hot rod freewheel/sun race



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Ernie

Guest
I just bought a Sunrace 13-24 freewheel with ramped cogs to replace
the crappy old Epoch 13-24 freewheel that had a lot of play in it and
was making an intermittent clicking noise while pedaling. The Sunrace
appears to be really low end as well and has play in it out of the
box. btw, the shiny silver plating you see in the pics looks more
like dull galvanized pipe silver.

This sun race makes the shimano hg-20 look like campy record. I would
like to know if I can take the Sun Race cogs and put them on the hg 20
body. Yes I know there are hg 20's for sale, but not in 13-24. Or
can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts well
with Nouvo Record.

thanks for anyhelp

Ernie
 
A

A Muzi

Guest
Ernie wrote:
> I just bought a Sunrace 13-24 freewheel with ramped cogs to replace
> the crappy old Epoch 13-24 freewheel that had a lot of play in it and
> was making an intermittent clicking noise while pedaling. The Sunrace
> appears to be really low end as well and has play in it out of the
> box. btw, the shiny silver plating you see in the pics looks more
> like dull galvanized pipe silver.
>
> This sun race makes the shimano hg-20 look like campy record. I would
> like to know if I can take the Sun Race cogs and put them on the hg 20
> body. Yes I know there are hg 20's for sale, but not in 13-24. Or
> can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts well
> with Nouvo Record.


IRD has a new line of mid price freewheels including 7 speed 13~24.
Vintage sevens abound in 13~23, some 13~24 still.


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
 
C

Chalo

Guest
Ernie wrote:
> Or can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts
> well with Nouvo Record.


Nuovo Record is not a good place to start if decent shifting is at all
important to you.

Chalo
 
Q

Qui si parla Campagnolo

Guest
On Mar 16, 10:10 pm, A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ernie wrote:
> > I just bought a Sunrace 13-24 freewheel with ramped cogs to replace
> > the crappy old Epoch 13-24 freewheel that had a lot of play in it and
> > was making an intermittent clicking noise while pedaling. The Sunrace
> > appears to be really low end as well and has play in it out of the
> > box. btw, the shiny silver plating you see in the pics looks more
> > like dull galvanized pipe silver.

>
> > This sun race makes the shimano hg-20 look like campy record. I would
> > like to know if I can take the Sun Race cogs and put them on the hg 20
> > body. Yes I know there are hg 20's for sale, but not in 13-24. Or
> > can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts well
> > with Nouvo Record.

>
> IRD has a new line of mid price freewheels including 7 speed 13~24.
> Vintage sevens abound in 13~23, some 13~24 still.
>
> --
> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Have you tried these yet Andy? We have been bit a couple of times with
stuff from Merry-the crappy brakes, a Campag compatible cogset that
was made off center...we hesitate to get any...
 
Q

Qui si parla Campagnolo

Guest
On Mar 17, 2:58 am, "Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ernie wrote:
> > Or can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts
> > well with Nouvo Record.

>
> Nuovo Record is not a good place to start if decent shifting is at all
> important to you.
>
> Chalo


I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
Record RD...friction shifters. Cyclists have become lazy with all the
automatic shifting these days. Once upon a time you never heard a
customer say, 'adjust my rear derailleur'.
 
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- Bob -

Guest
On 17 Mar 2007 06:41:54 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
>a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
>Record RD...friction shifters. Cyclists have become lazy with all the
>automatic shifting these days. Once upon a time you never heard a
>customer say, 'adjust my rear derailleur'.


If you put on some Simplex retro-friction levers, the old stuff shift
nicely.
 
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:08:35 GMT, - Bob - <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 17 Mar 2007 06:41:54 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
>>a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
>>Record RD...friction shifters. Cyclists have become lazy with all the
>>automatic shifting these days. Once upon a time you never heard a
>>customer say, 'adjust my rear derailleur'.

>
>If you put on some Simplex retro-friction levers, the old stuff shift
>nicely.
>


Kids these days do not realise that shifting used to be a _skill_, and
that's a shame.

Part of the fun of cycling is doing it well; parts that click are just
the dumbing-down of cycling.
 
J

jim beam

Guest
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:08:35 GMT, - Bob - <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 17 Mar 2007 06:41:54 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
>>> a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
>>> Record RD...friction shifters. Cyclists have become lazy with all the
>>> automatic shifting these days. Once upon a time you never heard a
>>> customer say, 'adjust my rear derailleur'.

>> If you put on some Simplex retro-friction levers, the old stuff shift
>> nicely.
>>

>
> Kids these days do not realise that shifting used to be a _skill_, and
> that's a shame.
>
> Part of the fun of cycling is doing it well; parts that click are just
> the dumbing-down of cycling.
>

kids these days don't realize that driving a car used to be a _skill_,
and that's a shame.

part of the fun of driving is doing it well; manipulating those funny
little levers on the steering wheel to adjust the ignition timing,
having to steer to the right when braking because the rod brakes throw
to the car to the left, using tires that puncture every few hundred
miles... parts that work are the dumbing-down of driving.
 
O

Ozark Bicycle

Guest
On Mar 17, 7:41 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Mar 17, 2:58 am, "Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ernie wrote:
> > > Or can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts
> > > well with Nouvo Record.

>
> > Nuovo Record is not a good place to start if decent shifting is at all
> > important to you.

>
> > Chalo

>
> I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
> a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
> Record RD...friction shifters.



Just as an experiment, try replacing the 980 (temporarily) with any
modern RD, keeping the same FW, chain and levers. Is the shifting a
bit more precise?


Also, IIRC, the C-Record had a bit different geometry than the NR/SR
(and the 980?). I also recall that those old Campy RDs were designed
to work best with a laterally stiff chain.
 
O

Ozark Bicycle

Guest
On Mar 17, 10:25 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:08:35 GMT, - Bob - <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On 17 Mar 2007 06:41:54 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:

>
> >>I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
> >>a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
> >>Record RD...friction shifters. Cyclists have become lazy with all the
> >>automatic shifting these days. Once upon a time you never heard a
> >>customer say, 'adjust my rear derailleur'.

>
> >If you put on some Simplex retro-friction levers, the old stuff shift
> >nicely.

>
> Kids these days do not realise that shifting used to be a _skill_, and
> that's a shame.
>
> Part of the fun of cycling is doing it well; parts that click are just
> the dumbing-down of cycling.


And many of 'em are wearing helmts, too!!! Oh, THE HORROR!!!!!
 
O

Ozark Bicycle

Guest
On Mar 17, 10:51 am, jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:08:35 GMT, - Bob - <[email protected]>
> > wrote:

>
> >> On 17 Mar 2007 06:41:54 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> >>> I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
> >>> a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
> >>> Record RD...friction shifters. Cyclists have become lazy with all the
> >>> automatic shifting these days. Once upon a time you never heard a
> >>> customer say, 'adjust my rear derailleur'.
> >> If you put on some Simplex retro-friction levers, the old stuff shift
> >> nicely.

>
> > Kids these days do not realise that shifting used to be a _skill_, and
> > that's a shame.

>
> > Part of the fun of cycling is doing it well; parts that click are just
> > the dumbing-down of cycling.

>
> kids these days don't realize that driving a car used to be a _skill_,
> and that's a shame.
>
> part of the fun of driving is doing it well; manipulating those funny
> little levers on the steering wheel to adjust the ignition timing,
> having to steer to the right when braking because the rod brakes throw
> to the car to the left, using tires that puncture every few hundred
> miles... parts that work are the dumbing-down of driving.


LOL!!
 
B

- Bob -

Guest
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:51:55 -0700, jim beam
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>

>kids these days don't realize that driving a car used to be a _skill_,
>and that's a shame.
>
>part of the fun of driving is doing it well; manipulating those funny
>little levers on the steering wheel to adjust the ignition timing,
>having to steer to the right when braking because the rod brakes throw
>to the car to the left, using tires that puncture every few hundred
>miles... parts that work are the dumbing-down of driving.


There are those who appreciate the early days of both cycling and
motoring when everything wasn't done for you by automated mechanism.

Automatic traction control, engine management by computer, GPS
systems, the general public needs that to cope: they panic when a
wheel breaks free, they don't know why an engine needs a choke, they
can't read a map. Likewise, they need indexed shifting because they
can't handle friction - it requires learning and finesse - and they
want to just "go". Heaven forbid they should spend time actually
learning.

I don't dis-enjoy hopping in the Lexus that parks itself when I'm on
my way out to the theater in long coat and tails for the evening, but
I much more enjoy a warm sunny day in tee-shirt and shorts with the
top down, the engine purring through the gears, and throttle steering
through the corners.

Oh, yeah, and like my friction shifting too.
 
C

Chalo

Guest
Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > Nuovo Record is not a good place to start if decent shifting is at all
> > important to you.

>
> I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
> a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
> Record RD...friction shifters. Cyclists have become lazy with all the
> automatic shifting these days. Once upon a time you never heard a
> customer say, 'adjust my rear derailleur'.


Skill and finesse... whatever. I say they don't shift worth a damn.

Indexing has nothing to do with it. Put a hideous Tourney derailleur
and Hyperglide freewheel on one of those old friction-shifting bikes
and it will work /much/ better than the ineptly designed Nuovo Record
derailleur (which seems to be intended to work best with an
18-18-18-18-18 "straight block").

Chalo
 
O

Ozark Bicycle

Guest
On Mar 17, 12:08 pm, "Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>
>
> > Chalo wrote:

>
> > > Nuovo Record is not a good place to start if decent shifting is at all
> > > important to you.

>
> > I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
> > a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
> > Record RD...friction shifters. Cyclists have become lazy with all the
> > automatic shifting these days. Once upon a time you never heard a
> > customer say, 'adjust my rear derailleur'.

>
> Skill and finesse... whatever. I say they don't shift worth a damn.


That's about the size of it.......


>
> Indexing has nothing to do with it. Put a hideous Tourney derailleur
> and Hyperglide freewheel on one of those old friction-shifting bikes
> and it will work /much/ better than the ineptly designed Nuovo Record
> derailleur (which seems to be intended to work best with an
> 18-18-18-18-18 "straight block").
>


In fairness, the NR/SR RD was designed for a half-step arrangement
(e.g., a 52/46 crank) in the front and something like a 14-24 5SP in
the rear. The real problem was Campy's unwillingness to make the
design more suitable for modern crossover drivetrains. At least until
Shimano and the threat of bankruptcy dragged them into modern times.
 
A

A Muzi

Guest
>> Ernie wrote:
>>> I just bought a Sunrace 13-24 freewheel with ramped cogs to replace
>>> the crappy old Epoch 13-24 freewheel that had a lot of play in it and
>>> was making an intermittent clicking noise while pedaling. The Sunrace
>>> appears to be really low end as well and has play in it out of the
>>> box. btw, the shiny silver plating you see in the pics looks more
>>> like dull galvanized pipe silver.
>>> This sun race makes the shimano hg-20 look like campy record. I would
>>> like to know if I can take the Sun Race cogs and put them on the hg 20
>>> body. Yes I know there are hg 20's for sale, but not in 13-24. Or
>>> can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts well
>>> with Nouvo Record.


> A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
>> IRD has a new line of mid price freewheels including 7 speed 13~24.
>> Vintage sevens abound in 13~23, some 13~24 still.



Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> Have you tried these yet Andy? We have been bit a couple of times with
> stuff from Merry-the crappy brakes, a Campag compatible cogset that
> was made off center...we hesitate to get any...


Yes, we have. Not a bargain in that they are not twice the quality of a
$25 freewheel but they do offer more sizes in 5, 6, 7.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
 
A

A Muzi

Guest
>> Ernie wrote:
>>> Or can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts
>>> well with Nouvo Record.


> "Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Nuovo Record is not a good place to start if decent shifting is at all
>> important to you.


Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
> a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
> Record RD...friction shifters. Cyclists have become lazy with all the
> automatic shifting these days. Once upon a time you never heard a
> customer say, 'adjust my rear derailleur'.


I hear you. My best bike has a mid-60s steel Svelto. It only has to push
the chain from one sprocket to another. It does that as well as
anything. . .

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
 
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A Muzi

Guest
>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
>>> a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
>>> Record RD...friction shifters. Cyclists have become lazy with all the
>>> automatic shifting these days. Once upon a time you never heard a
>>> customer say, 'adjust my rear derailleur'.


> - Bob - <[email protected]> wrote:
>> If you put on some Simplex retro-friction levers, the old stuff shift
>> nicely.


[email protected] wrote:
> Kids these days do not realise that shifting used to be a _skill_, and
> that's a shame.
> Part of the fun of cycling is doing it well; parts that click are just
> the dumbing-down of cycling.


'Dumbing down'? Some folks consider syncromesh gearboxes 'sissy' too.

Nothing _wrong_ with modern gearing. Nothing wrong with classic either.
Heck, multiple gears aren't even necessary to enjoy cycling, or even to
get to work on a bike every day. Find something you like and ride it.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
 
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Boostland

Guest
"A Muzi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>>> Ernie wrote:
>>>> I just bought a Sunrace 13-24 freewheel with ramped cogs to replace
>>>> the crappy old Epoch 13-24 freewheel that had a lot of play in it and
>>>> was making an intermittent clicking noise while pedaling. The Sunrace
>>>> appears to be really low end as well and has play in it out of the
>>>> box. btw, the shiny silver plating you see in the pics looks more
>>>> like dull galvanized pipe silver.
>>>> This sun race makes the shimano hg-20 look like campy record. I would
>>>> like to know if I can take the Sun Race cogs and put them on the hg 20
>>>> body. Yes I know there are hg 20's for sale, but not in 13-24. Or
>>>> can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts well
>>>> with Nouvo Record.

>
>> A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> IRD has a new line of mid price freewheels including 7 speed 13~24.
>>> Vintage sevens abound in 13~23, some 13~24 still.

>
>
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>> Have you tried these yet Andy? We have been bit a couple of times with
>> stuff from Merry-the crappy brakes, a Campag compatible cogset that
>> was made off center...we hesitate to get any...

>
> Yes, we have. Not a bargain in that they are not twice the quality of a
> $25 freewheel but they do offer more sizes in 5, 6, 7.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971


It's a pity that there is none available with 12 as the smallest gear.

I am still racing on 7 speeds on my cheap Aldi bike and have suntour superbe
pro hubs that are currently running a 7 speed Malliard 12 to 18 freewheel.
 
Q

Qui si parla Campagnolo

Guest
On Mar 17, 11:18 am, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 17, 7:41 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 17, 2:58 am, "Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > > Ernie wrote:
> > > > Or can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts
> > > > well with Nouvo Record.

>
> > > Nuovo Record is not a good place to start if decent shifting is at all
> > > important to you.

>
> > > Chalo

>
> > I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
> > a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
> > Record RD...friction shifters.

>
> Just as an experiment, try replacing the 980 (temporarily) with any
> modern RD, keeping the same FW, chain and levers. Is the shifting a
> bit more precise?


Except the slant parallogram dimension needs a huge amount of lever
travel to move it...When I got a custom Mondonico, along with my
Merckx, I put on a respaced 9s cogset onto a Centaur rear hub(used
Campag 8s spacers, a Sram chain), a Centaur RD, big barrell C-Record
retrofriction shifters(the right has a big barrell so the lever
doesn't have to travel all the way back to get to bigger
cogs...Campag's answer to 8s when they thought that maybe click
shifting wouldn't catch on) and it didn't shift as well as my Merckx
with C-Record RD, same freewheel..........
>
> Also, IIRC, the C-Record had a bit different geometry than the NR/SR
> (and the 980?). I also recall that those old Campy RDs were designed
> to work best with a laterally stiff chain.


Not really different geometry, just a new look...

The 'new' click stuff works fine but are really 'necessary' for only
three riding groups-
-beginners
-racers(only cuz they ALL have it)
-mountain bikes

for everybody else it is in the 'nice to have' catagory...I don't
race, I am not a beginner and I haven't owned a MTB since 1993.....
 
E

Ernie

Guest
On Mar 18, 5:55?am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Mar 17, 11:18 am, "Ozark Bicycle"
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 7:41 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:

>
> > > On Mar 17, 2:58 am, "Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > > > Ernie wrote:
> > > > > Or can anyone reccommend a modest cost 7speed freewheel that shifts
> > > > > well with Nouvo Record.

>
> > > > Nuovo Record is not a good place to start if decent shifting is at all
> > > > important to you.

>
> > > > Chalo

>
> > > I have a Campag 980 on my Gunnar rain bike,just installed it and with
> > > a little shifting skill and finesse, it shifts great, as does my C-
> > > Record RD...friction shifters.

>
> > Just as an experiment, try replacing the 980 (temporarily) with any
> > modern RD, keeping the same FW, chain and levers. Is the shifting a
> > bit more precise?

>
> Except the slant parallogram dimension needs a huge amount of lever
> travel to move it...When I got a custom Mondonico, along with my
> Merckx, I put on a respaced 9s cogset onto a Centaur rear hub(used
> Campag 8s spacers, a Sram chain), a Centaur RD, big barrell C-Record
> retrofriction shifters(the right has a big barrell so the lever
> doesn't have to travel all the way back to get to bigger
> cogs...Campag's answer to 8s when they thought that maybe click
> shifting wouldn't catch on) and it didn't shift as well as my Merckx
> with C-Record RD, same freewheel..........
>
>
>
> > Also, IIRC, the C-Record had a bit different geometry than the NR/SR
> > (and the 980?). I also recall that those old Campy RDs were designed
> > to work best with a laterally stiff chain.

>
> Not really different geometry, just a new look...
>
> The 'new' click stuff works fine but are really 'necessary' for only
> three riding groups-
> -beginners
> -racers(only cuz they ALL have it)
> -mountain bikes
>
> for everybody else it is in the 'nice to have' catagory...I don't
> race, I am not a beginner and I haven't owned a MTB since 1993.....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



Thanks for all the input. I'm using this on my GIOS Aerodynamic.
Some newer rider with big checkbook told me he was just so amazed that
I was fiddling with my shifers with my hands off the bars in a big
pack at 25 mph. They look at my 42 small ring and go "OMG!" It's
hard to explain to them it's just the way it used to be. Guess none
of these people know what a paperboy is either.

Back to one of my original question.....is it possible to put those
sun race cogs on a shimano hg20 body or any freewheel body other than
sunrace.

thanks,
Ernie