I don't make this stuff up you know.

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
of you who know give it a day so others can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or MA2s?
And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
narrowest and lightest at the time.

Greg

Charles Ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them down
to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum mountain
rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat diameter and
mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those of you who
know give it a day so others can read this.

I don't know if that is true or not. Its not like they hold records on
who's the first at that stuff. Sounds reasonable and plausible enough
though so I think you've proven yourself on this one.

--

"G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
of you who know give it a day so others can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or MA2s?
And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
narrowest and lightest at the time.

Greg

I'm pretty sure they were MA40s. I wanted a pair, but on a college student
budget, couldn't afford them.

M

G.T. said:

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
of you who know give it a day so others can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or
MA2s? And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were
just the narrowest and lightest at the time.

I know of Bontrager producing and selling cut down MA2s, taking 36
hole 700c rims and cutting them down to 32 hole 26" rims. In fact
some of those just went to auction on eBay a few weeks ago. However,
I could see KB doing some trial runs with dumpster dived Super Champs.

On Mon, 03 May 2004 22:18:28 GMT, "G.T." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
of you who know give it a day so others can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or MA2s?
And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
narrowest and lightest at the time.

Greg

they were, i believe, MA40's, cut down from 36h to 32h and rerolled...
'87? - Ъ×

"G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
of you who know give it a day so others can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or MA2s?
And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
narrowest and lightest at the time.

Greg

It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims were
re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's, when mountain
bikes were hitting their stride), but within a couple of years Mavic
was producing mountain bike (559mm BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40
versions. I watched a few pass through the warehouse where I worked
1987 to 1989.

I built up a couple of Araya 7X aluminum mountain bike rims in 1980,
so I know that they date back well before Keith's experiments.

Jeff

Tim McNamara said:

"G.T." <[email hidden]> writes:

I know of Bontrager producing and selling cut down MA2s, taking 36
hole 700c rims and cutting them down to 32 hole 26" rims. In fact
some of those just went to auction on eBay a few weeks ago. However,
I could see KB doing some trial runs with dumpster dived Super Champs.

36/40*622 is a lot closer to 559 than 32/36*622.

"Jeff Wills" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
of you who know give it a day so others can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a

troll.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or

MA2s?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
narrowest and lightest at the time.

Greg

It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims were
re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's, when mountain
bikes were hitting their stride), but within a couple of years Mavic
was producing mountain bike (559mm BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40
versions. I watched a few pass through the warehouse where I worked
1987 to 1989.

Yes, I still ride MA-2 559mms: http://www.2fortheroad.net/bikes.html,

Greg

G.T. ([email hidden]) wrote:

: "Jeff Wills" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: news:[email hidden]...
: > "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: news:<[email hidden]>...
: > > charles ramsey wrote:
: > > > Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
: > > > simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
: > > > new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
: > > > down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
: > > > mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
: > > > diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
: > > > of you who know give it a day so others can read this.
: > >
: > > Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a
: troll.
: > >
: > > And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or
: MA2s?
: > > And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
: > > narrowest and lightest at the time.
: > >
: > > Greg
: >
: > It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims were
: > re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's, when mountain
: > bikes were hitting their stride), but within a couple of years Mavic
: > was producing mountain bike (559mm BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40
: > versions. I watched a few pass through the warehouse where I worked
: > 1987 to 1989.
: >

: Yes, I still ride MA-2 559mms: http://www.2fortheroad.net/bikes.html,

I notice that Sheldon Brown has some 559mm MA2s listed
on the Harris cyclery web site:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims.html

-Ken

Jeff Wills said:

It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims were
re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's, when mountain
bikes were hitting their stride), but within a couple of years Mavic
was producing mountain bike (559mm BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40
versions. I watched a few pass through the warehouse where I worked
1987 to 1989.

Bontrager re-rolled some MA-2 (or MA-40?) rims himself, then he
got Mavic to make him some (I think), then Mavic started selling
559mm versions themselves. He's posted about this to r.b.tech
in the distant past.

Quoted message said:

I built up a couple of Araya 7X aluminum mountain bike rims in 1980,
so I know that they date back well before Keith's experiments.

I think the distinction was that his were the first relatively
narrow, relatively lightweight 559mm rims; many MTB rims of the
time were single-wall and heavy. Were the Araya 7X rims
box-section? The Araya RM-20 is a box section from the mid-late
80s, but is rather broader and heavier than an MA-2.

"Ken Ferschweiler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

G.T. ([email hidden]) wrote:

: Yes, I still ride MA-2 559mms: http://www.2fortheroad.net/bikes.html,

I notice that Sheldon Brown has some 559mm MA2s listed
on the Harris cyclery web site:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims.html

Bummer, 28 hole only. I could build some cheap roller wheels, though.

Greg

Benjamin Weiner <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<4097d0fd$1@darkstar>...

Quoted message said:

Jeff Wills <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snippedy>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I built up a couple of Araya 7X aluminum mountain bike rims in 1980,
so I know that they date back well before Keith's experiments.

I think the distinction was that his were the first relatively
narrow, relatively lightweight 559mm rims; many MTB rims of the
time were single-wall and heavy. Were the Araya 7X rims
box-section? The Araya RM-20 is a box section from the mid-late
80s, but is rather broader and heavier than an MA-2.

7X rims of that day weren't box-section. They were twin-tubular, with
a single wall around the spoke bed. Rather broad and heavy by today's
standards, but they were killer stuff in the early '80's. I think
they were standard equipment on the original Stumpjumpers.

Face it- *everything* is broader and heavier than the 559mm MA-2's,
except perhaps the Matrix "Aero" rims that came stock on a couple
Treks.

(FWIW: I've got a couple of the Matrix rims sitting in my garage.
36-spoke. One of these days I'll build a bike around 'em.)

Jeff the Freaky Parts Collector