Re: Buddhist Bicycle Jerseys



Rick Onanian <[email protected]> writes:

> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:23:54 GMT, [email protected] (Bill
> Z.) wrote:
> >Usually people who mention killfiles simply want to be able to insult
> >someone without having anyone else read the response. So, as far as

>
> How would killfiling somebody prevent others from reading his
> response?


Not very smart, are you Ric - the guy obviously wants everyone *else*
to killfile me so he can post his garbage without anyone else seeing
a reply.

Of course, you probably knew that.

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My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB
 
Bill Z. wrote:
> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>Bill Z. wrote:
>>
>>>"S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Re-read the thread, you lying *****. Who started throwing around
>>>>words like "liar" and "moron" first? (And you just did it again
>>>>with Tim! Someone disagrees with you, so they're a liar?!?)
>>>
>>>You lied about killfiles,

>>
>>LIAR! I never once said I had killfiled you;

>
>
> I thought you had, but with two other bozos on my case, all ranting
> and raving like little children, it is very easy to confuse you guys.

A
and of course, no apology was forthcoming although Bill Z has falsely
accused Sorni of something. All too predictable, isn't the putz.
snip

>
> So what? You can find millions of people in the U.S. who think the
> world was created in 6 or 7 mean solar days.
>
> Bill
>


And all we have to do to find one unmitigated as*hole is look under Bill
Z. in this ng. Simple, no?


jim
 
Bill Z. wrote:

> JimLane <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>Bill Z. wrote:

>
>
>>And whatever has given you the idea that you can? Not your behavior in
>>this newsgroup, putz. No one backing you except your pride. But then
>>again a lot of people like you are just as proud of being wrong as
>>most are of being right.
>>
>>Niteynight, putz.

>
>
> Adults don't go around calling people childish names like "putz."
> Don't let you mommy know or she may take your computer away from
> you.
>


Right. We took hers away for reaming out as*holes like you. Based on
your behavior here, it is too bad your mother wasn't the poster child
for abortion.


jim
 
JimLane <[email protected]> writes:

> Bill Z. wrote:
> > "S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:


> and of course, no apology was forthcoming although Bill Z has falsely
> accused Sorni of something. All too predictable, isn't the putz.
> snip


Given the continual false accusations (not mistakes, but bald faced
lies) coming from Sorni, why should I bother? The guy was in fact
lying and at worst I was confused about one minor point.

> > So what? You can find millions of people in the U.S. who think the
> > world was created in 6 or 7 mean solar days.
> > Bill
> >

>
> And all we have to do to find one unmitigated as*hole is look under
> Bill Z. in this ng. Simple, no?


The "assholes" would include you, Sorni, and a couple of other jerks.

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JimLane <[email protected]> writes:

> Bill Z. wrote:
>
> > JimLane <[email protected]> writes:
> >


> >>Niteynight, putz.

> > Adults don't go around calling people childish names like "putz."
> > Don't let you mommy know or she may take your computer away from
> > you.
> >

>
> Right. We took hers away for reaming out as*holes like you. Based on
> your behavior here, it is too bad your mother wasn't the poster child
> for abortion.


So you really do have the majurity of an 12 year old boy.

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 04:36:24 GMT, [email protected] (Bill
Z.) wrote:
>Rick Onanian <[email protected]> writes:
>> A typo would be "is dur to" or "is du to". That's when your finger
>> accidentally hits the wrong key or fails to hit an appropriate key.
>> You chose the wrong word, and can't even admit to that.

>
>Nope - it is a typo. My typos tend to be more complex than just
>hitting the wrong key, and I have to go back and fix the text up.


If they're more complex than just hitting the wrong key, then
they're not typographical errors.

>Occassionally I'll miss something. Curiously, I'll mistype things in
>this way that I consistently get right when writing with a pen or
>pencil. (BTW, in the last sentence, I started to type 'write'
>instead of 'right', but caught it as I was typing.)


That's another example of choosing the wrong word...or do your
fingers magically know homonyms for such words? Here's a hint:
fingers don't know anything. They are biomechanical devices
controlled by the brain. Just because the decision was not a
conscious decision doesn't mean that you didn't choose the wrong
word.

>So you guessed wrong - it is not "choosing" the wrong word but a
>disconnect between what I think and what my fingers do when I'm
>using a keyboard.


There's no guess. Your fingers are operated by your brain; it
controls your fingers to move a given distance in a given direction,
and they don't have any free will.

>I guess a one-word typo is the biggest thing in your life.


Again, you attempt to defend yourself by misdirection instead of
simply admitting "I typed the wrong word". Your example only proves
that you aren't aware that the brain controls muscles.

I suppose there could be an exception in your case; it's entirely
possible that you lack a brain.

>Pretty childish of you, isn't it?


Hmm...childish...kind of like:
>you can f___ off along with the other jerks
>The "assholes" would include you, Sorni, and a couple of other jerks.
>Go f___ yourself, twirp.
>Oooooooooooooh. Little Sorni is upset about a typo.
>F___ you too.
>"Everyone else" are a few idiots with their heads up their butts.


And, of course, the classic:
>has something up his butt and needs to whine about it. I guess you do
>too. Why don't you two get together and help each other out - with
>your butt problems, that is.


And finally, the obsession with calling others immature, childish,
or unable to act like an adult; that tendency is most common in
children who think they are adults.
>You are still not capable of acting like an adult.
>Don't let you mommy know or she may take your computer away
>Then you should have left me out of your infantile name calling.
>Sorni is still acting like a little child.
>What you've proven is that you have the emotional maturity of a little
>child who is not capable of a rational discussion without resorting
>to continual, unprovoked, infantile name calling.


It seems you carry this obsession to other threads on other
newsgroups too:
>This guy is 46+ years old and acts like a 12 year old boy.
>*You* are a acting like a little boy. I'm not impressed.
>What more proof is needed that 46+ year old Mad Dog has the mentality
>of a boy in a junior high school locker room?
>Your own childish grudges speak for themselves. Too bad you can't
>act your age (a bit over 46, according to you.)
>And you are acting like a foul-mouthed teenager.
>Still acting like a 12 year old boy in spite of being over 46 years
>old?
>Jeff's the guy acting like a kid from junior high school

....and that was all from the very first thread that
groups.google.com returned when I searched on 'nemuaz'. I didn't see
anybody there on your side, either.

You might as well face it...It's not the whole world, it's you.
--
Rick "This is fun...don't stop now!" Onanian
 
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 04:38:12 GMT, [email protected] (Bill
Z.) wrote:
>Rick Onanian <[email protected]> writes:
>> How would killfiling somebody prevent others from reading his
>> response?

>
>Not very smart, are you Ric - the guy obviously wants everyone *else*
>to killfile me so he can post his garbage without anyone else seeing
>a reply.
>
>Of course, you probably knew that.


Actually, Bil, I was quite aware of your thought process, but I
didn't see anything that made me think that everybody else would
killfile you just on Tim's suggestion. Apparently you were gullible
enough to think that it could work...or maybe just gullible enough
to think that Tim actually believed he would have an effect. He's no
newbie. He knows better.

So...how does one person saying "killfile him" prevent others from
reading your posts?
--
Rick "Spellchecker suggested 'bile' for 'Bil'" Onanian
 
Rick Onanian wrote (nothing snipped 'cuz it's just so damned good!!! :) :
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 04:36:24 GMT, [email protected] (Bill
> Z.) wrote:
>> Rick Onanian <[email protected]> writes:
>>> A typo would be "is dur to" or "is du to". That's when your finger
>>> accidentally hits the wrong key or fails to hit an appropriate key.
>>> You chose the wrong word, and can't even admit to that.

>>
>> Nope - it is a typo. My typos tend to be more complex than just
>> hitting the wrong key, and I have to go back and fix the text up.

>
> If they're more complex than just hitting the wrong key, then
> they're not typographical errors.
>
>> Occassionally I'll miss something. Curiously, I'll mistype things in
>> this way that I consistently get right when writing with a pen or
>> pencil. (BTW, in the last sentence, I started to type 'write'
>> instead of 'right', but caught it as I was typing.)

>
> That's another example of choosing the wrong word...or do your
> fingers magically know homonyms for such words? Here's a hint:
> fingers don't know anything. They are biomechanical devices
> controlled by the brain. Just because the decision was not a
> conscious decision doesn't mean that you didn't choose the wrong
> word.
>
>> So you guessed wrong - it is not "choosing" the wrong word but a
>> disconnect between what I think and what my fingers do when I'm
>> using a keyboard.

>
> There's no guess. Your fingers are operated by your brain; it
> controls your fingers to move a given distance in a given direction,
> and they don't have any free will.
>
>> I guess a one-word typo is the biggest thing in your life.

>
> Again, you attempt to defend yourself by misdirection instead of
> simply admitting "I typed the wrong word". Your example only proves
> that you aren't aware that the brain controls muscles.
>
> I suppose there could be an exception in your case; it's entirely
> possible that you lack a brain.
>
>> Pretty childish of you, isn't it?

>
> Hmm...childish...kind of like:
>> you can f___ off along with the other jerks
>> The "assholes" would include you, Sorni, and a couple of other jerks.
>> Go f___ yourself, twirp.
>> Oooooooooooooh. Little Sorni is upset about a typo.
>> F___ you too.
>> "Everyone else" are a few idiots with their heads up their butts.

>
> And, of course, the classic:
>> has something up his butt and needs to whine about it. I guess you
>> do too. Why don't you two get together and help each other out -
>> with your butt problems, that is.

>
> And finally, the obsession with calling others immature, childish,
> or unable to act like an adult; that tendency is most common in
> children who think they are adults.
>> You are still not capable of acting like an adult.
>> Don't let you mommy know or she may take your computer away
>> Then you should have left me out of your infantile name calling.
>> Sorni is still acting like a little child.
>> What you've proven is that you have the emotional maturity of a
>> little child who is not capable of a rational discussion without
>> resorting to continual, unprovoked, infantile name calling.

>
> It seems you carry this obsession to other threads on other
> newsgroups too:
>> This guy is 46+ years old and acts like a 12 year old boy.
>> *You* are a acting like a little boy. I'm not impressed.
>> What more proof is needed that 46+ year old Mad Dog has the mentality
>> of a boy in a junior high school locker room?
>> Your own childish grudges speak for themselves. Too bad you can't
>> act your age (a bit over 46, according to you.)
>> And you are acting like a foul-mouthed teenager.
>> Still acting like a 12 year old boy in spite of being over 46 years
>> old?
>> Jeff's the guy acting like a kid from junior high school

> ...and that was all from the very first thread that
> groups.google.com returned when I searched on 'nemuaz'. I didn't see
> anybody there on your side, either.
>
> You might as well face it...It's not the whole world, it's you.


Rick (The Terminator) O. blows away Bill (The Interminable) Z. Film at 11;
services to held...etc, etc.

Bill "nominate this for Flame o' The Week" S.
 
S o r n i wrote:
snip

> Rick (The Terminator) O. blows away Bill (The Interminable) Z. Film at 11;
> services to held...etc, etc.
>
> Bill "nominate this for Flame o' The Week" S.
>
>


Pet Cemetery?


jim
 
Bill Z. wrote:

> JimLane <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>Bill Z. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>JimLane <[email protected]> writes:
>>>

>
>
>>>>Niteynight, putz.
>>>
>>>Adults don't go around calling people childish names like "putz."
>>>Don't let you mommy know or she may take your computer away from
>>>you.
>>>

>>
>>Right. We took hers away for reaming out as*holes like you. Based on
>>your behavior here, it is too bad your mother wasn't the poster child
>>for abortion.

>
>
> So you really do have the majurity of an 12 year old boy.
>


If I do, it is still further up the feeding chain than where you reside,
putz.


jim
 
Bill Z. wrote:

> JimLane <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>Bill Z. wrote:
>>
>>>"S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:

>
>
>>and of course, no apology was forthcoming although Bill Z has falsely
>>accused Sorni of something. All too predictable, isn't the putz.
>>snip

>
>
> Given the continual false accusations (not mistakes, but bald faced
> lies) coming from Sorni, why should I bother? The guy was in fact
> lying and at worst I was confused about one minor point.
>
>
>>>So what? You can find millions of people in the U.S. who think the
>>>world was created in 6 or 7 mean solar days.
>>>Bill
>>>

>>
>>And all we have to do to find one unmitigated as*hole is look under
>>Bill Z. in this ng. Simple, no?

>
>
> The "assholes" would include you, Sorni, and a couple of other jerks.
>



So, you think we would flock with you, putz? Not a chance. We're all
class as*holes. You're just a plain old unmitigated as*hole near the
bottom of the feeding chain. In fact, you haven't achieved dingleberry
status yet.


jim
 
Rick Onanian <[email protected]> writes:

> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 04:36:24 GMT, [email protected] (Bill
> Z.) wrote:
> >Rick Onanian <[email protected]> writes:
> >> A typo would be "is dur to" or "is du to". That's when your finger
> >> accidentally hits the wrong key or fails to hit an appropriate key.
> >> You chose the wrong word, and can't even admit to that.

> >
> >Nope - it is a typo. My typos tend to be more complex than just
> >hitting the wrong key, and I have to go back and fix the text up.

>
> If they're more complex than just hitting the wrong key, then
> they're not typographical errors.


Actually, they are - something going wrong in how my fingers respond.
They are typos because what gets typed is not what I thought I
typed.

> There's no guess. Your fingers are operated by your brain; it
> controls your fingers to move a given distance in a given direction,
> and they don't have any free will.


Sigh. You really are clueless, aren't you. Your "brain" handles a
large number of tasks automatically in ways that have nothing to do
with free will. It is not a computer with a central processor that
makes decisions. You can think one thing and do something else.

> Again, you attempt to defend yourself by misdirection instead of
> simply admitting "I typed the wrong word". Your example only proves
> that you aren't aware that the brain controls muscles.


Rather it shows your ignorance of biology.

>
> I suppose there could be an exception in your case; it's entirely
> possible that you lack a brain.
>
> >Pretty childish of you, isn't it?

>
> Hmm...childish...kind of like:
> >you can f___ off along with the other jerks
> >The "assholes" would include you, Sorni, and a couple of other jerks.
> >Go f___ yourself, twirp.
> >Oooooooooooooh. Little Sorni is upset about a typo.
> >F___ you too.
> >"Everyone else" are a few idiots with their heads up their butts.


And after the amount of abuse from you worthless slimeballs, that was
a pretty mild response.

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My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB
 
"S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:


> >> Occassionally I'll miss something. Curiously, I'll mistype things in
> >> this way that I consistently get right when writing with a pen or
> >> pencil. (BTW, in the last sentence, I started to type 'write'
> >> instead of 'right', but caught it as I was typing.)

> >
> > That's another example of choosing the wrong word...or do your
> > fingers magically know homonyms for such words? Here's a hint:
> > fingers don't know anything. They are biomechanical devices
> > controlled by the brain. Just because the decision was not a
> > conscious decision doesn't mean that you didn't choose the wrong
> > word.


Sigh. What a moron. Sorni must also think that if you try a track
stand and fall off the bike, you "chose" to fall. After all, it is
all "controlled by your brain." You "choose" a word only if you
make a conscious decision to use that word. Is that really so hard
for you morons to understand?

I'm snipped the rest of your post. Unlike you three babies, I've
better things to do than waste time on gobs of text, all to fill
up space due to having nothing substantial to say.

Consider the above a reply to the other recent posts from you
idiots as well.

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Bill Z. wrote:
> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:

********
OK, is everyone paying attention??? *I* didn't write ANYTHING quoted
below!!! (And your precious newsreader can't bail you out this time,
Zaumbie. Face it, you're just inept.)

>>>> Occassionally I'll miss something. Curiously, I'll mistype things
>>>> in this way that I consistently get right when writing with a pen
>>>> or pencil. (BTW, in the last sentence, I started to type 'write'
>>>> instead of 'right', but caught it as I was typing.)


{RICK wrote the below}

>>> That's another example of choosing the wrong word...or do your
>>> fingers magically know homonyms for such words? Here's a hint:
>>> fingers don't know anything. They are biomechanical devices
>>> controlled by the brain. Just because the decision was not a
>>> conscious decision doesn't mean that you didn't choose the wrong
>>> word.

>
> Sigh. What a moron. Sorni (???) must also think that if you try a track
> stand and fall off the bike, you "chose" to fall. After all, it is
> all "controlled by your brain." You "choose" a word only if you
> make a conscious decision to use that word. Is that really so hard
> for you morons to understand?


WHY ARE YOU MENTIONING ME, IDIOT??? *I* didn't write that!!!

> I'm snipped the rest of your post. Unlike you three babies, I've
> better things to do than waste time on gobs of text, all to fill
> up space due to having nothing substantial to say.
>
> Consider the above a reply to the other recent posts from you
> idiots as well.


Now you're really losing it, Zaumbie. Hope you get the help you so
obviously need.

Bill "meltdown witness" S.
 
"S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:

> Bill Z. wrote:
> > "S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:

> ********
> OK, is everyone paying attention??? *I* didn't write ANYTHING quoted
> below!!! (And your precious newsreader can't bail you out this time,
> Zaumbie. Face it, you're just inept.)
>
> >>>> Occassionally I'll miss something. Curiously, I'll mistype things
> >>>> in this way that I consistently get right when writing with a pen
> >>>> or pencil. (BTW, in the last sentence, I started to type 'write'
> >>>> instead of 'right', but caught it as I was typing.)

>
> {RICK wrote the below}


Sorry about getting confused. Of course, you stated that you agreed
100% with Rick when you wrote, "Rick Onanian wrote (nothing snipped
'cuz it's just so damned good!!!" Now you are trying to disown the
idiotic statement you yourself stated was "so damned good" (thus
showing that it in fact reflected your opinion.)

Face it Sorni, you are a loser. You even lose arguments with
yourself.

Bill

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Bill Z. wrote:
> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Bill Z. wrote:
>>> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:

>> ********
>> OK, is everyone paying attention??? *I* didn't write ANYTHING quoted
>> below!!! (And your precious newsreader can't bail you out this time,
>> Zaumbie. Face it, you're just inept.)
>>
>>>>>> Occassionally I'll miss something. Curiously, I'll mistype
>>>>>> things in this way that I consistently get right when writing
>>>>>> with a pen or pencil. (BTW, in the last sentence, I started to
>>>>>> type 'write' instead of 'right', but caught it as I was typing.)

>>
>> {RICK wrote the below}

>
> Sorry about getting confused. Of course, you stated that you agreed
> 100% with Rick when you wrote, "Rick Onanian wrote (nothing snipped
> 'cuz it's just so damned good!!!" Now you are trying to disown the
> idiotic statement you yourself stated was "so damned good" (thus
> showing that it in fact reflected your opinion.)
>
> Face it Sorni, you are a loser. You even lose arguments with
> yourself.


???

Look at your post again, Zaumbie. You *ONCE AGAIN* replied to the wrong
post -- EXACTLY LIKE THE FIRST TIME THAT STARTED ALL THIS INSIPID
NONSENSE -- only this time without even /anything/ you attributed to me.
(The first one at least had my newsreader's auto-generated "**** Durbin
wrote:", which you later used to try to cover up your error.)

Now you could have just said "Sorry about getting confused...PERIOD"!!!
It's no big deal to make a mistake (although it IS deliciously ironic in
this particular case), but you just won't admit it without trying to deflect
blame or attention or whatever the hell it is you want onto someone else.

It REALLY IS OK to admit a screw-up, Bill. No one is perfect; not even you.

Bill "Rick nailed you, but you piled on yourself better than anyone else
could have" S.
 
"S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:

> Bill Z. wrote:


> >
> > Sorry about getting confused. Of course, you stated that you agreed
> > 100% with Rick when you wrote, "Rick Onanian wrote (nothing snipped
> > 'cuz it's just so damned good!!!" Now you are trying to disown the
> > idiotic statement you yourself stated was "so damned good" (thus
> > showing that it in fact reflected your opinion.)
> >
> > Face it Sorni, you are a loser. You even lose arguments with
> > yourself.


> Look at your post again, Zaumbie. You *ONCE AGAIN* replied to the wrong
> post -- EXACTLY LIKE THE FIRST TIME THAT STARTED ALL THIS INSIPID
> NONSENSE -- only this time without even /anything/ you attributed to me.


Hey dimwit, what do you think "sorry about getting confused" meant? I
snipped more than I thought this time, but the *first* time (your lies
notwithstanding), you were quoted correctly. In this case, I snipped
too much, but what I claimed you said was, by your own admission, actually
your opinion, and your opinion was 100% wrong.

> (The first one at least had my newsreader's auto-generated "**** Durbin
> wrote:", which you later used to try to cover up your error.)


There wasn't an error, you moron, because those words were there. The
attribution was obvious.

>
> Now you could have just said "Sorry about getting confused...PERIOD"!!!
> It's no big deal to make a mistake (although it IS deliciously ironic in
> this particular case), but you just won't admit it without trying to deflect
> blame or attention or whatever the hell it is you want onto someone else.


Given the level of person attacks from you, I'll damn well talk about
what you really meant. This dicussion has zip to do with inadvertent
errors. It is simply due to three stooges (you, Jim, and Ric) trying
to do to people figuratively what you'd be embarassed to do to each other
literally. Get over your hangups and we'll all be better off - at
least nobody would hear about it. Who knows. Maybe you'd all be in
a better mood. :)

Bill

--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB
 
Bill Z. wrote:

>
> Hey dimwit...
>
> There wasn't an error, you moron...


> This dicussion has zip to do with inadvertent
> errors. It is simply due to three stooges...


:)

I imagine the Buddha himself would gnash his teeth at this guy!


--
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Frank Krygowski [To reply, omit what's between "at" and "cc"]
 
Bill Z. wrote:
> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Bill Z. wrote:

>
>>>
>>> Sorry about getting confused. Of course, you stated that you agreed
>>> 100% with Rick when you wrote, "Rick Onanian wrote (nothing snipped
>>> 'cuz it's just so damned good!!!" Now you are trying to disown the
>>> idiotic statement you yourself stated was "so damned good" (thus
>>> showing that it in fact reflected your opinion.)
>>>
>>> Face it Sorni, you are a loser. You even lose arguments with
>>> yourself.

>
>> Look at your post again, Zaumbie. You *ONCE AGAIN* replied to the
>> wrong post -- EXACTLY LIKE THE FIRST TIME THAT STARTED ALL THIS
>> INSIPID
>> NONSENSE -- only this time without even /anything/ you attributed to
>> me.

>
> Hey dimwit, what do you think "sorry about getting confused" meant? I
> snipped more than I thought this time, but the *first* time (your lies
> notwithstanding), you were quoted correctly. In this case, I snipped
> too much, but what I claimed you said was, by your own admission,
> actually your opinion, and your opinion was 100% wrong.



Regardless of snipping, you can't even read. Rick wrote something and you
replied as if *I* wrote it. Deja vu all over again. (And just because I
applauded what he said doesn't mean I then somehow "own" the words. Like
you need to be told that!)


>> (The first one at least had my newsreader's auto-generated "****
>> Durbin wrote:", which you later used to try to cover up your error.)

>
> There wasn't an error, you moron, because those words were there. The
> attribution was obvious.



Same error as this time. You can't keep straight who wrote what, even when
it's nicely laid out in threads (and your supposedly foolproof newsreader
can't help you, either!)...


Bill "you never DID answer about the 'neutral nerds' who also told you that
you're incorrect" S.
 
"frkrygow" <"frkrygow"@omitcc.ysu.edu> writes:

> Bill Z. wrote:
>
> >
> > Hey dimwit...
> > There wasn't an error, you moron...

>
> > This dicussion has zip to do with inadvertent
> > errors. It is simply due to three stooges...

>
> :)
>
> I imagine the Buddha himself would gnash his teeth at this guy!


Actually he'd gnash his teeth at the three stooges, plus you (a
certified anti-helmet nut with an ax to grind due to previous
discussions on that topic.)

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My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB