Asics 2100

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I'm not really up on the exact color/height
specifications for a true pair of f-me shoes.

Jenn

Perhaps we at RR can take up a collection, buy you say 10 pairs, and you can
model them for us on netmeat?

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MH said:

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>>>I really love the 2090s. My feet are high arched and narrow and it's
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>hard to
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>>>find shoes that really fit well.
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Well, I do not have flat feet. In fact, if you look at my footprint, it
shows the exact opposite. So, maybe I've mixed up the terms.

Martha

While some generalities you may see on the web may suggest that flat
footed people overpronate and high arched ones supinate, the realities
are that many people don't fit the model - and why I had a terrible time
understanding the concept initially. I have a high arch and severely
overpronate - as diagnosed by a Footmaxx computerized analysis in a
chiropracter's office and visual gait analysis by a physical therapist
experienced with this type analysis - not to mention my own observations.

Yep, the only way you can tell for sure is to get it looked at, and the person
(or computer) doing the looking will probably need to look at your gait in
slow motion (or in the case of the computer, frame by frame with a high frame
rate)

It's very easy to see what's going on if you watch a slow motion video that
zooms in on the back of your feet when running. They had this at the NY
marathon expo and it makes it pretty clear what your feet are doing. If you're
a cushion shoe type, you will see hardly any pronation, if you need stability
or MC shoes you will be able to see pronation quite clearly. If you do have
visible pronation, assessing the extent requires some familiarity with watching
different gaits.

Without watching video footage, it's much harder to see, at least to the
untrained eye. Slowing it down and focusing on the feet really puts ones
footstrike under the microscope.

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more I learned there's a lot a people out there that don't fit the model
(have no idea whether it's a valid model or if it's like max hr
formulas).

The max HR models are "valid" -- they're just not terribly accurate. I suspect
that this model is much the same. A first approximation at best.

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having anything to do with it. The best way is to have someone look at
the way you walk or run, rather than arch height (although obviously
flat-footed people may have trouble in a high-arched shoe).

Not sure if there's such a thing as a high arched shoe -- the midsole could
have a high arch but this can be changed. The shape of the last is an issue
though. A curved last or a last with a very pinched midfoot will give some
flat footed people problems (but most stability shoes don't make lasts in this
shape)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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> It's a long winter, what can I say? Actually there is a great 5
> mile race

on Lake Superior each winter to the Apostle Islands but I won't be
ready for
that this year. <<

Run on the Water in Bayfield? I did it in 1999 and thought it
was fun,
interesting, and different.

Mike

That's the one! I couldn't remember the name of it. I have some
friends who have done it. I like doing "different" races like that
when I can since I run for the fun and don't ever plan on actually
being competitive 🙂
Jenn

i am just wondering as to how durable the 2100's outsole? asics shoes are
notorious for having poor outsole durability. have they improved their
durability with this model?

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i am just wondering as to how durable the 2100's outsole? asics shoes
are notorious for having poor outsole durability. have they improved
their durability with this model?

What do you mean by "outsole durability? "

-DF

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i am just wondering as to how durable the 2100's outsole? asics shoes are
notorious for having poor outsole durability. have they improved their
durability with this model?

What are you on pal? Asics is one of the toughest shoes made.

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JMA said:

I'm not really up on the exact color/height
specifications for a true pair of f-me shoes.

Well, "4 inch red heels" sounds F***Me to me. I thought it was funny
that he specified the shoe color in his email, but god knows what goes
on in boys' heads 🙂

-J

Well, I do know that black patent leather does it for some of them, but
usually that's when accompanied by knee socks and a plaid skirt.

Jenn

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While some generalities you may see on the web may suggest that flat
footed people overpronate and high arched ones supinate, the realities are
that many people don't fit the model - and why I had a terrible time
understanding the concept initially. I have a high arch and severely
overpronate - as diagnosed by a Footmaxx computerized analysis in a
chiropracter's office and visual gait analysis by a physical therapist
experienced with this type analysis - not to mention my own observations.

:
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Ditto, Dot. It's amazing to see the arch-only based advise repeated all
over with barely a hint that it might not be universally applicable. I also
have very high arches and overpronate. My feet also point out (splayed?),
which is related. In the late 70s, before there were so many shoe choices,
I went to a sports doctor with knee trouble and he prescribed pads to lift
the insides of my feet. This makes for smoother leg and foot motion with
less twisting and helped my knees. I've since used modified arch support
cushions to do the same thing. The 2030-2090s have worked well for me over
the last five years, but a few days ago I got talked into a pair of Kayanos
after watching the slow motion treadmill video at a running store of me in
several shoes. The Kayanos feels similar to the 20xxs, with more arch
support. I haven't run enough in them to feel the difference. After
watching the video I am considering experimenting with different running
form to reduce the rolling on landing and takeoff. It looked as though one
foot tends to land off center from my cg, making for more roll than
necessary. That'll wait till after the next marathon.

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That's the one! I couldn't remember the name of it. I have some friends

who have done it. I like doing "different" races like that when I can since
I run for the fun and don't ever plan on actually being competitive 🙂 <<

The Groundhog Underground 5K/10K is held in Kansas City around Groundhog's
Day in a shipping depot or facility that's built into limestone caves. So the
whole thing is underground and the temperature is in the mid-sixties even if
it's single digits outside like it was the year I did it (1996).

Mike

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That's the one! I couldn't remember the name of it. I have some
friends

who have done it. I like doing "different" races like that when I can
since
I run for the fun and don't ever plan on actually being competitive 🙂 <<

The Groundhog Underground 5K/10K is held in Kansas City around
Groundhog's
Day in a shipping depot or facility that's built into limestone caves. So
the
whole thing is underground and the temperature is in the mid-sixties even
if
it's single digits outside like it was the year I did it (1996).

Mike

Sounds interesting! I'll put it on my "to do" list of races.

Jenn

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Last year I ran on a small local lake a few times (snow covered ice) - it's
not bad on a sunny day.

Yes, an ice-covered lake can be an entirely different surface
to run than, say, the rink at Rockefeller Center:-)

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The roads are too dangerous because the snowbanks take away the shoulders,
and the trails are full of snowmobiles.

And where there are shoulders, one doesn´t really care to
run on the snow which tends to be too dotted with yellow
and brown...

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There are plenty of XC ski trails that can be used

No! No! No! Never run on XC ski trails! You may not get
flayed alive - but you´d deserve to be:-)

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but the lakes are less crowded - ice fishermen are easier to avoid because
they just sit in their trucks and their shacks and don't go anywhere.

Oh yes, that marvellous N.American invention, the icefishing
shack! Here they bravely endure the weather, carrying only a
rucksack and a small stool - and (usually) leave the car on
the shore...

Anders

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one doesn´t really care to
run on the snow which tends to be too dotted with yellow
and brown...

Why not? Those spots provide traction.

Anders Lustig said:

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Last year I ran on a small local lake a few times (snow covered

ice) - it's

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not bad on a sunny day.

Yes, an ice-covered lake can be an entirely different surface
to run than, say, the rink at Rockefeller Center:-)

I did it a few times last winter and found it quite pleasant until the
snow became too deep. Then I had to stick to the lakes with snowmobile
trails which are ok in daylight because you can be seen unlike the
trails through the woods.

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There are plenty of XC ski trails that can be used

No! No! No! Never run on XC ski trails! You may not get
flayed alive - but you´d deserve to be:-)

The XC ski area near my house allows snowshoeing on the trails if you
buy a trail pass. Personally, I prefer both XC skiing and snowshoeing
to "snow running" and will be investing in a pair of running snowshoes
this year. We also cleared a few acres of brush this year around the
house so I'm going to make my own trail 🙂

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but the lakes are less crowded - ice fishermen are easier to avoid

because

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they just sit in their trucks and their shacks and don't go

anywhere.

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Oh yes, that marvellous N.American invention, the icefishing
shack! Here they bravely endure the weather, carrying only a
rucksack and a small stool - and (usually) leave the car on
the shore...

Anders

The weekend warriors that inhabit this area tend to compete for the
most elaborate, well-equipped shacks and usually park their pickups and
SUV's right next to them.

Jenn

Anders Lustig said:

Oh yes, that marvellous N.American invention, the icefishing
shack! Here they bravely endure the weather, carrying only a
rucksack and a small stool - and (usually) leave the car on
the shore...

Anders

Now why would you want to do a da*ned thing like leave the car on the
shore 😉 The first sign of spring is when the first vehicle falls
through the ice.

Actually, some lakes have roads plowed on them.

Dot
runners have evolved beyond this stage

--
"The eagle, who believed he was a chicken, wasn't. However, until he
discovered what he was, he was limited to live as one."
-Unknown but quoted from Lisa Butler on ultra list