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Richard Adams
Guest
Ernst Noch wrote:
> Told this just in an interview (and press conference).
> Doesn't say where he is headed.
>
To a better team, no doubt
Phonak?
Gerolsteiner?
Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
> Told this just in an interview (and press conference).
> Doesn't say where he is headed.
>
To a better team, no doubt
Phonak?
Gerolsteiner?
Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
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Bill C
Guest
Ernst Noch wrote:
> Told this just in an interview (and press conference).
> Doesn't say where he is headed.
That's interesting news for sure considering the offer that was
reported he had for after he finished racing with the team too. Can't
say I blame him though.
Bill C
> Told this just in an interview (and press conference).
> Doesn't say where he is headed.
That's interesting news for sure considering the offer that was
reported he had for after he finished racing with the team too. Can't
say I blame him though.
Bill C
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Bill C
Guest
Richard Adams wrote:
> Ernst Noch wrote:
>
> > Told this just in an interview (and press conference).
> > Doesn't say where he is headed.
> >
>
> To a better team, no doubt
>
> Phonak?
> Gerolsteiner?
>
> Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
> the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
Didn't even think of Gerolsteiner where he'd be back with his friend
Udo Bolts. I'd bet they'd love to have him.
Bill C
> Ernst Noch wrote:
>
> > Told this just in an interview (and press conference).
> > Doesn't say where he is headed.
> >
>
> To a better team, no doubt
>
> Phonak?
> Gerolsteiner?
>
> Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
> the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
Didn't even think of Gerolsteiner where he'd be back with his friend
Udo Bolts. I'd bet they'd love to have him.
Bill C
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Bill C wrote:
> That's interesting news for sure considering the offer that was
> reported he had for after he finished racing with the team too. Can't
> say I blame him though.
Maybe he's decided being involved with T-Mobile after he
stops isn't such a good deal after all.
Is the internal structure of T-Mobile likely to change
with Godefroot's retirement?
> That's interesting news for sure considering the offer that was
> reported he had for after he finished racing with the team too. Can't
> say I blame him though.
Maybe he's decided being involved with T-Mobile after he
stops isn't such a good deal after all.
Is the internal structure of T-Mobile likely to change
with Godefroot's retirement?
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sonarrat
Guest
Richard Adams wrote:
> Ernst Noch wrote:
>
>> Told this just in an interview (and press conference).
>> Doesn't say where he is headed.
>>
>
> To a better team, no doubt
>
> Phonak?
> Gerolsteiner?
>
> Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
> the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
I bet he goes to Discovery Channel.
-Sonarrat.
> Ernst Noch wrote:
>
>> Told this just in an interview (and press conference).
>> Doesn't say where he is headed.
>>
>
> To a better team, no doubt
>
> Phonak?
> Gerolsteiner?
>
> Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
> the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
I bet he goes to Discovery Channel.
-Sonarrat.
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Mike Jacoubowsky
Guest
>> Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
>> the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
>
> I bet he goes to Discovery Channel.
I know that Johan (Discovery DS) speaks six languages, but don't recall if
German is one of them. On the other hand, I believe I've heard Zabel speak
passable english.
But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir apparent
is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's thinking the team is
"American enough" if the leading guys are from Eastern Europe. And
Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge from next year.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>> the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
>
> I bet he goes to Discovery Channel.
I know that Johan (Discovery DS) speaks six languages, but don't recall if
German is one of them. On the other hand, I believe I've heard Zabel speak
passable english.
But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir apparent
is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's thinking the team is
"American enough" if the leading guys are from Eastern Europe. And
Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge from next year.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Nev Shea
Guest
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir
> apparent is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's
> thinking the team is "American enough" if the leading guys are from
> Eastern Europe. And Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge
> from next year.
What makes you think the Discovery team cares about having an American hero
or that Americans are going to be caring about bicycle racing any more?
NS
news:[email protected]:
> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir
> apparent is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's
> thinking the team is "American enough" if the leading guys are from
> Eastern Europe. And Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge
> from next year.
What makes you think the Discovery team cares about having an American hero
or that Americans are going to be caring about bicycle racing any more?
NS
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Bob Schwartz
Guest
Mike Jacoubowsky <[email protected]> wrote:
> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir apparent
> is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's thinking the team is
> "American enough" if the leading guys are from Eastern Europe. And
> Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge from next year.
Danielson will be 28 next year. He's a couple of months younger than
Basso. If he's going to win a race or two against real competition,
next year would be a good time to show it.
Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir apparent
> is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's thinking the team is
> "American enough" if the leading guys are from Eastern Europe. And
> Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge from next year.
Danielson will be 28 next year. He's a couple of months younger than
Basso. If he's going to win a race or two against real competition,
next year would be a good time to show it.
Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
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Mike Jacoubowsky
Guest
>> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
>> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir
>> apparent
>> is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's thinking the team
>> is
>> "American enough" if the leading guys are from Eastern Europe. And
>> Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge from next year.
>
> Danielson will be 28 next year. He's a couple of months younger than
> Basso. If he's going to win a race or two against real competition,
> next year would be a good time to show it.
>
> Bob Schwartz
Bob: You're right, my bad, I was thinking he was younger than that. Next
year would be appropriate timing to make it (or not). Too bad we didn't get
to see him show his stuff in the Giro this year.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir
>> apparent
>> is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's thinking the team
>> is
>> "American enough" if the leading guys are from Eastern Europe. And
>> Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge from next year.
>
> Danielson will be 28 next year. He's a couple of months younger than
> Basso. If he's going to win a race or two against real competition,
> next year would be a good time to show it.
>
> Bob Schwartz
Bob: You're right, my bad, I was thinking he was younger than that. Next
year would be appropriate timing to make it (or not). Too bad we didn't get
to see him show his stuff in the Giro this year.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Mike Jacoubowsky
Guest
>> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
>> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir
>> apparent is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's
>> thinking the team is "American enough" if the leading guys are from
>> Eastern Europe. And Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge
>> from next year.
>
> What makes you think the Discovery team cares about having an American
> hero
> or that Americans are going to be caring about bicycle racing any more?
Whether he wants to or not, Lance is tied into Discovery for another year in
some capacity or another. I suspect they'll use him to create as much
interest in the team (from the US) as possible. As for Discovery caring
about an American hero, why the heck not? Don't they have a much larger
installed base of viewers in the US than in Europe?
It may be wishful thinking, but I feel that Armstrong has created a
continuing interest in cycling, at least as it pertains to those who he's
beaten in the past. Ullrich, Basso, maybe even Rasmussen... I know a lot of
my customers are (finally) beginning to realize that the TDF is more than
just Lance Armstrong. Next year I'll be doing my best to create local
interest. We'll see!
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir
>> apparent is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's
>> thinking the team is "American enough" if the leading guys are from
>> Eastern Europe. And Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge
>> from next year.
>
> What makes you think the Discovery team cares about having an American
> hero
> or that Americans are going to be caring about bicycle racing any more?
Whether he wants to or not, Lance is tied into Discovery for another year in
some capacity or another. I suspect they'll use him to create as much
interest in the team (from the US) as possible. As for Discovery caring
about an American hero, why the heck not? Don't they have a much larger
installed base of viewers in the US than in Europe?
It may be wishful thinking, but I feel that Armstrong has created a
continuing interest in cycling, at least as it pertains to those who he's
beaten in the past. Ullrich, Basso, maybe even Rasmussen... I know a lot of
my customers are (finally) beginning to realize that the TDF is more than
just Lance Armstrong. Next year I'll be doing my best to create local
interest. We'll see!
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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sonarrat
Guest
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
>>>the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
>>
>>I bet he goes to Discovery Channel.
>
>
> I know that Johan (Discovery DS) speaks six languages, but don't recall if
> German is one of them. On the other hand, I believe I've heard Zabel speak
> passable english.
>
> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir apparent
> is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's thinking the team is
> "American enough" if the leading guys are from Eastern Europe. And
> Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge from next year.
It's not just that Zabel speaks decent English. He has an image based
on hard work, dedication and the drive to be an ever more complete rider
season by season. He's the kind of rider who could inspire an entire
team if given half the chance.
>>>Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
>>>the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
>>
>>I bet he goes to Discovery Channel.
>
>
> I know that Johan (Discovery DS) speaks six languages, but don't recall if
> German is one of them. On the other hand, I believe I've heard Zabel speak
> passable english.
>
> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir apparent
> is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's thinking the team is
> "American enough" if the leading guys are from Eastern Europe. And
> Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge from next year.
It's not just that Zabel speaks decent English. He has an image based
on hard work, dedication and the drive to be an ever more complete rider
season by season. He's the kind of rider who could inspire an entire
team if given half the chance.
J
juani
Guest
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>> Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
>>> the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
>>
>> I bet he goes to Discovery Channel.
>
> I know that Johan (Discovery DS) speaks six languages, but don't recall
> if German is one of them. On the other hand, I believe I've heard Zabel
> speak passable english.
If Johan doesn't speak German, being Flemish
then it's something wrong with him....
But then again, he acts kinda French...
news:[email protected]...
>>> Everyone on T-Mobile eventually wastes their opportunities working for
>>> the ever fading chances of Jan winning another tour.
>>
>> I bet he goes to Discovery Channel.
>
> I know that Johan (Discovery DS) speaks six languages, but don't recall
> if German is one of them. On the other hand, I believe I've heard Zabel
> speak passable english.
If Johan doesn't speak German, being Flemish
then it's something wrong with him....
But then again, he acts kinda French...
S
Sandy
Guest
Dans le message de news:[email protected],
Mike Jacoubowsky <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> It may be wishful thinking, but I feel that Armstrong has created a
> continuing interest in cycling
Mike, I'd be interested in knowing whether this is a sustained increase in
interest, or whether it is cyclic, settling on the Tour calendar. Are your
sales different over the whole year in the past seven years ?
--
Bonne route !
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
Mike Jacoubowsky <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> It may be wishful thinking, but I feel that Armstrong has created a
> continuing interest in cycling
Mike, I'd be interested in knowing whether this is a sustained increase in
interest, or whether it is cyclic, settling on the Tour calendar. Are your
sales different over the whole year in the past seven years ?
--
Bonne route !
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
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Stig Are M. Botterli
Guest
On 2005-07-31, Kurgan Gringioni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Yep. He knows he could have won it this year.
>
> Circumstances like this year
How about the circumstances of last years TdF? Compared to Zabel, McEwen
missed two sprint finishes, while Hushovd missed three. Zabel was also able
to sprint for second in the stage Virenque won (though he ended 3., beaten
by his good friend Klöden), when only he and O'Grady of the sprinters could
hang on to the group of GC contenders.
Yet, despite these very fortunate circumstances, he STILL ended third in the
points competition behind McEwen and Hushovd.
--
Stig Are M. Botterli
[email protected]
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Yep. He knows he could have won it this year.
>
> Circumstances like this year
How about the circumstances of last years TdF? Compared to Zabel, McEwen
missed two sprint finishes, while Hushovd missed three. Zabel was also able
to sprint for second in the stage Virenque won (though he ended 3., beaten
by his good friend Klöden), when only he and O'Grady of the sprinters could
hang on to the group of GC contenders.
Yet, despite these very fortunate circumstances, he STILL ended third in the
points competition behind McEwen and Hushovd.
--
Stig Are M. Botterli
[email protected]
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RonSonic
Guest
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 03:16:28 GMT, Nev Shea <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
>> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir
>> apparent is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's
>> thinking the team is "American enough" if the leading guys are from
>> Eastern Europe. And Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge
>> from next year.
>
>What makes you think the Discovery team cares about having an American hero
>or that Americans are going to be caring about bicycle racing any more?
Because the sponsors will care.
Ron
>"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
>> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir
>> apparent is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's
>> thinking the team is "American enough" if the leading guys are from
>> Eastern Europe. And Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge
>> from next year.
>
>What makes you think the Discovery team cares about having an American hero
>or that Americans are going to be caring about bicycle racing any more?
Because the sponsors will care.
Ron
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Tom Kunich
Guest
Are you shitting us Mike? Exactly what sort of an American Hero does
Discovery need? Say, another George Hincapie? (Clue - watch the SFGP).
Maybe they need another super climber like Tom Danielson? Or what about
an Americanized eastern European like Poppo?
Discovery need? Say, another George Hincapie? (Clue - watch the SFGP).
Maybe they need another super climber like Tom Danielson? Or what about
an Americanized eastern European like Poppo?
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Tom Kunich
Guest
Mike, you're absolutely correct that Andy Hampsten, Greg LeMond and
Lance Armstrong have created an American awareness of bicycle racing.
The problem is that TV sports couldn't care less. They want to have a
sport in which they set up 5 cameras and that's all the effort the
production staff has to make.
Let's face it, they are willing to put GOLF (the sport of old farts and
fags) on TV for hours rather than buy European coverage of bicycle
racing.
Lance Armstrong have created an American awareness of bicycle racing.
The problem is that TV sports couldn't care less. They want to have a
sport in which they set up 5 cameras and that's all the effort the
production staff has to make.
Let's face it, they are willing to put GOLF (the sport of old farts and
fags) on TV for hours rather than buy European coverage of bicycle
racing.
G
gds
Guest
Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Let's face it, they are willing to put GOLF (the sport of old farts and
> fags) on TV for hours rather than buy European coverage of bicycle
> racing.
I imagine that the fact that there are lots more folks in the US
interested in watching golf than cycling has something to do with it.
That is not a value laden statement, just an observation.
And I would imagine that the TV folks would be very willing to set up
anyting if there were sponsors willing to foot the bill.
>
> Let's face it, they are willing to put GOLF (the sport of old farts and
> fags) on TV for hours rather than buy European coverage of bicycle
> racing.
I imagine that the fact that there are lots more folks in the US
interested in watching golf than cycling has something to do with it.
That is not a value laden statement, just an observation.
And I would imagine that the TV folks would be very willing to set up
anyting if there were sponsors willing to foot the bill.
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Jonathan v.d. Sluis
Guest
"RonSonic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 03:16:28 GMT, Nev Shea <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
>>> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir
>>> apparent is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's
>>> thinking the team is "American enough" if the leading guys are from
>>> Eastern Europe. And Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge
>>> from next year.
>>
>>What makes you think the Discovery team cares about having an American
>>hero
>>or that Americans are going to be caring about bicycle racing any more?
>
> Because the sponsors will care.
>
> Ron
But Discovery Channel also has European interests. Their sponsorship of a
pro cycling team might be aimed at that market rather than the US.
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 03:16:28 GMT, Nev Shea <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> But if it's a serious question, I don't think Zabel is much help for
>>> Discovery's most-desperate need- an American hero. I know the heir
>>> apparent is supposedly Popyvich, but I just can't see American's
>>> thinking the team is "American enough" if the leading guys are from
>>> Eastern Europe. And Danielson's a bit young to expect anything huge
>>> from next year.
>>
>>What makes you think the Discovery team cares about having an American
>>hero
>>or that Americans are going to be caring about bicycle racing any more?
>
> Because the sponsors will care.
>
> Ron
But Discovery Channel also has European interests. Their sponsorship of a
pro cycling team might be aimed at that market rather than the US.
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