On Aug 22, 12:44 pm, Jay Beattie <
[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 9:11 am, [email protected] wrote:
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> > On Aug 22, 11:45 am, Jay Beattie <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On Aug 22, 12:22 am, bicycle_disciple <[email protected]>
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> > > > Both are ISIS BB's. ISIS designs have come a long way, now most
> > > > companies are switching to the outboard bearing design to take care of
> > > > some of the old problems with ISIS...
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> > > > I know FSA's MegaExo has outboard ceramic bearings (??)..
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> > > > I was doing a side by side comparison of Token's Ti ISIS drive BB with
> > > > Tiramic Bearings(http://www.tokenproducts.com/05htm/products.php?
> > > > pc1id=46) and MegaEXO Ceramic BB..
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> > > > In the end both look sweet, but the Token BB is cheaper. Thought I'd
> > > > ask someone here before making a decision. Technically, if you were to
> > > > get either one of these, what would you choose and what would be the
> > > > underlying reasons?
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> > > > Do Token BB's have outboard bearing design as well?
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> > > Does not compute. You either need ISIS or you need external bearings
> > > for a two-piece crank. What kind of crank do you have? If you are
> > > buying a crank and BB, go with two-piece and avoid ISIS/Octalink.
> > > Avoid FSA. If you are stuck with ISIS, buy a durable and less
> > > expensive non-Ti BB because you will have to buy a lot of them and you
> > > shouldn't waste Ti. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Let me clarify what I want exactly :
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> > Ceramic BB (ISIS) + a lightweight ISIS Crankset
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> > What I have now is an old shimano 9 speed dura ace (i bought it second
> > hand) with octalink.
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> > I wanted to know the best product combo to go for, and cheapest
> > option. I want to stay away from FSA but I'm not really sure why, and
> > why other folks don't like them either. Any particular reason?
> > Stronglight has a good reputation and that token BB looks sweeeet! The
> > cassette also has CT2 ceramic teflon coating which must be cool to run
> > with a titanium chain to minimize chainring wear. I'm not sure though.
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> > FSA on the other hand is popular in the pro peleton.. Give me a few
> > reasons to hate them and save my pockets.
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> Their products are flashy but not durable, at least based my
> experience with a broken wheel, BB and crank (and the experience of
> others on this NG). So, it sounds like you do not want ISIS but
> rather want Octalink -- which is a slightly more durable version of
> the oversized spline drive system. You can get any old Octalink v1 BB
> you like, but again, I would not waste my time with Ti due to the
> expense -- unless you find a BB with replaceable bearings. It's the
> bearings that fail because they are too small. I think RaceFace makes
> model with replaceable bearings, but I am not sure. -- Jay Beattie..- Hide quoted text -
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I got this from FSA's website.
ISIS-Drive vs. Octalink
ISIS-Drive BB's with 22mm diameter axles have superior strength and
stiffness compared to Octalink BB's (also 22mm axles), which in turn
were already an improvement over square-taper BB axles (17mm diameter
axles). In our testing, ISIS-Drive BB's are typically at least
20~30% stronger and stiffer than Octalink, for comparable BB's (i.e.
we weren't using M12 DH ISIS-Drive BB's). Strength and stiffness of
ISIS-Drive set the bar high in those categories. Going to the 24mm
diameter axle used in integrated-BB's offers a marginal improvement,
only a 9% diameter increase. In comparison, the 22mm axle is already
29% larger diameter than the old benchmark 17mm axle.
Currently, FSA ISIS-Drive BB bearing life is acceptable, although in
the past, many ISIS-Drive BB's suffered from short bearing life. The
same oversize axle that is great for strength and stiffness presented
engineering and manufacturing challenges to fit bearings with a high
enough load capacity inside the BB shell. (High-end Octalink BB's had
similar problems.) The difficulty of engineering ISIS bearings can be
evidenced by the fact that one of the 3 members of the ISIS-Drive
Committee never produced an ISIS-Drive BB, while another member was
the first to follow with an external bearing BB.
FSA has used it's bearing know-how to develop long-lasting ISIS-Drive
bearing BB's. Last year, CSC was on ISIS-Drive with good results
(ridden to 3 stage wins in the Tour de France)! We have taken the
feedback from CSC and have continued to improve our ISIS-Drive BB's by
introducing high-end quadruple bearing versions with improved sealing,
under the designation "MegaQuad".