> that is,

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>>> >> WW where us Lifers are on our own. Now I'm just
>>> >> on my own - a "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
>>> >>
>>> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a
>>> >> solo ski trip.....

(G)

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>>> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time
>>> >> >🙂
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>> >> >message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh62q7djha-
>>> >> >[email hidden]...
>>> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a
>>> >> >> woman. Does anything

she

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>>> >> >> wants, anytime she wants, any way she wants.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help =
>>> >> >> we shall see
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and
>>> >> >> >the WW scale

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>>> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
>>> >> >> >mangos he ate,

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>>> >> >Fred
>>> >> >> >🙂.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I
>>> >> >> >changed my goal at

WW to

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>>> >> >just
>>> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
>>> >> >> >365/158.8/159
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Yes. I think you've hit on something here that I hadn't
quite sussed out for myself. Having control over my
environment is very important to me. Especially when it
comes to matters of vulnerability. I'll keep the reasons why
to myself for now.

Here I choose my level of openness, and even when I am
exposing aspects of my deepest self (which I haven't yet!
<G>😉, I'm still behind the safety of a cyberscreen.

Thanks for the gift of your wisdom Lee. You are greatly
appreciated.

Linda P

Miss Violette said:

one thing I have figured out about this group, beyond the
nice supportive people here, the anxiety in dealing with
other seems to be greatly reduced as I can choose not to
open the group and therefore have total control, Lee
Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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The differences between individuals is what makes us
individual. One reason I'm doing so well this time is
that I'm NOT going to meetings. I'm at the extreme end of
Introvert, so being around all those people de-motivates
me. In my previous weight loss efforts, I've never gone
as far as I have this time, and I'm still motivated to
continue. Even in Overeaters Anonymous, my last most
successful effort, I got down to the mid-170s and then
froze with anxiety. I just got to the point where I
couldn't face people every week with my food issues. Yet
I find the support of others, such as the folks in this
NG, to be invaluable. Daily point tracking online and
communicating here are my rules. I'm pretty sure I'll
always need to do some sort of journaling after I reach
goal, whether it's WW Online or a food tracking software
such as Diet Power. I have a feeling I'll always need the
support of others, too.

Lesanne said:

SEE everyone is different. I literally tried hundreds of
times and never was able to do jack without the
meetings. As soon as I make myself go, I lose. That was
why I made that Rule for myself this last time. Go

Forever,

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and get to goal so it's free......

"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> Yeah, the meetings. I don't go at all, so I know, for
> me at least, the way of life can be sustained without
> them.
>
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:23:25 -0800, Fred
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the
> >eating goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my
> >snacking penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It
> >was more the meetings.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:37:16 -0600, Prairie Roots
> ><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >>When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal"
> >>eater. I've tried that route enough times before to
> >>know it for a fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it
> >>were otherwise. Doesn't mean I don't pretend it to
> >>be otherwise sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm not seduced
> >>on occasion by thoughts of being a "normal" eater
> >>someday. Based on my own previous experience with
> >>weight loss, and even recent experience, when I
> >>start feeling a bit too confident, I'm in trouble.
> >>This has to be a way of life for me.
> >>
> >>That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to
> >>figure this out for her/himself.
> >>
> >>Linda P
> >>
> >>On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:08:02 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>I felt funny saying that, because you might not
> >>>have any problem at
all, I
> >>>am really relating what I am afraid will happen to
> >>>me if I cut

loose.

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> >>>have those same thoughts. It "seems" like a very
> >>>seductive idea, to
just be
> >>>"normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for
> >>>me. For you,
however,
> >>>??? Only you can tell.
> >>>
> >>>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >>>"]news:[email hidden]...
> >>>> Thanks for the additional feedback.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first
> >>>> step, if I even

take

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> >>>> it, would be to cut that back to monthly or maybe
> >>>> even every other week and see how that goes. But
> >>>> for the moment, I will continue

to

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go
> >>>> weekly and just wait for another vacation or
> >>>> whatever to break it occasionally.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >>>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also
> >>>> >am getting a lot
less
> >>>> >attention. And having those "do I need to go to
> >>>> >meetings"

thoughts.

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> >>>I
> >>>> >have a background of steady gains each and every
> >>>> >time that I

leave

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the
> >>>> >meetings entirely. Knowing that I am going to
> >>>> >weigh in each

month

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> >>>Free
> >>>> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing.
> >>>> >I too enjoy

eating

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a
> >>>bit
> >>>> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the
> >>>> >weigh in and the
torture it
> >>>> >will be if I have to take off say 5 pounds for
> >>>> >one, that keeps me
under
> >>>> >control enough days of the week to stay under
> >>>> >goal. If I were

you

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> >>>"normal"
> >>>> >thin person, I would test that by going once a
> >>>> >month for a year

or

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> >>>> >see how it works 🙂
> >>>> >
> >>>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >>>> >message news:o7nm40t2h3ghlb44u7ddj1in1qqpcqc6b3-
> >>>> >@4ax.com...
> >>>> >> I guess I really had not realized that you
> >>>> >> changed YOUR GOAL.
That is
> >>>> >> a big step. I can see where it provides extra
> >>>> >> encouragement to
keep
> >>>> >> it below 160 but I don't think I'm ready to do
> >>>> >> that. I hope

that

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> >>>> >> can bounce at or below 160 without forcing the
> >>>> >> issue with

monetary

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> >>>> >> penalties (G)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> While skiing yesterday I did have
> >>>> >> conversations with myself

about

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> >>>> >> weight stuff. I like being "here" but am
> >>>> >> having trouble with

the

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> >>>> >> snacking aspects and am not really in the mood
> >>>> >> to fully restart journaling - like how much
> >>>> >> gorp did I have yesterday and what's
sort
> >>>> >> of 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half
> >>>> >> a Two Point

bar??

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I
> >>>> >> guess that mid-week, I can journal easier than
> >>>> >> the backcountry
outdoor
> >>>> >> stuff.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
> >>>> >> should attend.
Then,
> >>>> >> now this was interesting..... Have I lost a
> >>>> >> bit of interest
because I
> >>>> >> am not getting as many comments, meaning,
> >>>> >> there is no change

and

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no
> >>>> >> positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL reinforcement
> >>>> >> that is,

including

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at
> >>>> >> WW where us Lifers are on our own. Now I'm
> >>>> >> just on my own - a "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a
> >>>> >> solo ski

trip.....

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(G)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the
> >>>> >> >time 🙂
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >>>> >> >message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh62q7dj-
> >>>> >> >[email hidden]...
> >>>> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a
> >>>> >> >> woman. Does

anything

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she
> >>>> >> >> wants, anytime she wants, any way she
> >>>> >> >> wants.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help =
> >>>> >> >> we shall see
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
<[email hidden]>
> >>>> >> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and
> >>>> >> >> >the WW scale

which

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is a
> >>>> >pound
> >>>> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those
> >>>> >> >> >dried mangos he ate,

I

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am
> >>>under
> >>>> >> >Fred
> >>>> >> >> >🙂.
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I
> >>>> >> >> >changed my goal

at

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WW to
> >>>> >159,
> >>>> >> >just
> >>>> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
> >>>> >> >> >365/158.8/159
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>
>
> Linda P
> 232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Continue ruminating and eventually, discernment will come.

Maybe experiment with going 2x a month, or 1x a month. Once
a month is all WW expects for lifetimers, and you're still
attending weekly. So perhaps cutting back on the meetings
now that you're at goal wouldn't automatically be considered
"ill-conceived." Of course, only you know that for sure.

Fred said:

You and Joyce and others have inspired the question for me
- not yet an answer but at least, the question that some
find meetings unnecessary.

Again, I don't think that I have dropped all ill-conceived
behaviors and so watching and mentally if not "writtenly"
calculated will be necessary.

Prairie Roots said:

Yeah, the meetings. I don't go at all, so I know, for me
at least, the way of life can be sustained without them.

Fred said:

Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the eating
goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my snacking
penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It was more the
meetings.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:37:16 -0600, Prairie Roots
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal" eater.
>I've tried that route enough times before to know it for
>a fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it were otherwise.
>Doesn't mean I don't pretend it to be otherwise
>sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm not seduced on occasion by
>thoughts of being a "normal" eater someday. Based on my
>own previous experience with weight loss, and even
>recent experience, when I start feeling a bit too
>confident, I'm in trouble. This has to be a way of life
>for me.
>
>That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to
>figure this out for her/himself.
>
>Linda P
>
>On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:08:02 GMT, "Lesanne"
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I felt funny saying that, because you might not have
>>any problem at all, I am really relating what I am
>>afraid will happen to me if I cut loose. I have those
>>same thoughts. It "seems" like a very seductive idea,
>>to just be "normal". I don't believe in it any more,
>>not for me. For you, however, ??? Only you can tell.
>>
>>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>"]news:[email hidden]...
>>> Thanks for the additional feedback.
>>>
>>> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step,
>>> if I even take it, would be to cut that back to
>>> monthly or maybe even every other week and see how
>>> that goes. But for the moment, I will continue to go
>>> weekly and just wait for another vacation or whatever
>>> to break it occasionally.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
>>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
>>> >getting a lot less attention. And having those "do I
>>> >need to go to meetings" thoughts. But
>>I
>>> >have a background of steady gains each and every
>>> >time that I leave the meetings entirely. Knowing
>>> >that I am going to weigh in each month For
>>Free
>>> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I
>>> >too enjoy eating a
>>bit
>>> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh
>>> >in and the torture it will be if I have to take off
>>> >say 5 pounds for one, that keeps me under control
>>> >enough days of the week to stay under goal. If I
>>> >were you
>>"normal"
>>> >thin person, I would test that by going once a month
>>> >for a year or so and see how it works 🙂
>>> >
>>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>>> >> I guess I really had not realized that you changed
>>> >> YOUR GOAL. That is a big step. I can see where it
>>> >> provides extra encouragement to keep it below 160
>>> >> but I don't think I'm ready to do that. I hope
>>> >> that I can bounce at or below 160 without forcing
>>> >> the issue with monetary penalties (G)
>>> >>
>>> >> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations
>>> >> with myself about the weight stuff. I like being
>>> >> "here" but am having trouble with the snacking
>>> >> aspects and am not really in the mood to fully
>>> >> restart journaling - like how much gorp did I have
>>> >> yesterday and what's sort of 1/3 of an odwalla bar
>>> >> worth and almost half a Two Point bar?? I guess
>>> >> that mid-week, I can journal easier than the
>>> >> backcountry outdoor stuff.
>>> >>
>>> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
>>> >> should attend. Then, now this was interesting.....
>>> >> Have I lost a bit of interest because I am not
>>> >> getting as many comments, meaning, there is no
>>> >> change and no positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL
>>> >> reinforcement that is, including at WW where us
>>> >> Lifers are on our own. Now I'm just on my own - a
>>> >> "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
>>> >>
>>> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a solo
>>> >> ski trip..... (G)
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
>>> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time 🙂
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>> >> >message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh62q7djhac@-
>>> >> >4ax.com...
>>> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman.
>>> >> >> Does anything she wants, anytime she wants, any
>>> >> >> way she wants.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
>>> >> >> shall see
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
>>> >> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and the
>>> >> >> >WW scale which is a
>>> >pound
>>> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
>>> >> >> >mangos he ate, I am
>>under
>>> >> >Fred
>>> >> >> >🙂.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I
>>> >> >> >changed my goal at WW to
>>> >159,
>>> >> >just
>>> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
>>> >> >> >365/158.8/159
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

True dat!

Lesanne said:

yes, but the neat thing is that you found what works for
you.

"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The differences between individuals is what makes us
individual. One reason I'm doing so well this time is
that I'm NOT going to meetings. I'm at the extreme end of
Introvert, so being around all those people de-motivates
me. In my previous weight loss efforts, I've never gone
as far as I have this time, and I'm still motivated to
continue. Even in Overeaters Anonymous, my last most
successful effort, I got down to the mid-170s and then
froze with anxiety. I just got to the point where I
couldn't face people every week with my food issues. Yet
I find the support of others, such as the folks in this
NG, to be invaluable. Daily point tracking online and
communicating here are my rules. I'm pretty sure I'll
always need to do some sort of journaling after I reach
goal, whether it's WW Online or a food tracking software
such as Diet Power. I have a feeling I'll always need the
support of others, too.

Lesanne said:

SEE everyone is different. I literally tried hundreds of
times and never was able to do jack without the
meetings. As soon as I make myself go, I lose. That was
why I made that Rule for myself this last time. Go

Forever,

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and get to goal so it's free......

"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Yeah, the meetings. I don't go at all, so I know, for
> me at least, the way of life can be sustained without
> them.
>
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:23:25 -0800, Fred
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the
> >eating goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my
> >snacking penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It
> >was more the meetings.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:37:16 -0600, Prairie Roots
> ><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >>When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal"
> >>eater. I've tried that route enough times before to
> >>know it for a fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it
> >>were otherwise. Doesn't mean I don't pretend it to
> >>be otherwise sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm not seduced
> >>on occasion by thoughts of being a "normal" eater
> >>someday. Based on my own previous experience with
> >>weight loss, and even recent experience, when I
> >>start feeling a bit too confident, I'm in trouble.
> >>This has to be a way of life for me.
> >>
> >>That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to
> >>figure this out for her/himself.
> >>
> >>Linda P
> >>
> >>On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:08:02 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>I felt funny saying that, because you might not
> >>>have any problem at
all, I
> >>>am really relating what I am afraid will happen to
> >>>me if I cut

loose.

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> >>>have those same thoughts. It "seems" like a very
> >>>seductive idea, to
just be
> >>>"normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for
> >>>me. For you,
however,
> >>>??? Only you can tell.
> >>>
> >>>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >>>"]news:[email hidden]...
> >>>> Thanks for the additional feedback.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first
> >>>> step, if I even

take

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> >>>> it, would be to cut that back to monthly or maybe
> >>>> even every other week and see how that goes. But
> >>>> for the moment, I will continue

to

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> >>>> weekly and just wait for another vacation or
> >>>> whatever to break it occasionally.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
> >>>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also
> >>>> >am getting a lot
less
> >>>> >attention. And having those "do I need to go to
> >>>> >meetings"

thoughts.

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> >>>I
> >>>> >have a background of steady gains each and every
> >>>> >time that I

leave

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the
> >>>> >meetings entirely. Knowing that I am going to
> >>>> >weigh in each

month

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> >>>Free
> >>>> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing.
> >>>> >I too enjoy

eating

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> >>>bit
> >>>> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the
> >>>> >weigh in and the
torture it
> >>>> >will be if I have to take off say 5 pounds for
> >>>> >one, that keeps me
under
> >>>> >control enough days of the week to stay under
> >>>> >goal. If I were

you

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> >>>"normal"
> >>>> >thin person, I would test that by going once a
> >>>> >month for a year

or

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so and
> >>>> >see how it works 🙂
> >>>> >
> >>>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >>>> >message news:o7nm40t2h3ghlb44u7ddj1in1qqpcqc6b3-
> >>>> >@4ax.com...
> >>>> >> I guess I really had not realized that you
> >>>> >> changed YOUR GOAL.
That is
> >>>> >> a big step. I can see where it provides extra
> >>>> >> encouragement to
keep
> >>>> >> it below 160 but I don't think I'm ready to do
> >>>> >> that. I hope

that

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> >>>> >> can bounce at or below 160 without forcing the
> >>>> >> issue with

monetary

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> >>>> >> penalties (G)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> While skiing yesterday I did have
> >>>> >> conversations with myself

about

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> >>>> >> weight stuff. I like being "here" but am
> >>>> >> having trouble with

the

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> >>>> >> snacking aspects and am not really in the mood
> >>>> >> to fully restart journaling - like how much
> >>>> >> gorp did I have yesterday and what's
sort
> >>>> >> of 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half
> >>>> >> a Two Point

bar??

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I
> >>>> >> guess that mid-week, I can journal easier than
> >>>> >> the backcountry
outdoor
> >>>> >> stuff.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
> >>>> >> should attend.
Then,
> >>>> >> now this was interesting..... Have I lost a
> >>>> >> bit of interest
because I
> >>>> >> am not getting as many comments, meaning,
> >>>> >> there is no change

and

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> >>>> >> positive reinforcement, EXTERNAL reinforcement
> >>>> >> that is,

including

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> >>>> >> WW where us Lifers are on our own. Now I'm
> >>>> >> just on my own - a "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a
> >>>> >> solo ski

trip.....

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> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the
> >>>> >> >time 🙂
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >>>> >> >message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh62q7dj-
> >>>> >> >[email hidden]...
> >>>> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a
> >>>> >> >> woman. Does

anything

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she
> >>>> >> >> wants, anytime she wants, any way she
> >>>> >> >> wants.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help =
> >>>> >> >> we shall see
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
<[email hidden]>
> >>>> >> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and
> >>>> >> >> >the WW scale

which

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> >>>> >pound
> >>>> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those
> >>>> >> >> >dried mangos he ate,

I

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> >>>under
> >>>> >> >Fred
> >>>> >> >> >🙂.
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I
> >>>> >> >> >changed my goal

at

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WW to
> >>>> >159,
> >>>> >> >just
> >>>> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
> >>>> >> >> >365/158.8/159
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>
>
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the good thing here is that if you decide to experiment, you can. if you
decrease or stop going, you can always restart that is the beauty of this
plan. Just find out about what you need to do to rejoin and then
experiment, so what if not going doesn't work for you, you learned and you
go back, Lee
Fred <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You and Joyce and others have inspired the question for me
- not yet an answer but at least, the question that some
find meetings unnecessary.

Again, I don't think that I have dropped all ill-conceived
behaviors and so watching and mentally if not "writtenly"
calculated will be necessary.

Prairie Roots said:

Yeah, the meetings. I don't go at all, so I know, for me
at least, the way of life can be sustained without them.

Fred said:

Clearly, it has to be a way-of-life as far as the eating
goes. Can't let down that guard. No, with my snacking
penchant, I know I am not just "any man." It was more
the meetings.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:37:16 -0600, Prairie Roots
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>When I'm honest, I know I'll never be a "normal" eater.
>I've tried that route enough times before to know it
>for a fact. Doesn't mean I don't wish it were
>otherwise. Doesn't mean I don't pretend it to be
>otherwise sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm not seduced on
>occasion by thoughts of being a "normal" eater someday.
>Based on my own previous experience with weight loss,
>and even recent experience, when I start feeling a bit
>too confident, I'm in trouble. This has to be a way of
>life for me.
>
>That's just me, though. As you say, everyone has to
>figure this out for her/himself.
>
>Linda P
>
>On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:08:02 GMT, "Lesanne"
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I felt funny saying that, because you might not have
>>any problem at

all, I

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>>am really relating what I am afraid will happen to me
>>if I cut loose.

I

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>>have those same thoughts. It "seems" like a very
>>seductive idea, to

just be

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>>"normal". I don't believe in it any more, not for me.
>>For you,

however,

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>>??? Only you can tell.
>>
>>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>"]news:[email hidden]...
>>> Thanks for the additional feedback.
>>>
>>> Since I still go to meetings weekly, the first step,
>>> if I even take it, would be to cut that back to
>>> monthly or maybe even every other week and see how
>>> that goes. But for the moment, I will continue to

go

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>>> weekly and just wait for another vacation or
>>> whatever to break it occasionally.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:37:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
>>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I think these are very dangerous waters. I also am
>>> >getting a lot

less

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>>> >attention. And having those "do I need to go to
>>> >meetings" thoughts.

But

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>>> >have a background of steady gains each and every
>>> >time that I leave

the

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>>> >meetings entirely. Knowing that I am going to weigh
>>> >in each month

For

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>>> >is what is keeping me here now. The only thing. I
>>> >too enjoy

eating a

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>>bit
>>> >more liberally, but it is the thoughts of the weigh
>>> >in and the

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>>> >will be if I have to take off say 5 pounds for one,
>>> >that keeps me

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>>> >control enough days of the week to stay under goal.
>>> >If I were you
>>"normal"
>>> >thin person, I would test that by going once a
>>> >month for a year or

so and

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>>> >see how it works 🙂
>>> >
>>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>>> >> I guess I really had not realized that you
>>> >> changed YOUR GOAL. Th

at is

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>>> >> a big step. I can see where it provides extra
>>> >> encouragement to

keep

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>>> >> it below 160 but I don't think I'm ready to do
>>> >> that. I hope that

I

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>>> >> issue with

monetary

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>>> >> penalties (G)
>>> >>
>>> >> While skiing yesterday I did have conversations
>>> >> with myself about

the

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>>> >> weight stuff. I like being "here" but am having
>>> >> trouble with the snacking aspects and am not
>>> >> really in the mood to fully restart journaling -
>>> >> like how much gorp did I have yesterday and
>>> >> what's

sort

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>>> >> of 1/3 of an odwalla bar worth and almost half a
>>> >> Two Point bar??

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>>> >> the backcountry

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>>> >>
>>> >> Then musing about meetings and whether I still
>>> >> should attend.

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>>> >> of interest

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>>> >> is no change and

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>>> >> that is, including

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>>> >> WW where us Lifers are on our own. Now I'm just
>>> >> on my own - a "normal" thin person!!!!!!!
>>> >>
>>> >> Ah, introspective musings on a gray day and a
>>> >> solo ski trip.....

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>>> >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:41:01 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Yeah. That is me. Change whatever all the time
>>> >> >🙂
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>> >> >message news:213l405tqo160ic8c5l7jhrjh62q7djhac-
>>> >> >@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> Change rules, change goals, just like a woman.
>>> >> >> Does anything

she

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>>> >> >> wants, anytime she wants, any way she wants.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Congrats on whatever anyway (G)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hopefully, this week's exercise will help = we
>>> >> >> shall see
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Lesanne"

<[email hidden]>

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>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >well even with clothes and everything, and
>>> >> >> >the WW scale which

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>>> >> >> >heavier than mine, thanks to all those dried
>>> >> >> >mangos he ate, I

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>>> >> >Fred
>>> >> >> >🙂.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Lesanne is a happy camper under goal ( I
>>> >> >> >changed my goal at

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>>> >> >just
>>> >> >> >to give Fred something to gripe about.)
>>> >> >> >365/158.8/159
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>

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