Whither Goest Carl Fogel?



"Jasper Janssen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:17:14 -0700, "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I asked Carl and he says he is ok but gone from here - it sounds like he
>>does not plan to return.

>
> Did he say because of what? Or more to the point, who?
>
> Jasper


Well, he actually said quite a lot but I suppose that if he wanted to tell
the world, or cared to get into a pissing contest about a personal decision,
he would post it here. I certainly don't want to be his spokesman. I suspect
that he has found many other aspects of life more important and satisfying
than a newsgroup.
 
"John Dacey" wrote: I suppose I could try to claim that it was just a typo
that omitted the comma from "Whither Goest, Carl Fogel?", but in fact you
got me dead to rights. I am suitably shamed.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I prefer "Whither goest, Carl Fogel?" because it calls for an answer from
him. Perhaps those who know the answer can persuade Carl to respond, or get
permission to reveal what they know, or risk going to jail for contempt.
 
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:09:52 GMT, "Jay S. Hill" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>What a load of ****. About every ten years someone writes a book with
>this kind of premise, hoping to make some noise and a few bucks. And
>the putative-writer-in-lieu-of-Shakespeare is always someone from the
>upper classes, because we know that a middle-class guy like Will just
>couldn't have what it takes. Pfft.


Mainly it's that those upper classes have a valid motive for using a front
-- other people don't really have one. In Shakespeare's day, actors were
about one step up from whores, and not a large one, and writing plays
would be utterly beneath the nobility. We also don't really know of very
many people not from the nobility, aside from the occasional
marriage/death/birth archives.

>Some critic wrote that Will had "a first-rate mind running at white-hot
>speed" (or something close to that). The guy was a genius working his
>ass off. Zounds. Give him his props.


Some people also claim that the lesser works are actual Shakespeare and
the really good stuff was written by the Duke of Earl or whomever. Of
course, that could just easily work exactly the other way around: Yes,
Duke so-and-so published some stuff under Shakespeare's name, but it's the
**** ones and Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet etc. are all his own.

By now it's more of an in-joke thing than a serious argument.


Jasper
 
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:02:59 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I prefer "Whither goest, Carl Fogel?" because it calls for an answer from
>him. Perhaps those who know the answer can persuade Carl to respond, or get
>permission to reveal what they know, or risk going to jail for contempt.


ITYM for libel. At best. Contempt (of court) only works against judges
actually in session, neither of which criteria describes Mr Fogel.

Jasper