Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists



"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, if we could keep the cagers off the road, it would be safe to
>>>>> ride anywhere on a bicycle with studded tires.
>>>> Yeah, and if your legs are the size of tree trunks, maybe you'll
>>>> actually cover 15 miles in a day riding through slush and ice on those
>>>> studded tires.
>>> It sounds like the exercise would do a lot of people good.
>>
>> Contrary to the beliefs of certain trainers, there's a difference
>> between exercise and self-torture. Riding a bike in the cold through
>> ice and slush falls into the latter category.
>>
> Riding a bicycle in winter is fun, except for the out of control cagers on
> the road. Studded tires, proper clothes and proper attitude are all that
> are needed.
>
>>> Besides, there is something fundamentally wrong with people who do not
>>> like riding a bicycle.
>>
>> There's something fundamentally wrong with people who don't like
>> driving.
>
> Most USians must not like driving too much, since they buy large, ill
> handling vehicles, and then focus more on their phone conversations than
> driving. People who actually like driving would benefit by getting all
> these cagers off the road.

Isn't that quite the generalization.
>
> Do you enjoy driving in congested traffic with a bunch of clueless
> cellphone yakkers?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
David White wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-D60556.23592123022008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> It only shows there no options other than sitting in endless
>>>>>>>>> traffic
>>>>>>>>> jams. Create the options, and you will see them come out of their
>>>>>>>>> cages.
>>>>>>>> The options have existed for years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's a clue: people don't want them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The answer then is to raise people with values that create a
>>>>>>> healthier,
>>>>>>> more sustainable society.
>>>>>> Riiiiiiight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If people don't want the right things (i.e. the things *you* think
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> should want) there's something wrong with *them*.[...]
>>>>>>
>>>>> Now we are making progress.
>>>> We certainly are.
>>>>
>>>> You're a socialist, aren't you?
>>>>
>>> I am someone who has not swallowed the propaganda of the mainstream
>>> culture.
>> I notice you neatly avoided the question...
>
> You already answered it for him.
>
For the record, I am not a member of any political party (we have open
primary elections here, so there is no need to join anything).

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
David White wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, if we could keep the cagers off the road, it would be safe to
>>>>>> ride anywhere on a bicycle with studded tires.
>>>>> Yeah, and if your legs are the size of tree trunks, maybe you'll
>>>>> actually cover 15 miles in a day riding through slush and ice on those
>>>>> studded tires.
>>>> It sounds like the exercise would do a lot of people good.
>>> Contrary to the beliefs of certain trainers, there's a difference
>>> between exercise and self-torture. Riding a bike in the cold through
>>> ice and slush falls into the latter category.
>>>
>> Riding a bicycle in winter is fun, except for the out of control cagers on
>> the road. Studded tires, proper clothes and proper attitude are all that
>> are needed.
>>
>>>> Besides, there is something fundamentally wrong with people who do not
>>>> like riding a bicycle.
>>> There's something fundamentally wrong with people who don't like
>>> driving.
>> Most USians must not like driving too much, since they buy large, ill
>> handling vehicles, and then focus more on their phone conversations than
>> driving. People who actually like driving would benefit by getting all
>> these cagers off the road.
>
> Isn't that quite the generalization.

Well, I have plenty of chances to observe what and how people drive. The
reason most people like personal vehicles is because it surrounds them
with a steel and glass isolation cage.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
> But you're right -- the ice caps are shrinking...ON MARS! LOL

=x= You know you're on Usenet when someone thinks that posting
a seven links to seven echobox sites is a way to argue a point.
<_Jym_>
 
On Feb 23, 6:47 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <93c9360f-06d6-4747-a42b-93d41727c...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  donquijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Feb 23, 3:58 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <[email protected]>,
>
> > >  donquijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 21, 7:38 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <[email protected]>,
>
> > > > >  donquijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 21, 1:01 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups..com>,
>
> > > > > > >  DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 7:59 am, donquijote1954 <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 6:30 pm, DennisTheBald <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > zle.com/ride_shirt-235520928427805825
>
> > > > > > > > > And about the frugal scooters? They only got a little motor...
>
> > > > > > > > >http://www.zazzle.com/scooter_shirt-235994025243531447
>
> > > > > > > > yes, a little motor can only suck a little.  Scooters suck<WAY/>
> > > > > > > > less
> > > > > > > > than cars, in fact they're almost as cool as bikes... if they
> > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > electric motors they would probably suck even less.
>
> > > > > > > Riiiiight....
>
> > > > > > > ...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter.
>
> > > > > > Just don't have so many kids. Or have them all ride bikes to the
> > > > > > hockey game.
>
> > > > > > Hey, a van sometimes is necessary. Nobody is preaching kicking the
> > > > > > addiction altogether.
>
> > > > > No.
>
> > > > > Just making the subtle assumption that it *is* an addiction; something
> > > > > bad and to be eliminated.
>
> > > > > Personal vehicles are one of the greatest forces for personal liberty
> > > > > and quality of life ever invented.
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Alan Baker
> > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > > "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
> > > > > to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
> > > > > sit in the bottom of that cupboard."- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > When you notice all the couch potatoes behind the wheel stuck in
> > > > traffic jams, you know they are addicted to gas. Even Bush admitted
> > > > it, didn't he?
>
> > > I wouldn't know.
>
> > > But no, the existence of traffic jams doesn't show that.
>
> > It only shows there no options other than sitting in endless traffic
> > jams. Create the options, and you will see them come out of their
> > cages.
>
> The options have existed for years.
>
> Here's a clue: people don't want them.

Isn't that characteristic of the communist mind? They are afraid too
many choices, too many parties...

Well, I hope someday we can bring Perestroika to America.
 
On Feb 23, 7:56 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>  [email protected] (Tom Keats) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <alangbaker-5B4344.16384121022008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
> >    Alan Baker <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > >> Hey, a van sometimes is necessary. Nobody is preaching kicking the
> > >> addiction altogether.
>
> > > No.
>
> > > Just making the subtle assumption that it *is* an addiction; something
> > > bad and to be eliminated.
>
> > > Personal vehicles are one of the greatest forces for personal liberty
> > > and quality of life ever invented.
>
> > To every pay-off there's a proportional trade-off;
> > that of personal motor cars comes at a pretty
> > steep price.
>
> > Where's the pedestrian's personal liberty and
> > quality of life when s/he's trying to cross
> > Kingsway or Knight St or Marine Dr at a
> > no-traffic-light crosswalk?[*]  Especially if
> > he or she gets hit by a car while attempting
> > to do so.
>
> The problem lies with the fact that we no longer enforce many of traffic
> laws.
>
>
>
> > As one of of the greatest forces for personal
> > liberty and quality of life, the privilege to
> > drive is so routinely abused that its benefits
> > are obfuscated by a fog of death and destruction,
> > let alone plain, antisocial behaviour in
> > social environments.  Personal liberty & quality
> > of life, my ass!  In Vancouver, streams of car
> > traffic choke the life out of the city by
> > preventing people from getting from A to B.
> > Arterial streets are pernicious /barriers/ to us
> > citizens, not conducers of Freedom of Movement.
>
> Driving isn't a privilege. It's a right; a right that comes with
> responsibilities.
>
> As for choking the life out of the city:
>
> 1. Vancouver has ignored the car for years; simply hoping they'd go
> away. Thus we an inadequate road system.
>
> 2. Far from choking the life out of the city, they are a vital part of
> the city's health and growth.
>
>
>
> > You can go ahead and thank your blessings for
> > being able to get around in your car.  Don't
> > bother to think about the many people you ignore
> > and prevent from being so easily able to get around,
> > and who's personal liberty and quality of life you
> > steal, by driving your car (pay-off/trade-off.)
> > I guess they (we plebians) don't matter.
>
> My use of the car doesn't prevent others from getting around without one.
>
> In fact, due to the fact that public transit is subsidized and private
> automobile use far overtaxed, my driving makes public transit possible.

You also make safe bicycling impossible. A bicycle revolution is
waiting to have some room to grow and prosper.

This is the end of a great story, where the cyclists finally prevail,
only to be the object of a counter-revolution lead by the polluting
predators...

'Somewhere in a cave in some future time, when, I hope, earth above is
full of flowers and trees and birds and bees and is not a desert, a
group of clandestine worshipers will gather around the last, long-
hidden gas guzzler to dream about tooling down the road and running
cyclists off of the road. They will drink the ritualistic cans of
beer and puff the ritualistic cigarettes and morn the days when men
were men and the law of the jungle gave the right of way to the strong
and the powerful. And they will swear a violent oath: "When I grow
up, I'm never going to let anyone tell me what to do!" Then they will
hurry home before their mothers notice that they still haven't done
their homework.'

http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/humor/planet.htm
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>> Here's a clue: people don't want them.
>>
>The answer then is to raise people with values that create a healthier,
>more sustainable society.

If the answer to a transportation issue involves somehow changing everyone's
basic values, it's a wrong answer.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Keats <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> To every pay-off there's a proportional trade-off;
>>> that of personal motor cars comes at a pretty
>>> steep price.
>>
>> However steep the price is, it's an enormous net positive.
>>
>People in Copenhagen seem quite content with their lives (more so than
>any other major city according to surveys), yet personal automobile use
>is lower than any other major city in a developed nation except for some
>in Benelux.

I've been to Copenhagen; there's no shortage of cars. They may use
them less, but they do have them and use them.

>> I've been to Vancouver. Pretty damn big city in terms of area; getting
>> around the whole thing without a car would be rather painful.[...]
>
>Yes, without a car, you might have to actually interact with other
>people, rather than being isolated in your steel and glass cage.

You won't be interacting with people. You'll just be walking (or
cycling) up and down long streets; just as isolated, only without the
vehicle.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
 
On Feb 23, 8:22 pm, [email protected] (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tom Sherman  <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> Tom Sherman  <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
> >>>> In article <[email protected]>,
> >>>> Tom Sherman  <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> Yes, if we could keep the cagers off the road, it would be safe to ride
> >>>>> anywhere on a bicycle with studded tires.
> >>>> Yeah, and if your legs are the size of tree trunks, maybe you'll
> >>>> actually cover 15 miles in a day riding through slush and ice on those
> >>>> studded tires.
> >>> It sounds like the exercise would do a lot of people good.
>
> >> Contrary to the beliefs of certain trainers, there's a difference
> >> between exercise and self-torture.  Riding a bike in the cold through
> >> ice and slush falls into the latter category.
>
> >Riding a bicycle in winter is fun, except for the out of control cagers
> >on the road. Studded tires, proper clothes and proper attitude are all
> >that are needed.
>
> The proper attitude for enjoying riding on studded tires through ice
> and slush cannot be achieved without the help of illegal drugs.
>
> >>> Besides, there is something fundamentally wrong with people who do notlike
> >>> riding a bicycle.
>
> >> There's something fundamentally wrong with people who don't like
> >> driving.
>
> >Most USians must not like driving too much, since they buy large, ill
> >handling vehicles, and then focus more on their phone conversations than
> >driving. People who actually like driving would benefit by getting all
> >these cagers off the road.
>
> I wouldn't know about those people; I drive a Miata and don't have a
> cell phone.
>
> >Do you enjoy driving in congested traffic with a bunch of clueless
> >cellphone yakkers?
>
> Do you enjoy biking on recreational trails full of kids with training
> wheels weaving their way across it?
>
> --
>   There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
>   result in a fully-depreciated one.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They can not kill you, can they?
 
Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>> Here's a clue: people don't want them.
>>>
>> The answer then is to raise people with values that create a healthier,
>> more sustainable society.
>
> If the answer to a transportation issue involves somehow changing everyone's
> basic values, it's a wrong answer.

So you support values that say to hell with future generations having a
livable environment? That is a lovely attitude.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Keats <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> To every pay-off there's a proportional trade-off;
>>>> that of personal motor cars comes at a pretty
>>>> steep price.
>>> However steep the price is, it's an enormous net positive.
>>>
>> People in Copenhagen seem quite content with their lives (more so than
>> any other major city according to surveys), yet personal automobile use
>> is lower than any other major city in a developed nation except for some
>> in Benelux.
>
> I've been to Copenhagen; there's no shortage of cars. They may use
> them less, but they do have them and use them.
>
Take all the people off bicycles, buses and trains, and put them into
cars and it would turn the city into a gridlocked hell.

>>> I've been to Vancouver. Pretty damn big city in terms of area; getting
>>> around the whole thing without a car would be rather painful.[...]
>> Yes, without a car, you might have to actually interact with other
>> people, rather than being isolated in your steel and glass cage.
>
> You won't be interacting with people. You'll just be walking (or
> cycling) up and down long streets; just as isolated, only without the
> vehicle.

That is a sign of a sick culture.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
In article <8c5594fe-57ef-4d2d-9b37-5a56ad44632e@u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Feb 23, 8:02 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> So they should build rinks a mile apart and only let the kids play the
>> teams that play at the half a dozen that are closest?
>>
>> Riiiiiiight.
>
>That certainly would be expensive. Here are some alternatives:
>
>First, build the rinks five miles apart. Kids would then have to
>travel less than three miles to get to the closest one.

I live in the Philadelphia area, one of the most hockey-mad areas
south of Canada. WE don't have rinks spaced 5 miles apart. It's not
economically feasible. And don't forget it's an area you need to
cover, not a line.

>Second, get the kids away from the video games, and take away their
>high fructose corn syrup drinks and their fatty burgers, to reduce the
>size of their fatty asses.

You do realize that hockey counts as exercise, right?
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
 
On Feb 23, 8:34 pm, [email protected] (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Keats <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >To every pay-off there's a proportional trade-off;
> >that of personal motor cars comes at a pretty
> >steep price.
>
> However steep the price is, it's an enormous net positive.
>
> >As one of of the greatest forces for personal
> >liberty and quality of life, the privilege to
> >drive is so routinely abused that its benefits
> >are obfuscated by a fog of death and destruction,
> >let alone plain, antisocial behaviour in
> >social environments.
>
> I think you have cars confused with pre-Prohibition saloons.
>
> >Personal liberty & quality
> >of life, my ass!  In Vancouver, streams of car
> >traffic choke the life out of the city by
> >preventing people from getting from A to B.
>
> I've been to Vancouver. Pretty damn big city in terms of area; getting
> around the whole thing without a car would be rather painful.  I
> walked around some of the central area, and didn't notice any cars
> choking the life out of me; maybe they extend some courtesy to
> visitors.
>
> >Arterial streets are pernicious /barriers/ to us
> >citizens, not conducers of Freedom of Movement.
>
> Yeah, and rivers are a hazard to navigation.
> --
>   There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
>   result in a fully-depreciated one.

I thought water was conducive to navigation, and motorboats presented
a real danger to all...

At least that's what I experience when I go out in my canoe. Both
bicycles and canoes are at the bottom of the food chain in this jungle
some call "civilization"...
 
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Alan Baker wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's a clue: people don't want them.
> >>
> >The answer then is to raise people with values that create a healthier,
> >more sustainable society.
>
> If the answer to a transportation issue involves somehow changing everyone's
> basic values, it's a wrong answer.

doesn't that assume everyone's basic values are adaptive?

doesn't it also assume that what was once adaptive must therefore be
forever adaptive?

Clearly, this is the best of all possible worlds.

..max
 
On Feb 23, 10:14 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>  Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
> > > In article <[email protected]>, Tom Keats <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >> To every pay-off there's a proportional trade-off;
> > >> that of personal motor cars comes at a pretty
> > >> steep price.
>
> > > However steep the price is, it's an enormous net positive.
>
> > People in Copenhagen seem quite content with their lives (more so than
> > any other major city according to surveys), yet personal automobile use
> > is lower than any other major city in a developed nation except for some
> > in Benelux.
>
> Wow. Cities were the car was no consideration when they were built don't
> work well with cars.
>
> Shocked. I am shocked.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> As one of of the greatest forces for personal
> > >> liberty and quality of life, the privilege to
> > >> drive is so routinely abused that its benefits
> > >> are obfuscated by a fog of death and destruction,
> > >> let alone plain, antisocial behaviour in
> > >> social environments.
>
> > > I think you have cars confused with pre-Prohibition saloons.
>
> > >> Personal liberty & quality
> > >> of life, my ass!  In Vancouver, streams of car
> > >> traffic choke the life out of the city by
> > >> preventing people from getting from A to B.
>
> > > I've been to Vancouver. Pretty damn big city in terms of area; getting
> > > around the whole thing without a car would be rather painful.[...]
>
> > Yes, without a car, you might have to actually interact with other
> > people, rather than being isolated in your steel and glass cage.
>
> That would assume that one spends all one's life inside a car.
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
> to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
> sit in the bottom of that cupboard."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They don't work well either with cities that were designed around the
car, that's why Los Angeles is trying to clean up its act and
diversify transportation.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:

>Well, I have plenty of chances to observe what and how people drive. The
>reason most people like personal vehicles is because it surrounds them
>with a steel and glass isolation cage.

No, people like personal vehicles because they get them where they
want to go when they want to go in reasonable speed and comfort. The
steel and glass isolation cage is merely a means to that end.

For instance, let us consider my trip to work. I can get in my car
and drive 20-30 minutes, arrive, and start working. Then reverse the
same in the evening. Or I can get on my bicycle and bike hard for
over an hour, arrive exhausted and sweaty, perhaps drenched from rain,
needing a shower and change of clothes. And then -- the clincher -- I
have to repeat the same in the evening. Either way, I won't be
engaging in significant interactions with other people along the way.

--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
 
On Feb 24, 1:45 pm, [email protected] (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tom Sherman  <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Alan Baker wrote:
>
> >> Here's a clue: people don't want them.
>
> >The answer then is to raise people with values that create a healthier,
> >more sustainable society.
>
> If the answer to a transportation issue involves somehow changing everyone's
> basic values, it's a wrong answer.
> --
>   There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
>   result in a fully-depreciated one.

I don't think the black sheep wants to be a follower just like his
fellow common sheep. The followed ****** and now follow Bush...
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> David White wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes, if we could keep the cagers off the road, it would be safe to
>>>>>>> ride anywhere on a bicycle with studded tires.
>>>>>> Yeah, and if your legs are the size of tree trunks, maybe you'll
>>>>>> actually cover 15 miles in a day riding through slush and ice on
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> studded tires.
>>>>> It sounds like the exercise would do a lot of people good.
>>>> Contrary to the beliefs of certain trainers, there's a difference
>>>> between exercise and self-torture. Riding a bike in the cold through
>>>> ice and slush falls into the latter category.
>>>>
>>> Riding a bicycle in winter is fun, except for the out of control cagers
>>> on the road. Studded tires, proper clothes and proper attitude are all
>>> that are needed.
>>>
>>>>> Besides, there is something fundamentally wrong with people who do not
>>>>> like riding a bicycle.
>>>> There's something fundamentally wrong with people who don't like
>>>> driving.
>>> Most USians must not like driving too much, since they buy large, ill
>>> handling vehicles, and then focus more on their phone conversations than
>>> driving. People who actually like driving would benefit by getting all
>>> these cagers off the road.
>>
>> Isn't that quite the generalization.
>
> Well, I have plenty of chances to observe what and how people drive. The
> reason most people like personal vehicles is because it surrounds them
> with a steel and glass isolation cage.

Observing and interacting are two completely different things. Have you
stopped and questioned these people as to why they choose to be cagers??
Or, are you just injecting a little personal bias in your comments??
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, without a car, you might have to actually interact with other
>>> people, rather than being isolated in your steel and glass cage.
>>
>> You won't be interacting with people. You'll just be walking (or
>> cycling) up and down long streets; just as isolated, only without the
>> vehicle.
>
>That is a sign of a sick culture.

It's a sign of an _urban_ culture.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
 
Jym Dyer wrote:
>> But you're right -- the ice caps are shrinking...ON MARS! LOL
>
> =x= You know you're on Usenet when someone thinks that posting
> a seven links to seven echobox sites is a way to argue a point.
> <_Jym_>

The Antarctic ice shelf is growing, "Jym" (sic). Check any /honest/ source
you like.

HTH
 
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