126mm rear spacing for 10 speed?

[[email protected]]

I posted this earlier but I guess Google fugged it up and deleted it
:-(

lot of talk about cold setting a frame that has 126 mm rear spacing to
fit a 8/9 speed wheel and some saying no need to cold set it, just slip
it nice and slow. But what about a 10 speed wheel? Any problems doing
that? I didn't see anything on Mr. Sheldon Brown's website or anywhere
on here about 10 speed with 126mm rear spacing. Thanks.

 

[[email protected]]

my earlier post magically appeared after reposting this
question...sorry to spam ya all..refer back to my earlier post, thanks

 

[David L. Johnson]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:03:20 -0800, mxd1007 wrote:

> I posted this earlier but I guess Google fugged it up and deleted it
> :-(
>
> lot of talk about cold setting a frame that has 126 mm rear spacing to
> fit a 8/9 speed wheel and some saying no need to cold set it, just slip
> it nice and slow. But what about a 10 speed wheel? Any problems doing
> that? I didn't see anything on Mr. Sheldon Brown's website or anywhere
> on here about 10 speed with 126mm rear spacing. Thanks.

10-speed wheels (road) are the same axle width as 8-speed, 130mm. Same
facts hold for both. If your current frame is 126mm, and is steel, there
should be no problem. If it is aluminum or titanium, it might or might
not work, but it's easy enough to test by seeing whether you can get a
130mm wheel in there without straining anything. If it's carbon (though
there probably aren't any 126mm carbon frames), it might not be a good
idea.

--

David L. Johnson

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[Hank Wirtz]

"David L. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> If it's carbon (though there probably aren't any 126mm carbon frames), it
> might not be a good
> idea.
>

Well, Vitus's CF frames were 126, but they had Aluminum rear triangles.

I'd bet you a shiny nickel that the first 8 years or so of Kestrels were
126. Probably a few other monocoques, too. Look, maybe?

 

[SYJ]

Hank Wirtz wrote:
> "David L. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
> > If it's carbon (though there probably aren't any 126mm carbon frames), it
> > might not be a good
> > idea.
> >
>
> Well, Vitus's CF frames were 126, but they had Aluminum rear triangles.
>
> I'd bet you a shiny nickel that the first 8 years or so of Kestrels were
> 126. Probably a few other monocoques, too. Look, maybe?

Old Specialized Allez Epic (and likely Giant Cadex) were 126 as well (8
tube carbon w/alu lugs)

SYJ

 

[John Everett]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:11:43 -0500, "David L. Johnson"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:03:20 -0800, mxd1007 wrote:
>
>> I posted this earlier but I guess Google fugged it up and deleted it
>> :-(
>>
>> lot of talk about cold setting a frame that has 126 mm rear spacing to
>> fit a 8/9 speed wheel and some saying no need to cold set it, just slip
>> it nice and slow. But what about a 10 speed wheel? Any problems doing
>> that? I didn't see anything on Mr. Sheldon Brown's website or anywhere
>> on here about 10 speed with 126mm rear spacing. Thanks.
>
>10-speed wheels (road) are the same axle width as 8-speed, 130mm. Same
>facts hold for both. If your current frame is 126mm, and is steel, there
>should be no problem. If it is aluminum or titanium, it might or might
>not work, but it's easy enough to test by seeing whether you can get a
>130mm wheel in there without straining anything.

It's been working just fine for years now on my late '80s Trek 1400
bonded aluminum bike. I didn't "cold set", I just slip in the 130mm
wheel.

As I've asked here before, have we all forgotten the original Dura Ace
8-speed rear hub with the conical lock nuts that assisted in snapping
the wheel into 126mm rear triangles?


jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

 

[Jay Beattie]

"SYJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Hank Wirtz wrote:
> > "David L. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news[email protected]...
> > > If it's carbon (though there probably aren't any 126mm
carbon frames), it
> > > might not be a good
> > > idea.
> > >
> >
> > Well, Vitus's CF frames were 126, but they had Aluminum rear
triangles.
> >
> > I'd bet you a shiny nickel that the first 8 years or so of
Kestrels were
> > 126. Probably a few other monocoques, too. Look, maybe?
>
> Old Specialized Allez Epic (and likely Giant Cadex) were 126 as
well (8
> tube carbon w/alu lugs)

Exxon Graftek. Maybe 120mm? I saw them with five speed in the
mid '70s. Spread the stays on those and make a wish. -- Jay
Beattie.

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

John Everett wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:11:43 -0500, "David L. Johnson"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:03:20 -0800, mxd1007 wrote:
>>
>>> I posted this earlier but I guess Google fugged it up and deleted it
>>> :-(
>>>
>>> lot of talk about cold setting a frame that has 126 mm rear spacing
>>> to fit a 8/9 speed wheel and some saying no need to cold set it,
>>> just slip it nice and slow. But what about a 10 speed wheel? Any
>>> problems doing that? I didn't see anything on Mr. Sheldon Brown's
>>> website or anywhere on here about 10 speed with 126mm rear spacing.
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> 10-speed wheels (road) are the same axle width as 8-speed, 130mm.
>> Same facts hold for both. If your current frame is 126mm, and is
>> steel, there should be no problem. If it is aluminum or titanium,
>> it might or might not work, but it's easy enough to test by seeing
>> whether you can get a 130mm wheel in there without straining
>> anything.
>
> It's been working just fine for years now on my late '80s Trek 1400
> bonded aluminum bike. I didn't "cold set", I just slip in the 130mm
> wheel.
>
> As I've asked here before, have we all forgotten the original Dura Ace
> 8-speed rear hub with the conical lock nuts that assisted in snapping
> the wheel into 126mm rear triangles?

Do you have a picture?

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[David L. Johnson]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:53:37 +0000, John Everett wrote:

>
> As I've asked here before, have we all forgotten the original Dura Ace
> 8-speed rear hub with the conical lock nuts that assisted in snapping
> the wheel into 126mm rear triangles?

I guess so -- I've even forgotten that you asked that here before.

--

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[John Everett]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:15:53 -0500, "Phil, Squid-in-Training"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>John Everett wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:11:43 -0500, "David L. Johnson"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:03:20 -0800, mxd1007 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I posted this earlier but I guess Google fugged it up and deleted it
>>>> :-(
>>>>
>>>> lot of talk about cold setting a frame that has 126 mm rear spacing
>>>> to fit a 8/9 speed wheel and some saying no need to cold set it,
>>>> just slip it nice and slow. But what about a 10 speed wheel? Any
>>>> problems doing that? I didn't see anything on Mr. Sheldon Brown's
>>>> website or anywhere on here about 10 speed with 126mm rear spacing.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> 10-speed wheels (road) are the same axle width as 8-speed, 130mm.
>>> Same facts hold for both. If your current frame is 126mm, and is
>>> steel, there should be no problem. If it is aluminum or titanium,
>>> it might or might not work, but it's easy enough to test by seeing
>>> whether you can get a 130mm wheel in there without straining
>>> anything.
>>
>> It's been working just fine for years now on my late '80s Trek 1400
>> bonded aluminum bike. I didn't "cold set", I just slip in the 130mm
>> wheel.
>>
>> As I've asked here before, have we all forgotten the original Dura Ace
>> 8-speed rear hub with the conical lock nuts that assisted in snapping
>> the wheel into 126mm rear triangles?
>
>Do you have a picture?

http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3/Pictures/Locknut.jpg


jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

John Everett wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:15:53 -0500, "Phil, Squid-in-Training"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> John Everett wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:11:43 -0500, "David L. Johnson"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:03:20 -0800, mxd1007 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I posted this earlier but I guess Google fugged it up and deleted
>>>>> it :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> lot of talk about cold setting a frame that has 126 mm rear
>>>>> spacing to fit a 8/9 speed wheel and some saying no need to cold
>>>>> set it, just slip it nice and slow. But what about a 10 speed
>>>>> wheel? Any problems doing that? I didn't see anything on Mr.
>>>>> Sheldon Brown's website or anywhere on here about 10 speed with
>>>>> 126mm rear spacing. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> 10-speed wheels (road) are the same axle width as 8-speed, 130mm.
>>>> Same facts hold for both. If your current frame is 126mm, and is
>>>> steel, there should be no problem. If it is aluminum or titanium,
>>>> it might or might not work, but it's easy enough to test by seeing
>>>> whether you can get a 130mm wheel in there without straining
>>>> anything.
>>>
>>> It's been working just fine for years now on my late '80s Trek 1400
>>> bonded aluminum bike. I didn't "cold set", I just slip in the 130mm
>>> wheel.
>>>
>>> As I've asked here before, have we all forgotten the original Dura
>>> Ace 8-speed rear hub with the conical lock nuts that assisted in
>>> snapping the wheel into 126mm rear triangles?
>>
>> Do you have a picture?
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3/Pictures/Locknut.jpg
>
>
> jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

How did that help with short OLDs? I'm not clear on what the difference
between that DA hub and others are. What does the conical-ness have to do
with it?
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
>
>I posted this earlier but I guess Google fugged it up and deleted it
>:-(
>
>lot of talk about cold setting a frame that has 126 mm rear spacing to
>fit a 8/9 speed wheel and some saying no need to cold set it, just slip
>it nice and slow. But what about a 10 speed wheel? Any problems doing
>that? I didn't see anything on Mr. Sheldon Brown's website or anywhere
>on here about 10 speed with 126mm rear spacing. Thanks.

8, 9 and 10spd wheels are all 130 OLD.
-------------
Alex

 

[Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman]

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> >
> >
> >I posted this earlier but I guess Google fugged it up and deleted it
> >:-(
> >
> >lot of talk about cold setting a frame that has 126 mm rear spacing to
> >fit a 8/9 speed wheel and some saying no need to cold set it, just slip
> >it nice and slow. But what about a 10 speed wheel? Any problems doing
> >that? I didn't see anything on Mr. Sheldon Brown's website or anywhere
> >on here about 10 speed with 126mm rear spacing. Thanks.
>
> 8, 9 and 10spd wheels are all 130 OLD.

Not if the hubs are intended for an ATB, tandem or other bicycle
designed to take advantage of the stronger wheels that are possible
with wider hub spacing.

If road bikes NOT intended for criterium racing had reasonable length
chain stays they could use 135-mm outside locknut diameter (OLD) hubs
with no problem.

--
Tom Sherman

 

[John Everett]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:37:48 -0500, "Phil, Squid-in-Training"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>John Everett wrote:
>>>>> 10-speed wheels (road) are the same axle width as 8-speed, 130mm.
>>>>> Same facts hold for both. If your current frame is 126mm, and is
>>>>> steel, there should be no problem. If it is aluminum or titanium,
>>>>> it might or might not work, but it's easy enough to test by seeing
>>>>> whether you can get a 130mm wheel in there without straining
>>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> It's been working just fine for years now on my late '80s Trek 1400
>>>> bonded aluminum bike. I didn't "cold set", I just slip in the 130mm
>>>> wheel.
>>>>
>>>> As I've asked here before, have we all forgotten the original Dura
>>>> Ace 8-speed rear hub with the conical lock nuts that assisted in
>>>> snapping the wheel into 126mm rear triangles?
>>>
>>> Do you have a picture?
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3/Pictures/Locknut.jpg
>>
>
>How did that help with short OLDs? I'm not clear on what the difference
>between that DA hub and others are. What does the conical-ness have to do
>with it?

Compare the above with:
http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.aspx?PART_NUM_SUB='1940-28'

or any other Shimano rear cassette hub (other than the early FH-7400).
See the difference? Imagine trying to insert each rear hub in a
slightly too small (by say 4mm) rear triangle. The "conical-ness"
makes a difference.

BTW, what's a "short OLD"?





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