C
G
Ride-A-Lot wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > What I wrote and what you claim I'm apparently amazed by aren't
> > anything close to the same thing.
> >
> > Try again?
> >
>
> You're not going to get anywhere here. I've tried in similar
> conversations and it's pointless. Let it rest.
I'm familiar.
E.P.
> [email protected] wrote:
> > What I wrote and what you claim I'm apparently amazed by aren't
> > anything close to the same thing.
> >
> > Try again?
> >
>
> You're not going to get anywhere here. I've tried in similar
> conversations and it's pointless. Let it rest.
I'm familiar.
E.P.
J
jack
Guest
"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> jack wrote:
> > Every time you praise the Titus brand as superior to all
> > others
>
> Why don't yuu try putting words in the mouth of someone else? In fact,
> since you are such a great historian, why don't you post where I praise
> Titus as "superior to all others"?
>
> JD
>
Rephrase:
"Comparing bikes made for marketing
and design companies to Titus is ridiculous."
From Titus website:
"Nobody likes issues with durability and I can assure you that I like them
less than anyone. We build bikes because we love bikes and never want to
have anything happen to you or the precious work of art you're riding. Your
safety is our top priority. We go through an extensive level of design,
prototyping and testing on each of our models to ensure that you are getting
the best bike for your category of riding. We ride and test these bikes day
in and day out to make sure that our bikes stand the test of time. It's a
reputation we've worked hard to earn and one that we know you'll appreciate
when riding your Titus bike."
Yep, Titus did a real good marketing job on those deadly frames. I think
"Your safety is our top priority" is a nice touch. To bad these are only
empty words as evidenced by the CPSC RECALL.
You're right Titus can't be compared to other "marketing and design
companies". They're worst. Their motivation is greed, otherwise the CPSC
RECALL would never have happened.
news:[email protected]...
>
> jack wrote:
> > Every time you praise the Titus brand as superior to all
> > others
>
> Why don't yuu try putting words in the mouth of someone else? In fact,
> since you are such a great historian, why don't you post where I praise
> Titus as "superior to all others"?
>
> JD
>
Rephrase:
"Comparing bikes made for marketing
and design companies to Titus is ridiculous."
From Titus website:
"Nobody likes issues with durability and I can assure you that I like them
less than anyone. We build bikes because we love bikes and never want to
have anything happen to you or the precious work of art you're riding. Your
safety is our top priority. We go through an extensive level of design,
prototyping and testing on each of our models to ensure that you are getting
the best bike for your category of riding. We ride and test these bikes day
in and day out to make sure that our bikes stand the test of time. It's a
reputation we've worked hard to earn and one that we know you'll appreciate
when riding your Titus bike."
Yep, Titus did a real good marketing job on those deadly frames. I think
"Your safety is our top priority" is a nice touch. To bad these are only
empty words as evidenced by the CPSC RECALL.
You're right Titus can't be compared to other "marketing and design
companies". They're worst. Their motivation is greed, otherwise the CPSC
RECALL would never have happened.
J
JD
Guest
jack wrote:
> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > jack wrote:
> > > Every time you praise the Titus brand as superior to all
> > > others
> >
> > Why don't yuu try putting words in the mouth of someone else? In fact,
> > since you are such a great historian, why don't you post where I praise
> > Titus as "superior to all others"?
> >
> > JD
> >
>
> Rephrase:
>
> "Comparing bikes made for marketing
> and design companies to Titus is ridiculous."
I still don't see where that is saying that Titus is "superior to all
others". Do you have some kind of learning disability? Comparing
Titus to marketing and design companies is ridiculous because Titus
BUILDS BIKES. How many santa cruds or smellsworthlessnesses have been
built at their own fabrication facilities this year? Apples and
oranges.
> Yep, Titus did a real good marketing job on those deadly frames.
Either you need to check the dictionary before you post in the future,
or show some proof that someone died on one of those "deadly" frames.
Better yet, keep waving your arms, jumping up and down, and dry-humping
the air. It's pretty funny.
JD
> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > jack wrote:
> > > Every time you praise the Titus brand as superior to all
> > > others
> >
> > Why don't yuu try putting words in the mouth of someone else? In fact,
> > since you are such a great historian, why don't you post where I praise
> > Titus as "superior to all others"?
> >
> > JD
> >
>
> Rephrase:
>
> "Comparing bikes made for marketing
> and design companies to Titus is ridiculous."
I still don't see where that is saying that Titus is "superior to all
others". Do you have some kind of learning disability? Comparing
Titus to marketing and design companies is ridiculous because Titus
BUILDS BIKES. How many santa cruds or smellsworthlessnesses have been
built at their own fabrication facilities this year? Apples and
oranges.
> Yep, Titus did a real good marketing job on those deadly frames.
Either you need to check the dictionary before you post in the future,
or show some proof that someone died on one of those "deadly" frames.
Better yet, keep waving your arms, jumping up and down, and dry-humping
the air. It's pretty funny.
JD
G
GWood
Guest
Dunno about that. Subies AWD transfer power to the non-slipping wheels, so
staying down on throttle is just going to allow the break to continue or get
the grip wheels to break. I have tried this with my 2001 Forester, and it
works just so.
But all this comparison about various exotic (or Subie ;-) ) cars is kinda
moot. Hell, I drove early 90's Honda Civics on snow-covered rural roads in
eastern Canada for most of my adult life. 5" clearance in 10" of snow is
never good. How to do it? Drive real slow and careful. Who cares about
the relative cornering/horsepower of Audis, Porches and such in those
conditions. Over throttle ANYTHING but a snowplow and you're likely to end
up in a ditch or worse.
Sorry, I realize the [exotic car / snow conditions] portion of this thread
is down another path, but it's just too much work to go find it. Besides,
wanted to add my totally OT ovservation about Subies and breaking free...
"Coyoteboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Last thing you want to do with a 4x4 is let off if the rear breaks -
> far better to keep the power smoothly on and pull it out of it. It can
> be fun - i choose large open carparks (beware of hidden drainage
> channels lol)
>
> J
>
staying down on throttle is just going to allow the break to continue or get
the grip wheels to break. I have tried this with my 2001 Forester, and it
works just so.
But all this comparison about various exotic (or Subie ;-) ) cars is kinda
moot. Hell, I drove early 90's Honda Civics on snow-covered rural roads in
eastern Canada for most of my adult life. 5" clearance in 10" of snow is
never good. How to do it? Drive real slow and careful. Who cares about
the relative cornering/horsepower of Audis, Porches and such in those
conditions. Over throttle ANYTHING but a snowplow and you're likely to end
up in a ditch or worse.
Sorry, I realize the [exotic car / snow conditions] portion of this thread
is down another path, but it's just too much work to go find it. Besides,
wanted to add my totally OT ovservation about Subies and breaking free...
"Coyoteboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Last thing you want to do with a 4x4 is let off if the rear breaks -
> far better to keep the power smoothly on and pull it out of it. It can
> be fun - i choose large open carparks (beware of hidden drainage
> channels lol)
>
> J
>
C
Coyoteboy
Guest
GWood wrote:
> Dunno about that. Subies AWD transfer power to the non-slipping wheels, so
> staying down on throttle is just going to allow the break to continue or get
> the grip wheels to break. I have tried this with my 2001 Forester, and it
> works just so.
>
Decent AWDs (such as the scoobs (AFAIK), alltrac, porsche) use torsen
LSD's that require *some* torque (relatively small amounts) to be
present on the traction-free wheel in order to transfer power to the
grippy wheel - without that torque the diff is effectively an open
diff. At low throttle the broken wheel will provide very little
reaction force to lock the LSD (because it is sliding sideways and
being pushed along by the ground). With a gentle throttle down
situation , im led to believe, the reaction torque from the forward
spinning motion against the (however slight) traction of the snow
enables the diff to lock up transfering a percentage of the torque to
the other wheel.
A car with open diffs is at a disadvantage to start with and letting up
is about your only useful reaction (hoping the ceased spinning will
enable better lateral traction).
Your Forester, unless modified, uses open diffs front and rear and a
viscous centre. Therefore doesnt actually transfer torque to the
non-spinning wheel on each axle - it will shift power end to end (the
centre diff will send torque to slowest axle) but at each axle its open
diff'd so the torque will go to the wheel with least traction.Naturally
this is a balancing act and 9/10 times its better to let off.
The Porsche, some alltracs etc will run LSDs on each axle as well as
the centre, and so will act as you say - transferign power to the most
effective wheel, but require some torque at the slipping wheels - hence
the need to power on to get grip on the other wheels.
J
> Dunno about that. Subies AWD transfer power to the non-slipping wheels, so
> staying down on throttle is just going to allow the break to continue or get
> the grip wheels to break. I have tried this with my 2001 Forester, and it
> works just so.
>
Decent AWDs (such as the scoobs (AFAIK), alltrac, porsche) use torsen
LSD's that require *some* torque (relatively small amounts) to be
present on the traction-free wheel in order to transfer power to the
grippy wheel - without that torque the diff is effectively an open
diff. At low throttle the broken wheel will provide very little
reaction force to lock the LSD (because it is sliding sideways and
being pushed along by the ground). With a gentle throttle down
situation , im led to believe, the reaction torque from the forward
spinning motion against the (however slight) traction of the snow
enables the diff to lock up transfering a percentage of the torque to
the other wheel.
A car with open diffs is at a disadvantage to start with and letting up
is about your only useful reaction (hoping the ceased spinning will
enable better lateral traction).
Your Forester, unless modified, uses open diffs front and rear and a
viscous centre. Therefore doesnt actually transfer torque to the
non-spinning wheel on each axle - it will shift power end to end (the
centre diff will send torque to slowest axle) but at each axle its open
diff'd so the torque will go to the wheel with least traction.Naturally
this is a balancing act and 9/10 times its better to let off.
The Porsche, some alltracs etc will run LSDs on each axle as well as
the centre, and so will act as you say - transferign power to the most
effective wheel, but require some torque at the slipping wheels - hence
the need to power on to get grip on the other wheels.
J
C
Coyoteboy
Guest
GWood wrote:
> Dunno about that. Subies AWD transfer power to the non-slipping wheels, so
Side note in addition to my other reply, the STI and later spec'd WRX's
have limited slips and so this is true, but otherwise this isnt the
case.
J
> Dunno about that. Subies AWD transfer power to the non-slipping wheels, so
Side note in addition to my other reply, the STI and later spec'd WRX's
have limited slips and so this is true, but otherwise this isnt the
case.
J
M
MattB
Guest
Coyoteboy wrote:
> GWood wrote:
>
>>Dunno about that. Subies AWD transfer power to the non-slipping wheels, so
>
>
>
> Side note in addition to my other reply, the STI and later spec'd WRX's
> have limited slips and so this is true, but otherwise this isnt the
> case.
>
> J
>
My 04 Forester XT has an LSD too. It's also a manual, so the anti-slip
stuff works a little differently than the auto. Give it some gas and I
can get the rear to start swinging out, and let up a little and it drops
back in line nicely. I like doing it on snow covered dirt roads in the
backcountry when nobody else is around.
It's really fun and has power to spare (by most standards).
Matt
> GWood wrote:
>
>>Dunno about that. Subies AWD transfer power to the non-slipping wheels, so
>
>
>
> Side note in addition to my other reply, the STI and later spec'd WRX's
> have limited slips and so this is true, but otherwise this isnt the
> case.
>
> J
>
My 04 Forester XT has an LSD too. It's also a manual, so the anti-slip
stuff works a little differently than the auto. Give it some gas and I
can get the rear to start swinging out, and let up a little and it drops
back in line nicely. I like doing it on snow covered dirt roads in the
backcountry when nobody else is around.
It's really fun and has power to spare (by most standards).
Matt
J
jack
Guest
"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> jack wrote:
> > "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > jack wrote:
> > > > Every time you praise the Titus brand as superior to all
> > > > others
> > >
> > > Why don't yuu try putting words in the mouth of someone else? In
fact,
> > > since you are such a great historian, why don't you post where I
praise
> > > Titus as "superior to all others"?
> > >
> > > JD
> > >
> >
> > Rephrase:
> >
> > "Comparing bikes made for marketing
> > and design companies to Titus is ridiculous."
>
>
> I still don't see where that is saying that Titus is "superior to all
> others". Do you have some kind of learning disability? Comparing
> Titus to marketing and design companies is ridiculous because Titus
> BUILDS BIKES. How many santa cruds or smellsworthlessnesses have been
> built at their own fabrication facilities this year? Apples and
> oranges.
Well Titus was blaming their frame building subcontractor for the "Deadly
Frame". If you telling me that's wrong then the customer service
departments are liers and the Titus fabricators are incompetent.
Oh yeah, how many Santa Cruz and Ellsworth frames have ever been recalled by
the CPSC.
>
> > Yep, Titus did a real good marketing job on those deadly frames.
>
>
> Either you need to check the dictionary before you post in the future,
> or show some proof that someone died on one of those "deadly" frames.
I stand by the use of "deadly"
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deadly
>
> Better yet, keep waving your arms, jumping up and down, and dry-humping
> the air. It's pretty funny.
Likewise.
Just face it. Titus is a greedy company whose bean counters justified the
selling those of deady frame was worth the risk, for the bigger profit, to
the management. Management went for it. Management was just to cheap to
get a good hired gun to bury the CPSC recall.
Make sure you copy all I said so you can repost whenever you glorify Tits R
Us.
I'm done on this subject.
Dry-humper
news:[email protected]...
>
> jack wrote:
> > "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > jack wrote:
> > > > Every time you praise the Titus brand as superior to all
> > > > others
> > >
> > > Why don't yuu try putting words in the mouth of someone else? In
fact,
> > > since you are such a great historian, why don't you post where I
praise
> > > Titus as "superior to all others"?
> > >
> > > JD
> > >
> >
> > Rephrase:
> >
> > "Comparing bikes made for marketing
> > and design companies to Titus is ridiculous."
>
>
> I still don't see where that is saying that Titus is "superior to all
> others". Do you have some kind of learning disability? Comparing
> Titus to marketing and design companies is ridiculous because Titus
> BUILDS BIKES. How many santa cruds or smellsworthlessnesses have been
> built at their own fabrication facilities this year? Apples and
> oranges.
Well Titus was blaming their frame building subcontractor for the "Deadly
Frame". If you telling me that's wrong then the customer service
departments are liers and the Titus fabricators are incompetent.
Oh yeah, how many Santa Cruz and Ellsworth frames have ever been recalled by
the CPSC.
>
> > Yep, Titus did a real good marketing job on those deadly frames.
>
>
> Either you need to check the dictionary before you post in the future,
> or show some proof that someone died on one of those "deadly" frames.
I stand by the use of "deadly"
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deadly
>
> Better yet, keep waving your arms, jumping up and down, and dry-humping
> the air. It's pretty funny.
Likewise.
Just face it. Titus is a greedy company whose bean counters justified the
selling those of deady frame was worth the risk, for the bigger profit, to
the management. Management went for it. Management was just to cheap to
get a good hired gun to bury the CPSC recall.
Make sure you copy all I said so you can repost whenever you glorify Tits R
Us.
I'm done on this subject.
Dry-humper
C
Coyoteboy
Guest
MattB wrote:
> My 04 Forester XT has an LSD too. It's also a manual, so the anti-slip
> stuff works a little differently than the auto. Give it some gas and I
> can get the rear to start swinging out, and let up a little and it drops
> back in line nicely. I like doing it on snow covered dirt roads in the
> backcountry when nobody else is around.
> It's really fun and has power to spare (by most standards).
>
> Matt
Yup yup, the XT is the detuned STI, and shares some of the performance
enhancements Autos are aweful in snow (my brothers Legacy AWD twin
turbo was a testiment to that), always good to have a manual
I wasnt talking 'drive to the shops' driving style "oooh give it a
bit..oooh its slipping let off" - i was considering the porsche vid
where you have full countersteering going on. Every car will break away
initially and regain from a slight let-up if you havent passed a
certain angle (different from car to car), when being driven at normal
speeds. I was talking when you pass the point where you begin to get
lift-off oversteer - if you let off at that point you get to see your
**** pretty quick (part way through the Porsche vid this is the case,
he's pretty sideways). Lift-off regaining of traction only occurs when
the angle of rear end swing is quite small (although it might well feel
like its at 90 degrees!). Mine is the same, try really swinging on it,
if you power up and counter steer a tad you get far more speed out of
the corner and slide nicely round, if you let up then you do a nice 180
and then wait for the ABS to plant you **** first in a hedge
Dont the modern upper end subes have full on traction control too,
soft-cuts the ignition if any corner breaks away?
J
> My 04 Forester XT has an LSD too. It's also a manual, so the anti-slip
> stuff works a little differently than the auto. Give it some gas and I
> can get the rear to start swinging out, and let up a little and it drops
> back in line nicely. I like doing it on snow covered dirt roads in the
> backcountry when nobody else is around.
> It's really fun and has power to spare (by most standards).
>
> Matt
Yup yup, the XT is the detuned STI, and shares some of the performance
enhancements
Autos are aweful in snow (my brothers Legacy AWD twinturbo was a testiment to that), always good to have a manual
I wasnt talking 'drive to the shops' driving style "oooh give it a
bit..oooh its slipping let off" - i was considering the porsche vid
where you have full countersteering going on. Every car will break away
initially and regain from a slight let-up if you havent passed a
certain angle (different from car to car), when being driven at normal
speeds. I was talking when you pass the point where you begin to get
lift-off oversteer - if you let off at that point you get to see your
**** pretty quick (part way through the Porsche vid this is the case,
he's pretty sideways). Lift-off regaining of traction only occurs when
the angle of rear end swing is quite small (although it might well feel
like its at 90 degrees!). Mine is the same, try really swinging on it,
if you power up and counter steer a tad you get far more speed out of
the corner and slide nicely round, if you let up then you do a nice 180
and then wait for the ABS to plant you **** first in a hedge
Dont the modern upper end subes have full on traction control too,
soft-cuts the ignition if any corner breaks away?
J
G
Coyoteboy wrote:
> Every car will break away
> initially and regain from a slight let-up if you havent passed a
> certain angle (different from car to car), when being driven at normal
> speeds.
Ooooh, wait a minute! Those older Porsches I was mentioning aren't
like that at all - once you get oversteer, lifting will get you more!
If rear is slipping at all, you just have to keep your foot in it, or
you'll be swapping ends.
Seen it, done it, been there.
E.P.
> Every car will break away
> initially and regain from a slight let-up if you havent passed a
> certain angle (different from car to car), when being driven at normal
> speeds.
Ooooh, wait a minute! Those older Porsches I was mentioning aren't
like that at all - once you get oversteer, lifting will get you more!
If rear is slipping at all, you just have to keep your foot in it, or
you'll be swapping ends.
Seen it, done it, been there.
E.P.
R
Ride-A-Lot
Guest
jack wrote:
>
> Just face it. Titus is a greedy company whose bean counters justified the
> selling those of deady frame was worth the risk, for the bigger profit, to
> the management. Management went for it. Management was just to cheap to
> get a good hired gun to bury the CPSC recall.
>
> Make sure you copy all I said so you can repost whenever you glorify Tits R
> Us.
>
> I'm done on this subject.
>
> Dry-humper
>
>
And what do your ride, Jack? Huh?
--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws
>
> Just face it. Titus is a greedy company whose bean counters justified the
> selling those of deady frame was worth the risk, for the bigger profit, to
> the management. Management went for it. Management was just to cheap to
> get a good hired gun to bury the CPSC recall.
>
> Make sure you copy all I said so you can repost whenever you glorify Tits R
> Us.
>
> I'm done on this subject.
>
> Dry-humper
>
>
And what do your ride, Jack? Huh?
--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws
C
Coyoteboy
Guest
[email protected] wrote:
> Ooooh, wait a minute! Those older Porsches I was mentioning aren't
> like that at all - once you get oversteer, lifting will get you more!
> If rear is slipping at all, you just have to keep your foot in it, or
> you'll be swapping ends.
>
> Seen it, done it, been there.
>
> E.P.
Yup, the angle-of-no-return tends to vary depending on tyres and
suspension setups - modern cars tend to be very forgiving! Most
'normal' cars are setup for understeer, its apparently easier to get
out of an understeer situation than oversteer, personally i dont like
the idea of going straight on when i turn lol.
If forgot to mention,the whole point of LSDs and the reason they are on
performance cars are to give traction and control when one wheel spins
(normally due to lifting of the inner rear wheel on a track on hard
corners). I'll see if i can dig up a better explanation of the
techniques tomorrow when im awake
Either way it takes a lot of skill to control a car that's lost it in
snow - thats why all your fancy traction control systems in mercs and
BMWs that make them run on rails normally just flash a little light and
cry HELP when you hit snow and loose traction at all corners lol. Not
ideal when you hit something slippy while you were pushing the car
beyond your control but within the control of the TC system - if it
lets go, you no longer have a chance.
I still say id rather write off a subaru than a porsche lol.
J
> Ooooh, wait a minute! Those older Porsches I was mentioning aren't
> like that at all - once you get oversteer, lifting will get you more!
> If rear is slipping at all, you just have to keep your foot in it, or
> you'll be swapping ends.
>
> Seen it, done it, been there.
>
> E.P.
Yup, the angle-of-no-return tends to vary depending on tyres and
suspension setups - modern cars tend to be very forgiving! Most
'normal' cars are setup for understeer, its apparently easier to get
out of an understeer situation than oversteer, personally i dont like
the idea of going straight on when i turn lol.
If forgot to mention,the whole point of LSDs and the reason they are on
performance cars are to give traction and control when one wheel spins
(normally due to lifting of the inner rear wheel on a track on hard
corners). I'll see if i can dig up a better explanation of the
techniques tomorrow when im awake
Either way it takes a lot of skill to control a car that's lost it in
snow - thats why all your fancy traction control systems in mercs and
BMWs that make them run on rails normally just flash a little light and
cry HELP when you hit snow and loose traction at all corners lol. Not
ideal when you hit something slippy while you were pushing the car
beyond your control but within the control of the TC system - if it
lets go, you no longer have a chance.
I still say id rather write off a subaru than a porsche lol.
J
G
Coyoteboy wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Ooooh, wait a minute! Those older Porsches I was mentioning aren't
> > like that at all - once you get oversteer, lifting will get you more!
> > If rear is slipping at all, you just have to keep your foot in it, or
> > you'll be swapping ends.
> >
> > Seen it, done it, been there.
> >
> > E.P.
>
> Yup, the angle-of-no-return tends to vary depending on tyres and
> suspension setups - modern cars tend to be very forgiving! Most
> 'normal' cars are setup for understeer, its apparently easier to get
> out of an understeer situation than oversteer, personally i dont like
> the idea of going straight on when i turn lol.
I agree 100%
I like a front-engine, RWD car in the snow. Completely predictable.
BMWs are about the best snow cars made, IMO.
Nice thing about my Audis - when traction devices are required 'round
these parts, my cars get a pass with all-seasons on, if they are M+S
rated. No chains, LOL.
E.P.
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Ooooh, wait a minute! Those older Porsches I was mentioning aren't
> > like that at all - once you get oversteer, lifting will get you more!
> > If rear is slipping at all, you just have to keep your foot in it, or
> > you'll be swapping ends.
> >
> > Seen it, done it, been there.
> >
> > E.P.
>
> Yup, the angle-of-no-return tends to vary depending on tyres and
> suspension setups - modern cars tend to be very forgiving! Most
> 'normal' cars are setup for understeer, its apparently easier to get
> out of an understeer situation than oversteer, personally i dont like
> the idea of going straight on when i turn lol.
I agree 100%
I like a front-engine, RWD car in the snow. Completely predictable.
BMWs are about the best snow cars made, IMO.
Nice thing about my Audis - when traction devices are required 'round
these parts, my cars get a pass with all-seasons on, if they are M+S
rated. No chains, LOL.
E.P.
J
JD
Guest
jack wrote:
> the CPSC.
You sound like a broken record that was recalled by the CPSC because it
had sharp edges and therefore considered "deadly".
> I stand by the use of "deadly"
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deadly
I take my previous statement back. You sound more like some kind of
sensationalist media drone, using words that conjure up certain images
that barely relate to the what they describe and are designed to sell
hype.
I wrote:
> > Better yet, keep waving your arms, jumping up and down, and dry-humping
> > the air. It's pretty funny.
and you parroted:
> Likewise.
Reads: "I know you are, but what am I?"
A childish response at best. How typical of a 'net leg-latcher.
> Just face it. Titus is a greedy company whose bean counters justified the
> selling those of deady frame was worth the risk, for the bigger profit, to
> the management.
*yawn* Oh yeah there's that "deadly" word again.
> Dry-humper
Mimicry is one of the highest forms of flattery. Sorry, I don't swing
that way fella.
JD
> the CPSC.
You sound like a broken record that was recalled by the CPSC because it
had sharp edges and therefore considered "deadly".
> I stand by the use of "deadly"
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deadly
I take my previous statement back. You sound more like some kind of
sensationalist media drone, using words that conjure up certain images
that barely relate to the what they describe and are designed to sell
hype.
I wrote:
> > Better yet, keep waving your arms, jumping up and down, and dry-humping
> > the air. It's pretty funny.
and you parroted:
> Likewise.
Reads: "I know you are, but what am I?"
A childish response at best. How typical of a 'net leg-latcher.
> Just face it. Titus is a greedy company whose bean counters justified the
> selling those of deady frame was worth the risk, for the bigger profit, to
> the management.
*yawn* Oh yeah there's that "deadly" word again.
> Dry-humper
Mimicry is one of the highest forms of flattery. Sorry, I don't swing
that way fella.
JD
C
Coyoteboy
Guest
Coyoteboy wrote:
> I'm 6'1, 200lbs. I like bombing down hardcore dried river beds
> occasionally and riding normal, fairly harsh XC routes the rest of the
> time. Is there a bike that fits this catagory? My old 5 inch bouncer is
> just too heavy at 18Kg and doesnt uphill very well. I've been tempted
> by going back to hardtail but im not sure i can be bothered with
> worrying about the rear all the time and last time i had a hardtail
> some of the more punishing trails locally would give nasty rim damage
> no matter how well i tried to lift the rear.
>
> What im asking is "is there a bike (or, more specifically, frame)that
> covers all ground reasonably?" am i gonna have to pick one type of bike
> and save for a second lol.
OK so i was considering the NRS frameset, not sure whether the
composite side is worth it apart from the drool factor (being nearly 3
times the price!). Anyone similar to me had any experience with it?
I've heard two things - a) it flexes, but only one person has said this
and b)its a harsh ride.
J
> I'm 6'1, 200lbs. I like bombing down hardcore dried river beds
> occasionally and riding normal, fairly harsh XC routes the rest of the
> time. Is there a bike that fits this catagory? My old 5 inch bouncer is
> just too heavy at 18Kg and doesnt uphill very well. I've been tempted
> by going back to hardtail but im not sure i can be bothered with
> worrying about the rear all the time and last time i had a hardtail
> some of the more punishing trails locally would give nasty rim damage
> no matter how well i tried to lift the rear.
>
> What im asking is "is there a bike (or, more specifically, frame)that
> covers all ground reasonably?" am i gonna have to pick one type of bike
> and save for a second lol.
OK so i was considering the NRS frameset, not sure whether the
composite side is worth it apart from the drool factor (being nearly 3
times the price!). Anyone similar to me had any experience with it?
I've heard two things - a) it flexes, but only one person has said this
and b)its a harsh ride.
J
C
Coyoteboy
Guest
Coyoteboy wrote:
to me had any experience with it?
> I've heard two things - a) it flexes, but only one person has said this
> and b)its a harsh ride.
>
After them im thinking AC1 frame or a Coiler frame.
J
to me had any experience with it?
> I've heard two things - a) it flexes, but only one person has said this
> and b)its a harsh ride.
>
After them im thinking AC1 frame or a Coiler frame.
J