In article <
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"Tom Kunich" <
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> "Howard Kveck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> (Note, this is the same "professional" association who has reported that
> pedophilia isn't "all bad" for children".)
A slight distortion there. If you want, go here and scroll down to the
section headed "Terminlogy":
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
> > You can indeed get Cameron's information in a dozen sources: his
> > "studies" are repeatedly used by anti-gay groups, despite being shown to
> > be methodologically worthless by (many) others. The fact that they are
> > discounted by the mainstream psych world matters little to those groups.
>
> Then you surely have a citation?
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_survey.html
> Whereas you're sure that somehow homosexuality is "normal" and doesn't
> require treatment. I had one of the textbooks from the Harvard School of
> Medicine's Psychiatric department circa 1990 and it said plainly that
> homosexuality was a mental deviation that was incurable not because it was
> incurable but because homosexuals didn't think that they had any "problem"
> to fix.
"Normal"? It's how they are wired, Tom. Do you really think that people
consciously make a decision to be in a minority that is treated the way
homosexuals are? Studies of people who've gone through the "reparative
therapies" the NARTH pushes show that only the behavior of the "successes"
is changed - the fantasies, desires and longings are still the same. They
are subject to deep depression because of an inability to reconcile the
desired behavior and thought processes with what is still going on in their
heads. Check it out:
"Resolution on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation
Adopted by the American Psychological Association Council of
Representatives"
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/resolution97_text.html
(As a by the way, a search on "Paul Cameron" & "APA" gets a raft of hits
with a variety of viewpoints. Some are better written and laid out than
others, as is always the case...)
> What do you find funny at the fact that homosexuals hang around train, plane
> and bus stations and try to pick up young men and boys? Do you think this
> indicates a normal sexual balance?
Are they, in fact, all (or even 'many') trying to "pick up young men and
boys"? Perhaps they're doing the same as the straight guys or low-level
drug dealers are when they hang out in the same locales - trolling for
whatever it is that strikes their fancy. You imply something nefarious. A
gay man trolling for another gay man is bad in what way?
> You don't seem to believe that extreme violence among homosexuals is common.
True - I don't believe it is "common". It does happen, but it happens
pretty damn regularly among straights, too.
> And yet we saw that when Jeffrey Dahmer was chasing a nude boy through the
> streets with a kitchen knife and was stopped by a patrol cop HE AND THE BOY
> WERE RELEASED. Do you suppose that's because it was something unusual and
> the cop just responded badly? Or, since Dahmer later killed and ate the boy,
> it is something that cops see with homosexuals on a regular basis and have
> been desensitized by demands that they be left alone?
What happened with Dahmer and Konerak Sinthasomphone was that Dahmer
went out to buy some beer after drilling a hole in Sinthasomphone's head
(Dahmer regularly experimented with making zombies). Sinthasomphone came to
and got out, where he ran into the three cops but was incoherent (due to
the meds and his own language problems). Dahmer didn't have a knife with
him, but when he happened upon them, he told the cops that they were lovers
and had had an argument and that his "friend" was drunk. The cops decided
it was a gay lover's tiff (in spite of the bleeding) and they didn't want
to get involved. So they gave Sinthasomphone back to Dahmer and told them
to work it out. Since there is no evidence they saw things like that at
all, let alone on a regular basis, I'd say it was a bad response on the
cops' part.
But why bring up Dahmer? His thing wasn't homosexuality - he derived
sexual pleasure from the acts of murder and butchering the victims bodies.
He chose to pick up prospective victims at gay bars because he thought they
were more willing to come with him (he often offered them money to be
photographed) and could be plied with drinks (which he drugged). His
problem wasn't homosexuality, it was that he was a lifelong psychopath.
> > This kind of fear-mongering is no different than that used against
> > blacks in the past ("They rape white women!") or Jews now ("They drink
> > Arab children's blood!").
>
> Right. However, there is that little problem of evidence and court reports.
Well, your opinion about what constitutes evidence is apparently heavily
influenced by your bias against homosexuality. As for court reports, I
think you'll find that you're far more likely to have some kind of violent
encounter with a straight guy than a gay (unless you seek one out to prove
some point).
--
tanx,
Howard
Q: Why did the metalhead cross the road?
A: Because he's a gullible moron who'll buy
anything with a skull on it.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
