Bike helmet crushed, but head fine



Curtis L. Russell wrote:

> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:24:54 -0500
> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:25:45 -0500

> The time on my PC and the time on the server are correct as read
> and when you call up the clock. OTOH, the time it feeds to the outside
> world is not correct - we've given up trying to figure out what to do
> about the timeclock attached to my PC, which is an hour off.

Ah. Too bad.


--
E. Dronkert
 
On Wed, 16 May 2007 16:57:07 +0000, Donald Munro
<[email protected]> wrote:

>OTOH perhaps excessive formaldehyde ingestion in a former life causes
>temporal cracks in spacetime around the formaldehyde user.

Current life, best I recall. Mostly it makes your hair hurt and your
eyes react to sunlight pretty much as I expected vampires would. I do
recall that the next work shift seem to go on for days.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
 
On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:31:05 +0000, Donald Munro
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Curtis L. Russell wrote:
>> Current life, best I recall. Mostly it makes your hair hurt
>
>So one may conclude that drinking formaldehyde and having a truck drive
>over your head are relatively equivalent events.

Now that you mention it, yes. Not that I would ever suggest that one
should wear a helmet while drinking, unless you insist on abnormally
high barstools.

OTOH, if we could get the helmet testing standards, maybe Livedrunk(c)
could make some unrelated business income from this. OTOOH, how could
they assess the damage?

During the mini-skirt era, I went the other way. If they had nothing
short enough to sit on, I would just sit on the floor. Next best thing
was driving in a friends Europa through the business district at lunch
hour, when all the secretaries hit the sidewalk. The eyestrain is
probably why I have 20-300 vision, unadjusted.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
 
Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> Blame whatever patch Microsoft put out and seems to have made our time
> odd. The time on my PC and the time on the server are correct as read
> and when you call up the clock. OTOH, the time it feeds to the outside
> world is not correct - we've given up trying to figure out what to do
> about the timeclock attached to my PC, which is an hour off.

Your timezone perhaps. If you were using a civilised OS I'd suggest
looking at /etc/localtime.
OTOH perhaps excessive formaldehyde ingestion in a former life causes
temporal cracks in spacetime around the formaldehyde user.
 
Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> Current life, best I recall. Mostly it makes your hair hurt

So one may conclude that drinking formaldehyde and having a truck drive
over your head are relatively equivalent events.
 
On May 15, 6:23 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> >> Either this guy's head is solid bone or his head wasn't run over.
>
> > Right -- his helmet was run over, not his head. Isn't this obvious?
>
> Of course it's obvious Dan. Like all of us his chin strap has enough play in
> it that when he pulled in his neck the helmet was caught under the wheel of
> the truck. No one can have a truck run over their head and live to tell us
> about it unless there are some extraordinary circumstances.

I thought you believed in miracles. Like Marco Polo sailing to the
North Pole for example.

Bret
 
On 16 May 2007 10:40:34 -0700, Bret <[email protected]> wrote:

>I thought you believed in miracles. Like Marco Polo sailing to the
>North Pole for example.

I, for one, am fully prepared to suspend disbelief in the
non-miraculous, if that helps any.

Curtis L. Russell
Zeno's right, the rabbit never arrives
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Donald Munro <[email protected]> wrote:

> Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> > Blame whatever patch Microsoft put out and seems to have made our time
> > odd. The time on my PC and the time on the server are correct as read
> > and when you call up the clock. OTOH, the time it feeds to the outside
> > world is not correct - we've given up trying to figure out what to do
> > about the timeclock attached to my PC, which is an hour off.
>
> Your timezone perhaps. If you were using a civilised OS I'd suggest
> looking at /etc/localtime.
> OTOH perhaps excessive formaldehyde ingestion in a former life causes
> temporal cracks in spacetime around the formaldehyde user.

The server and Curtis's machine seem to agree on the correction
for UTC, namely -0500. But -0500 is not the difference between UTC
and EST. Still could be a timezone misconfiguration, but my brain
hurts. Couldn't we do some calculus instead?

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NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:01:50 -0500
From: Curtis L. Russell <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Bike helmet crushed, but head fine
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:02:42 -0500

--
Michael Press
 
"Curtis L. Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 15 May 2007 19:26:40 -0700, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> The guy fell into a truck, struck his head on the ground and had a high
>>> speed vehicle pass within fractions of an inch from him. He can be
>>> excused
>>> if he doesn't know what happened.
>>>
>>> It's the dumbass reporter that I think ought to be made a laughing
>>> stock.
>>
>>It's an insult to even use the salute dumbass with a reporter,
>>especially today, to dumbasses averywhere.
>
> Perhaps, but there are many doing a good job. And there are recorded,
> demonstrated examples of cars driving over people at slow motion and
> the person living will relatively little damage

Then by all means cite an example where a car drove over someone's head and
all they got was a concussion.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Curtis L. Russell <[email protected]> wrote:

> OTOH, the REAL humor of this is TK - the relentless 'you weren't
> there' critic - telling us he knows more, much more, than the guy
> under the wheel. That alone is enough for me to believe the guy.
> Completely.

You forget - he worked at a place where they invented gravity. And trucks. And
wheels. And turning. And...

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
 
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> Then by all means cite an example where a car drove over someone's
> head and all they got was a concussion.
>

Once again, the ugly face of reality pokes its head through the looking
glass into Bizarro World:

http://www.local6.com/news/5332296/detail.html

She didn't even get a concussion, probably because she wasn't wearing a
bicycle helmet. The lack of helmet saved her life.

This took about a minute using google and a really lame search string so
there have to be other cases. In fact it's probably quite common an
occurrence. But since you said "an occurrence" I figure this is good
enough. Anyway, you're welcome.

--
Bill Asher
 
On Wed, 16 May 2007 00:23:53 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

>"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>> Either this guy's head is solid bone or his head wasn't run over.
>>
>> Right -- his helmet was run over, not his head. Isn't this obvious?
>
>Of course it's obvious Dan. Like all of us his chin strap has enough play in
>it that when he pulled in his neck the helmet was caught under the wheel of
>the truck. No one can have a truck run over their head and live to tell us
>about it unless there are some extraordinary circumstances.

A veterinarian buddy of mine fixed up a cat whose head had been backed over by
the family car. There were major injuries, broken bones, dislodged eyeballs and
such.

The cat wasn't wearing a helmet.

Ron
 
On 17 May 2007 03:18:05 GMT, William Asher <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Then by all means cite an example where a car drove over someone's
>> head and all they got was a concussion.
>>
>
>Once again, the ugly face of reality pokes its head through the looking
>glass into Bizarro World:
>
>http://www.local6.com/news/5332296/detail.html
>
>She didn't even get a concussion, probably because she wasn't wearing a
>bicycle helmet. The lack of helmet saved her life.
>
>This took about a minute using google and a really lame search string so
>there have to be other cases. In fact it's probably quite common an
>occurrence. But since you said "an occurrence" I figure this is good
>enough. Anyway, you're welcome.

Well, typical TK in that he doesn't read for comprehension. When my
post essentially says that people are run over and live and that means
the 'running over the helmet and lives' falls within possibilities,
well, why go over what everyone but TK understands.

And of course, the mean approach would be to cite the original
article. Which even money or better, TK would miss the humor or irony
or anything else but what he was planning to use as the basis of his
next reply.

OTOH, if you hadn't posted your reference, I would have missed the
comment where Miami Beach passed some rules to make sure 'it would
never happen again' and, of course, it happened again.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
 
On Wed, 16 May 2007 19:11:00 -0700, Howard Kveck
<[email protected]> wrote:

>You forget - he worked at a place where they invented gravity. And trucks. And
>wheels. And turning. And...

Continuing the TR3 reference, one (of many) comments was that if Lucas
had invented gravity, everyone would be used to the occasional car
floating into space. The TR3 worked better in that regard than the
MGB, which combined sketchy Lucas parts with a battery so far from the
engine you could jump it better from the rear with the top down.

Which sounds vaguely perverted which makes it On-Topic for rbr.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
 
Curtis L. Russell wrote:

> On 17 May 2007 03:18:05 GMT, William Asher <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>> Then by all means cite an example where a car drove over someone's
>>> head and all they got was a concussion.
>>>
>>
>>Once again, the ugly face of reality pokes its head through the looking
>>glass into Bizarro World:
>>
>>http://www.local6.com/news/5332296/detail.html
>>
>>She didn't even get a concussion, probably because she wasn't wearing a
>>bicycle helmet. The lack of helmet saved her life.
>>
>>This took about a minute using google and a really lame search string so
>>there have to be other cases. In fact it's probably quite common an
>>occurrence. But since you said "an occurrence" I figure this is good
>>enough. Anyway, you're welcome.
>
> Well, typical TK in that he doesn't read for comprehension. When my
> post essentially says that people are run over and live and that means
> the 'running over the helmet and lives' falls within possibilities,
> well, why go over what everyone but TK understands.
>
> And of course, the mean approach would be to cite the original
> article. Which even money or better, TK would miss the humor or irony
> or anything else but what he was planning to use as the basis of his
> next reply.
>
> OTOH, if you hadn't posted your reference, I would have missed the
> comment where Miami Beach passed some rules to make sure 'it would
> never happen again' and, of course, it happened again.

I'm just trying to get some more threads with my name in the subject line.
That is way cool. It's like total Hollywood. The down side is now when
the phone rings and I don't recognize the number I assume it's the people
who do the stars on Hollywood Boulevard calling to tell me when my star
will be placed and can I come down for the ceremony so I end up talking to
a lot more telemarketers than I used to. Fame is funny that way.

--
Bill Asher
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Curtis L. Russell <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 17 May 2007 03:18:05 GMT, William Asher <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in
> >news:[email protected]:
> >
> >>
> >> Then by all means cite an example where a car drove over someone's
> >> head and all they got was a concussion.
> >>
> >
> >Once again, the ugly face of reality pokes its head through the looking
> >glass into Bizarro World:
> >
> >http://www.local6.com/news/5332296/detail.html
> >
> >She didn't even get a concussion, probably because she wasn't wearing a
> >bicycle helmet. The lack of helmet saved her life.
> >
> >This took about a minute using google and a really lame search string so
> >there have to be other cases. In fact it's probably quite common an
> >occurrence. But since you said "an occurrence" I figure this is good
> >enough. Anyway, you're welcome.
>
> Well, typical TK in that he doesn't read for comprehension. When my
> post essentially says that people are run over and live and that means
> the 'running over the helmet and lives' falls within possibilities,
> well, why go over what everyone but TK understands.
>
> And of course, the mean approach would be to cite the original
> article. Which even money or better, TK would miss the humor or irony
> or anything else but what he was planning to use as the basis of his
> next reply.
>
> OTOH, if you hadn't posted your reference, I would have missed the
> comment where Miami Beach passed some rules to make sure 'it would
> never happen again' and, of course, it happened again.

My first `contribution' to this fun-fest. Could be that the tire
caught the crown of the helmet, and the wearer's head was spit out
like a watermelon seed. Accounts for the survival of the wearer
and the partial damage to the helmet.

--
Michael Press
 
Michael Press wrote:


>
> My first `contribution' to this fun-fest. Could be that the tire
> caught the crown of the helmet, and the wearer's head was spit out
> like a watermelon seed. Accounts for the survival of the wearer
> and the partial damage to the helmet.
>

I proposed this over in rec.bicycles.misc or tech.

I don't know if it's possible or not, but I do believe that his head
could not possibly have been directly under the wheel.

Wayne
 
On May 16, 10:18 pm, William Asher <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote innews:[email protected]:
>
>
>
> > Then by all means cite an example where a car drove over someone's
> > head and all they got was a concussion.
>
> Once again, the ugly face of reality pokes its head through the looking
> glass into Bizarro World:
>
> http://www.local6.com/news/5332296/detail.html

OK. Let's read the pertinent part again:

"Lifeguard Orlando Artiz drove over an embankment and narrowly missed
Gonzalez's friend Daniel Martinez before running over and crushing an
ice chest and then running over Gonzalez's head."

Ice chest (AKA "bicycle helmet") crushed, while the experimental
weight sled vehicle travelled on, passing directly over but not
damaging the human study subject.

Even over a forgiving substrate, without a head in it for
reenforcement, the foam just couldn't take the gaff.

One interpretation of these two the on-pavement experiments is:
comparison shows a possible marked improvement in helmet survivability
when contented with a form-fitting, fluid-filled human skull.

The sample size is a little small for comfort, of course. --D-y
 
"William Asher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Once again, the ugly face of reality pokes its head through the looking
> glass into Bizarro World:
>
> http://www.local6.com/news/5332296/detail.html
>
> She didn't even get a concussion, probably because she wasn't wearing a
> bicycle helmet. The lack of helmet saved her life.
>
> This took about a minute using google and a really lame search string so
> there have to be other cases. In fact it's probably quite common an
> occurrence. But since you said "an occurrence" I figure this is good
> enough. Anyway, you're welcome.

Let me guess - you believe that soft sand and asphalt are equal? So is
Russell your lover or just your butt buddy?
 
"Curtis L. Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> you could jump it better from the rear with the top down.
>
> Which sounds vaguely perverted which makes it On-Topic for rbr.

You seem to be awfully knowledgeable about that sort of thing.
 
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