Rising bollards

David Hansen said:

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:55:03 GMT someone who may be TheMgt
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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There's a few places in the centre of Edinburgh that could do with these
bollards being installed.

A start would be for the council to turn back on the rising bollards
they turned off.

The only ones I know of were on the Frederick St/George St junction. I
never saw the point of these.

Response to Alan J. Wylie:

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A web site that lists lots of sat-nav disaster stories:
http://www.mcwetboy.net/maproom/categories/driving_directions.phtml

A nice one only yesterday:

Satnav orders German into toilet
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/24/satnav_mishap/

--
Mark, UK
"Where it is a duty to worship the sun, it is pretty sure to be a crime
to examine the laws of heat."

Dave Larrington' of said:

Steph Peters said:

Mark Thompson
<pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com> of

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These have been giving the resisdents of Manchester much amusement.
The local paper carried full page colour spreads for every new
victim, and after a week or so of neutrality over the matter,
correctly judged the public's view and started laughing at the idiot
drivers. I was surprised, but pleasantly so.

Yeah, but the really really daft thing is that there are some disabled
parking spaces AFTER the bollards, which is just asking for people to
try to tailgate in.

It would appear, then, to be a handy method of discouraging those not
entitled to park therein from doing so (I'm guessing that those who /are/
allowed access have some sort of autogizmo which tells the bollards to stay
down, like the Post Office van in the clip).

Must be a rareish privilege. The road in Manchester is in the central
shopping district, and the spaces are opposite M&S and Selfridges, so the
spaces would be used by disabled shoppers. I was once parking my bike on
the Sheffield stands adjacent to the bollards, when one very confused
disabled driver asked me how to get to the parking spaces. I could only
suggest asking a traffic warden to lower the bollards (no idea if they have
a gizmo, but who else would).
--
Steph Peters
Chorlton Wanderers Cycling Group
Monthly slow and easy rides from South Manchester
http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/cycling/chwan.htm

Steph Peters said:

Must be a rareish privilege. The road in Manchester is in the central
shopping district, and the spaces are opposite M&S and Selfridges, so
the spaces would be used by disabled shoppers. I was once parking my
bike on the Sheffield stands adjacent to the bollards, when one very
confused disabled driver asked me how to get to the parking spaces.
I could only suggest asking a traffic warden to lower the bollards
(no idea if they have a gizmo, but who else would).

Someone posted another version of the clip in another place, which I viewed
at home with the sound on. Apparently there's an intercom-thingy with which
one can communicate with Big Brother in order to gain access. I make no
claim to the veracity of this statement...

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Trees, once grown in large numbers, make perfect forests.

Alan J. Wylie said:

Given the number of car drivers that seem to be unable to see the
"Access Only to Motor Vehicles" signs at the start of the country lane
I use to cycle in to work, one has to wonder whether some car drivers
have a psychological block that prevents them from seeing any sign
that they would rather not have to worry about.

Given the reaction to the bollard business on the S+f+sp++d forum, I suspect
the answer is "yes".

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Trees, once grown in large numbers, make perfect forests.

Dave Larrington said the following on 25/10/2006 09:54:

Quoted message said:

Someone posted another version of the clip in another place, which I viewed
at home with the sound on. Apparently there's an intercom-thingy with which
one can communicate with Big Brother in order to gain access. I make no
claim to the veracity of this statement...

Thinks - if BB can control access for disabled access, can said BB also
fire the bollards up smartish if they see a tailgater coming via the CCTV?

If so, how much do they want to be paid for me to do the job for a week ;-)

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

In article said:

Alan J. Wylie said:

Given the number of car drivers that seem to be unable to see the
"Access Only to Motor Vehicles" signs at the start of the country lane
I use to cycle in to work, one has to wonder whether some car drivers
have a psychological block that prevents them from seeing any sign
that they would rather not have to worry about.

Given the reaction to the bollard business on the S+f+sp++d forum, I suspect
the answer is "yes".

This is apparently why the DfT won't approve the use of "No Entry" signs
with "Except cyclists" plates beneath (although some local authorities use
them anyway).

The reasoning is that drivers routinely ignore "No motor vehicle" signs,
assuming they always mean "except access, and that means I'm okay to
use it as a through route to access the other side", but at the moment
they generally obey no entry signs. If any sort of exception to no entry
signs was allowed, drivers would assume it was okay to ignore the sign
without reading what the exception was, and then go on to ignore no entry
signs even without exceptions.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:30 GMT someone who may be TheMgt
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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The only ones I know of were on the Frederick St/George St junction. I
never saw the point of these.

These rising bollards stopped motorists rat running down the George
Street, which they did before and now do again, ignoring "minor"
things like road signs and traffic orders in the process.

The intention was to make George Street a calm public realm, with
access for parking still possible to all parts of the street.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:46:12 GMT someone who may be
[email hidden] wrote this:-

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I have seen the car park of a pub which had (and probably still has)
a mark on the wall indicating how high up high tides will be. It is
left to the intelligence of motorists to work out whether they
should park there or not depending on the tides. If they don't know
they can always ask in the pub.

Golden Ball in Oxcliffe Hill, Lancs.

Correct.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

David Hansen said:

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:46:12 GMT someone who may be
[email hidden] wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have seen the car park of a pub which had (and probably still has)
a mark on the wall indicating how high up high tides will be. It is
left to the intelligence of motorists to work out whether they
should park there or not depending on the tides. If they don't know
they can always ask in the pub.

Golden Ball in Oxcliffe Hill, Lancs.

Correct.

The main car park is round the back, thobut. And the major chiz is that the
camp site next door has turned the bit we used to use over to static
caravans, so the BHPC doesn't get to drink in the Golden Ball any more :-(

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
I have a shell collection, have you seen it? I keep it scattered
on the world's beaches.

David Hansen said:

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:30 GMT someone who may be TheMgt
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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The only ones I know of were on the Frederick St/George St junction. I
never saw the point of these.

These rising bollards stopped motorists rat running down the George
Street, which they did before and now do again, ignoring "minor"
things like road signs and traffic orders in the process.

When you say "rat running" do you mean passing and repassing?

Quoted message said:

The intention was to make George Street a calm public realm, with
access for parking still possible to all parts of the street.

Why not do it using common sense then, as they realised in Fryslân a
decade or two ago?

--
Matt B

Dave Larrington said:

David Hansen said:

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:46:12 GMT someone who may be
[email hidden] wrote this:-

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> I have seen the car park of a pub which had (and probably still has)
> a mark on the wall indicating how high up high tides will be. It is
> left to the intelligence of motorists to work out whether they
> should park there or not depending on the tides. If they don't know
> they can always ask in the pub.

Golden Ball in Oxcliffe Hill, Lancs.

The Blue(?) Anchor, Bosham wot is in Sussex has a similarly noted
wall. A fiend of mine,salty sea dog yotty type and Should Know Better,
parked his ageing Chavalier there and Lo! the tide came in and it had
to be towed out by a Big Tractor.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Correct.

The main car park is round the back, thobut. And the major chiz is that the
camp site next door has turned the bit we used to use over to static
caravans, so the BHPC doesn't get to drink in the Golden Ball any more :-(

IRTA "satanic caravans" AISMS.

Tim

spindrift said:

Anyone who doubts the utter stupidity of some drivers:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=411423&in_page_id=1770

(Click the "Watch the CCTV video here" link).

Another idiot has been caught on camera:

http://www.break.com/index/another_car_versus_metal_pole.html

--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in
session." (Judge Gideon J. Tucker, 1866.)

"Don Whybrow"

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Another idiot has been caught on camera:

http://www.break.com/index/another_car_versus_metal_pole.html

To see this one has to take all sorts of computer viral risks - it seems to
me.
Knobs to that.

--
John Clayton
www.calder-clarion.co.uk

You lot are a bunch of hippie, red-light-jumping hypocrites.

in message <[email hidden]>, Nuxx Bar

(') said:

You lot are a bunch of hippie, red-light-jumping hypocrites.

Hippie? Yes, that's me. Red-light-jumping? No. Hypocrite? probably, on
occasion, but not about jumping red lights.

--
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;; Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.

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Nuxx Bar said:

You lot are a bunch of hippie, red-light-jumping hypocrites.

True, false, true.

"John Clayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Don Whybrow"

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Another idiot has been caught on camera:

http://www.break.com/index/another_car_versus_metal_pole.html

To see this one has to take all sorts of computer viral risks - it seems

to

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me.
Knobs to that.

Do you think these things are planted by petrol-heads, thinking that we
wouldn't miss an opportunity to laugh at a motorist's faux-pas, in order to
disable our computers?

--
David Lloyd,
The pub is responsible for my opinions.

In article <[email hidden]>

John Clayton said:

"Don Whybrow"

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Another idiot has been caught on camera:

http://www.break.com/index/another_car_versus_metal_pole.html

To see this one has to take all sorts of computer viral risks - it seems to
me.

How so?

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>

John Clayton said:

"Don Whybrow"

Quoted message said:

Another idiot has been caught on camera:

http://www.break.com/index/another_car_versus_metal_pole.html

To see this one has to take all sorts of computer viral risks - it seems to
me.

How so?

Quite, I am a regular visitor to that site and I have never had any
problems. Mind you I keep my malware protection up to date and disable
pop-ups, cookies etc..

--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

Wit levels low. Attempting to compensate.