Rates cuts are coming! It's June 25, 2003



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Hein-Verbruggen said:
Stay tuned. The mark to market pricing of credit paper will be a big surprise for Q3, September 30, 2008. Risk dumping is NOT good for transparency nor confidence. More brutal unwinding over the next year and years.

We have a Global Market put, a margin call on the world credit markets.

Whatever USA economy does---the world will follow. USA gets the flu, Europe goes into coma. We won WWII and rule Wall Street. The USA comsumes most of all foreign wares. Nobody does anything without the USA blood-for-Oil-wars, credit consumption or CDO spinning.

Rates will fall. No doubt whatsoever.

1) Discount rate will be dropped into alignment with fed finds rate.
2) Both rates will be slashed over the coming year
3) 2008 recession will moderated as a resut of central bank policies in all countries, Wall Street & main street will get busy again.
4) low rates provide the steroid & trauma care needed to counter the fraud.
5) real estate valuation will decline, excess inventory and no more Liar Loans
6) enjoy your dreams of independence Cranky
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limerickman said:
None of which has any bearing on interest rate policy as set by the various central banks, Hein.

Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearn : they've no input to the setting of interest rates
by the ECB, Fed, BoE.




I never suggested that interest rate policies did invent cheating etc.

I suggested that low interest rates were the catalyst - the first step in the supply chain if you will - promoting reckless lending to people who were never in a position to repay those loans.
And the security for those loans was offset by using instruments such as CDO's being transacted in the financial markets.

CDO's nominal value is predicated upon the loan being repaid.
If interest rates were had been kept at a realistic level - cheap credit/dodgy loans would not have been widespread and loans/CDO's would never have been issued.




Yes, the hedge funds do have a problem.
And yes, the banking system has a problem because banks are not prepared to loan money to other banks - because visibility as to the extent of who's holding what worthless paper is opaque to say the least.

But let's be clear : interest rates policy in Euroland and Britain is set in the context of inflation these days.
At the time of writing, Europe and britain have set their interest rate policy on the basis that the respective economies are performing well and that the only real threat to these economies is inflation.

You appear to have a fundamental misunderstanding, hein.
If what is going on in the financial markets was of concern either in Euroland or britain - the BoE wouldn't have increased the inter-bank rate for liquidity
given to banks who are struggling, above the general interest rate.
Mervyn King would have dropped the overall interest rate.
The ECB would have dropped it's rate as well.
Neither institution did and all indications show that the recent round of interest rate policy (increases/static) will continue.

The US on the other hand has a different set of problems : to sustain it's economic performance requires the Fed to drop rates to hold off what many consider to be a real threat of recesssion.
That's why the Fed dropped it's rate a few days ago.
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Hein-Verbruggen said:
It is what it is, GRIM. Put whatever spin on it you must, just like denying doping in TV-based sport or your personal favorite doper.

The EKG for global credit markets is sick. ICU trauma ill. Life support must be applied. The present pulse rate is that of a gravely ill patient.

Here is the EKG reads (annual yield quotes) for last August 2007 on the 90 day T-Bill, the safest known investment on the planet earth.

August 8, 2007 4.95%
August 20, 2007 3.07%
August 27, 2007 4.58% (discount rate cut and CDOs offerred for collateral)
August 30, 2007 3.80% (more fed guidance demanded)
September 5, 2007 4.47% (Euro bank trouble noted, ECB will react)

These historic wild variations on such a stable investment prove that institutional investors (big banks, brokers, hedge funds, pensions) have NO CLUE whatsoever as to what is safe in the marketplace. They lack confidence and are waiting for yet more steroids from central bankers or they will revent back into panic mode.

You were told. Look for ECB to get on board soon with the fed and lower rates. As the USA economy goes--all others must follow.
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Hein-Verbruggen said:
It is what it is, GRIM. Put whatever spin on it you must, just like denying doping in TV-based sport or your personal favorite doper.

The EKG for global credit markets is sick. ICU trauma ill. Life support must be applied. The present pulse rate is that of a gravely ill patient.

Here is the EKG reads (annual yield quotes) for last August 2007 on the 90 day T-Bill, the safest known investment on the planet earth.

August 8, 2007 4.95%
August 20, 2007 3.07%
August 27, 2007 4.58% (discount rate cut and CDOs offerred for collateral)
August 30, 2007 3.80% (more fed guidance demanded)
September 5, 2007 4.47% (Euro bank trouble noted, ECB will react)

These historic wild variations on such a stable investment prove that institutional investors (big banks, brokers, hedge funds, pensions) have NO CLUE whatsoever as to what is safe in the marketplace. They lack confidence and are waiting for yet more steroids from central bankers or they will revent back into panic mode.

You were told. Look for ECB to get on board soon with the fed and lower rates. As the USA economy goes--all others must follow.
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Just watching the US interest rate, the ever depreciating dollar - a flight to safety would seem to be on the cards.

The EURO is appreciating strongly on the currency markets.
EURO value appreciation is weighted more toward to the weakness of the dollar and sterling, rather than an inherent EURO strength.

It might just be the case that the ultimate safe haven in all of this - could well be gold.

Watch that commodity price.
 
Hein-Verbruggen said:
Lim: Never look into the rear view mirror for future course changes and we're all in this global financial mess together. Money center banks know no borders anymore, nor do Swiss or Cayman secrecy rules. The future of residential real estate is a pain cave. Deflation is the next shoe to drop.

Inflation is something to worry about in a full employment wonderland. Going forward, England & Europe will have unemployment issues and deflation.

All central bankers will meet secretly and hold hands. Rate cutting will be measured and uniform, but the direction will be straight downward. Everyone will climb on board. (The USA cannot sell Treasury Bills, Notes & Bonds w/o European support) Wall Street & the US fiscal deficit must and will be rescued. Main street will follow--some of them anyway. This squabble will be resolved before the UCI/ASO food fights.

Just as I predicted the ubiquitous nature of doping in pro cycling, I have now correctly telegraphed the global recession of 2008-2009.

The good news for SUV owners is that the blood-for-oil program will result in lower prices at the pump and heating oil for those trapped in a Winter chill.
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ECB cuts it's interest rate today.

The inflation rate, which is the centrepiece of the ECB's (and BOE's) interest rate strategy, as pointed out here in August 2007, has fallen in the last few months.





Jan. 15 (Bloomberg) -- The European Central Bank cut its benchmark interest rate by half a percentage point to 2 percent, matching a record low, as the deepening recession pressed policy makers into action.

The reduction, the fourth in as many months, was in line with the median forecast of 60 economists in a Bloomberg News survey.
The rate was last at this level between 2003 and 2005. The Frankfurt-based central bank, which took charge of monetary policy in 1999, will reduce the benchmark to 1.5 percent in March, another survey of economists shows.

President Jean-Claude Trichet said last month there’s a limit to how far the ECB can cut rates and refused to give any signal for January, suggesting he favored a pause.
At the same time, the economy of the 16 euro nations is deteriorating more rapidly than the ECB anticipated as the global financial crisis hurts exports, damps spending and threatens credit ratings in the region.

“The ECB really had little option but to act again given the clear, widespread evidence that the euro-zone recession is deepening,” said Howard Archer, chief European economist at IHS Global Insight in London. “We suspect that the ECB will trim interest rates further in February and bring them down to 1 percent by mid-2009.”

The euro dropped almost a cent to $1.3087 after the decision. Trichet holds a press conference at 2:30 p.m.

Lagging The Fed

The ECB still has the highest rates among the Group of Seven industrialized nations. The U.S. Federal Reserve, the Bank of England and the Swiss central bank have cut borrowing costs more aggressively as the world’s largest economies slide simultaneously into recession for the first time since World War II.

The Bank of England on Jan. 8 reduced its main lending rate to 1.5 percent, the lowest since it was founded in 1694. The Fed last month lowered its key rate to a target range of zero to 0.25 percent. Japanese and Swiss rates are also close to zero. Canada’s rate is at 1.5 percent.

The ECB has reduced its benchmark by 225 basis points since early October. Last month it lowered the rate by 75 points, its biggest step ever.

Trichet told journalists on Dec. 15 the bank was focused on making sure its easing to date flowed through to the economy. It wanted to avoid being “trapped” with rates that are “too low,” he said. Executive Board member Juergen Stark said on Dec. 10 the scope for further moves was “very limited.”

Credit Rating Cut

The faltering economy is hurting budgets in some euro-region countries. Standard & Poor’s yesterday lowered Greece’s sovereign credit rating one notch to A-, saying the financial crisis has “exacerbated an underlying loss of competitiveness.”

European confidence has plunged to the lowest on record, industrial production posted it biggest annual drop in 18 years in November and unemployment rose to 7.8 percent in November, a two- year high.

The German economy, Europe’s largest, may have contracted as much as 2 percent in the fourth quarter, the country’s statistics office said yesterday. That would be the biggest slump in more than two decades.

“Economic data has been catastrophic,” said Karsten Junius, senior economist at Dekabank in Frankfurt and co-author of a book on the ECB. If policy makers had cut interest rates by 25 basis points or left them unchanged, “they would have made fools of themselves.”

Slower Inflation

Some council members had signaled a willingness to lower borrowing costs further. ECB Vice President Lucas Papademos and Portugal’s Vitor Constancio both said this month that lower rates may be warranted if the inflation rate drops too far below 2 percent, the bank’s definition of price stability.

The rate declined to 1.6 percent in December.

The ECB last month forecast inflation would average 1.4 percent this year and 1.8 percent in 2010. It predicted the economy would contract 0.5 percent in 2009 before rebounding to expand 1 percent in 2010.

“Risks to the economic forecasts are not only to the downside, they’re also increasing,” said Nick Kounis, chief European economist at Fortis in Amsterdam. Trichet “needs to recognize that in the press conference.”

The shadow ECB council, a group of economists that monitors the central bank, said on Jan. 13 that a half-point reduction in rates may not be enough and called for a full percentage point cut. A worsening recession increases the risk of “excessive disinflation,” and this should be as much a concern to the ECB as inflation above its target, the economists said.



And the FT reports :

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0f1cc64c-e2f5-11dd-a5cf-0000779fd2ac.html

At the same time, eurozone inflation has dropped rapidly. Ahead of the ECB’s announcement, December’s inflation rate was confirmed at 1.6 per cent – the lowest for more than two years.

The ECB is more concerned about longer-term inflation trends.
Unlike in the US, financial markets have not priced in deflation in the eurozone – but they do expect inflation to be weak for some time.


The ECB aims to keep the annual eurozone inflation rate “below but close” to 2 per cent.
On average last year, eurozone inflation was 3.3 per cent – by far the worst year since the launch of the euro in 1999
 
Hein-Verbruggen said:
Stay tuned. The mark to market pricing of credit paper will be a big surprise for Q3, September 30, 2008. Risk dumping is NOT good for transparency nor confidence. More brutal unwinding over the next year and years.

We have a Global Market put, a margin call on the world credit markets.

Whatever USA economy does---the world will follow. USA gets the flu, Europe goes into coma. We won WWII and rule Wall Street. The USA comsumes most of all foreign wares. Nobody does anything without the USA blood-for-Oil-wars, credit consumption or CDO spinning.

Rates will fall. No doubt whatsoever.

1) Discount rate will be dropped into alignment with fed finds rate.
2) Both rates will be slashed over the coming year
3) 2008 recession will moderated as a resut of central bank policies in all countries, Wall Street & main street will get busy again.
4) low rates provide the steroid & trauma care needed to counter the fraud.
5) real estate valuation will decline, excess inventory and no more Liar Loans
6) enjoy your dreams of independence Cranky
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Hein-Verbruggen said:
Huh? What T-Mobile crack are smoking now Crankhead?

Treasury sales remain essential to fund the global blood-for-oil war, Medicare and SSI entitlements.

Because Jean Claude Trichet & Ben Bernanke are a team---BOTH will lower rates and redeem junk CDOs. (central bankers must stick together)

As I have alreay written many times.

You won't pass my class at this rate.
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limerickman said:
Just watching the US interest rate, the ever depreciating dollar - a flight to safety would seem to be on the cards.

The EURO is appreciating strongly on the currency markets.
EURO value appreciation is weighted more toward to the weakness of the dollar and sterling, rather than an inherent EURO strength.

It might just be the case that the ultimate safe haven in all of this - could well be gold.

Watch that commodity price.

Unlike several vague and plainly wrong predictions made here by others, it looks like the prediction I made about GOLD prices and the rush to safety three weeks ago is coming to fruition.

FT published this today :

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/359da604-f6d4-11dd-8a1f-0000779fd2ac.html

Bullion sales hit record in rush to safety
By Javier Blas in London
Published: February 9 2009 18:16 | Last updated: February 9 2009 18:16

Investors are buying record amounts of gold bars and coins, shunning risky assets for the relative safety of bullion amid renewed fears about the health of the global financial system.

The US Mint sold 92,000 ounces of its popular American Eagle coin last month, almost four times that which it sold a year ago and more than it shipped during the whole of the first half of 2007.

Other countries’ mints have also reported strong sales.
“Large purchases of coins are perhaps the ultimate sign of safe-haven gold buying,” said John Reade, a precious metals strategist at UBS.
Inflows into gold-backed exchange traded funds surged in January, pushing their bullion holdings to an all-time high of 1,317 tonnes. Last month’s flows of 105 tonnes were above September’s previous record of 104 tonnes, and absorbed about half the world’s gold mine output for January, said Barclays Capital.

“We estimate that investment demand [into gold] could double in 2009 compared to 2007,” said Mr Reade.
“Purchases of physical gold have jumped over the past six months as investors’ fears about the current financial crisis ... have intensified.”

The move into gold is being driven by the very rich, with bankers saying that some clients are hoarding gold in their vaults. UBS and Goldman Sachs said last week that investor hoarding would drive prices back above $1,000 an ounce.
On Monday gold was trading at $892 an ounce.
Traders and analysts said jewellery demand, historically the backbone of gold consumption, had collapsed under the weight of the high prices. Sharp falls in demand in the key markets of India, Turkey and the Middle East have capped the potential of any price rally. But the lack of jewellery demand has not discouraged investors.

Jonathan Spall, director of commodities at Barclays Capital in London, said: “We have seen more new enquiries about investing in gold so far this year than during the whole 2008.”

Philip Klapwijk, chairman of GFMS, the precious metal consultancy, said that investors were buying gold because of fears about the global financial system rather than looking for a quick gain.
“This is a new round of safe haven buying,” Mr Klapwijk said.
GFMS estimated bullion coin demand last year reached its highest level in 21 years.
 
Alan Greenbum changes his stance.

Privatise the profits but plead to the State with the begging bowl when times get tough.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e310cbf6-fd4e-11dd-a103-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

Greenspan backs bank nationalisation
By Krishna Guha and Edward Luce in Washington
Published: February 18 2009 00:06 | Last updated: February 18 2009 00:06

The US government may have to nationalise some banks on a temporary basis to fix the financial system and restore the flow of credit, Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman, has told the Financial Times.

In an interview, Mr Greenspan, who for decades was regarded as the high priest of laisser-faire capitalism, said nationalisation could be the least bad option left for policymakers.

”It may be necessary to temporarily nationalise some banks in order to facilitate a swift and orderly restructuring,” he said. “I understand that once in a hundred years this is what you do.”
Mr Greenspan’s comments capped a frenetic day in which policymakers across the political spectrum appeared to be moving towards accepting some form of bank nationalisation.

“We should be focusing on what works,” Lindsey Graham, a Republican senator from South Carolina, told the FT. “We cannot keep pouring good money after bad.” He added, “If nationalisation is what works, then we should do it.”

Speaking to the FT ahead of a speech to the Economic Club of New York on Tuesday, Mr Greenspan said that “in some cases, the least bad solution is for the government to take temporary control” of troubled banks either through the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation or some other mechanism.
The former Fed chairman said temporary government ownership would ”allow the government to transfer toxic assets to a bad bank without the problem of how to price them.”
But he cautioned that holders of senior debt – bonds that would be paid off before other claims – might have to be protected even in the event of nationalisation.
”You would have to be very careful about imposing any loss on senior creditors of any bank taken under government control because it could impact the senior debt of all other banks,” he said. “This is a credit crisis and it is essential to preserve an anchor for the financing of the system. That anchor is the senior debt.”

Mr Greenspan’s comments came as President Barack Obama signed into law the $787bn fiscal stimulus in Denver, Colorado. Mr Obama will announce on Wednesday a $50bn programme for home foreclosure relief in Phoenix, Arizona. Meanwhile, the White House was working last night on the latest phase of the bailout for two of the big three US carmakers.

In his speech after signing the stimulus, which he called the “most sweeping recovery package in our history”, Mr Obama set out a vertiginous timetable of federal decisions in the coming weeks that included fixing the US banking system, submission next week of the 2009 budget and a bipartisan White House meeting to address longer-term fiscal discipline.
“We need to end a culture where we ignore problems until they become full-blown crises,” said Mr Obama. “Today does not mark the end of our economic troubles… but it does mark the beginning of the end.”
 
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