why do you ride on a shared path



On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:53:27 +0800, Mike wrote:

> Has anybody tried a piezo-siren? As used in burlar alarms.
> Could be connected to a 12V bike-light battery.

... or one out of a smoke alarm ;)

-kt
 
>NO. The point is that kids, like every other path user,
>should be able to keep left, especially on hearing a warning
>bell. (Which cyclists have a responsibility to use before
>passing.) That way, _everybody_ gets on well. It doesnt
>matter how slow they are.

My main beef is (and yes the kids,dogs do get in the way) but to a certain extent, so what!!! we are all there to get from A-to-B and get some exercise. Its not a race. My main thing with people sinlging out kids is the people who insist that they be allowed to fang around bikepaths irrespective of others and not applying some good ol' common sense around kids

Most kids over 10-ish are OK. Many younger ones are not
ready for roads or cycleways. Poor attention and reactions.

>And yet we legislate for them to have to ride on footapths exacerbating the whole scenario and putting them in line of people reversing out of driveways (but that's another thread's worth!)

>Sounds OK if you are watching, and tell them when they
>wander. Sometimes when I ring my bell, parent goes one way,
>and child the other. You KNOW there is a big chance of rug-
>rat dashing across path to re-join oblivous parent.

Is it really gonna kill you to slow done for a whole 3 seconds mike? After all, that is the exact stance we lobby to drivers...

>I never yell at little kids, just their parents. Unless
>unacompanied.

What the heck are you yelling for?
relax and enjoy the ride. 'Shared' isnt an individual's cone of silence!

>Well, my kid aint much use at flying a 747, but only time
>will fix it.

And that differs from what I said how exactly :)

> respect that if any of you fine people ever abuse my kids,
> quite frankly, youre for it!!!

>Are we threatening violence in response to hurt pride?

All depends on the circumstances really, doesnt it?
If you tick me off, Im gonna take exception but put it down to experience, as would the kids
But if you are like the A-hole on a roadbike flying along the richmond bikepath who couldnt wait and fractured 2 of my 2-year old's vertebrae (no bell, no verbal warning, just complained cos that kid scratched my bike), then yeah, Im getting mad.
That's an extreme scenario but Im illsutrating that my perspective is based on reality, not just my theor

>Easy there. Hormones and mothering instinct can make idiots >out of the best of us.

And you dont think perhaps hormones have a bit to do with some riders needing to feel like they 'own' the path? And as for mothering instinct, i dont qualify but my Fatherly instincts certainly made sure MrNutter wont forget to give way in future
(not that i would advocate that to anyone; as I said that was extreme)

>Its just the minority, as usual.

always...
 
Originally posted by J Asking
"Azza" <kearnsak@.(remove me).optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> One thing I feel very passionate about and that's my kids.
> I wouldn't care what the circumstance, if you ran my
> daughter over you would be a sorry person.

Yes, but what if your daughter was aimlessly wondering and
dancing about to Wiggles music and got in the way of a
cyclist? Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!

And that's based on what exactly?
Some wierd little scenario you have pictured to justify your angle?
Are these kids walking along bikepaths with ghetto-blasters pumping Wiggles now???

you make me larf! :)

I personally think that the wiggles are going to be outed as satanists who are recruiting our children to rise and.....
sorry. got a bit carried away there...
 
>>Really? Which fantasy forum are you reading? What people are
>>saying in this thread is that kids should keep left and if
>>they can't or won't then they shouldn't be on the paths in
>>the first place, which is absolutely spot on.

No fantasy, DRS. this thread.
Have any of you actually walked along a path and genuinely NOT heard that bikerider's verbal or their bell?
C'mon, you know you have at least once...

It all comes down to speed used appropriately.
If you insist on trying to fang past walkers for no justifiable reason whatsoever, quite frankly, youre (not you inparticular Drs, thats the 'collective you') a very sad individual and perhaps some of those products espoused in spam mail can help 'you'

So shall we all encourage kids not to use bikepaths until they are a responsible age? Hey, i know, let's licence them!!
Let's put yet another bit of fear/restriction/legisaltion/idiocy in our society so yet again the dullard conservatives can win

>>Yeah, yeah, big man, we're all shaking in our shoes.

Never said you should be. perhaps I didnt write that accurately.
If someone hits my kids on a bikepath my first thought would probably be it was my kid's fault but (refer other post re my 2yr oldcousin), if it is just plain recklessness by the cyclist then yes, I will take umbrage
I have learnt after almost a decade of commuting that yelling/agro/etc just doesnt work as I cant help knowing that the next time that driver sees a cyclist my shouting/abuse may cloud their judgement of said cyclist, and so the cycle (apologies for pun) continues...

anyway, perhaps we shall agree to disagree and if my kids get in your way, Im sorry.
 
Originally posted by flyingdutch
>>Really? Which fantasy forum are you reading? What people are
>>saying in this thread is that kids should keep left and if
>>they can't or won't then they shouldn't be on the paths in
>>the first place, which is absolutely spot on.

No fantasy, DRS. this thread.
Have any of you actually walked along a path and genuinely NOT heard that bikerider's verbal or their bell?
C'mon, you know you have at least once...

It all comes down to speed used appropriately.
If you insist on trying to fang past walkers for no justifiable reason whatsoever, quite frankly, youre (not you inparticular Drs, thats the 'collective you') a very sad individual and perhaps some of those products espoused in spam mail can help 'you'

So shall we all encourage kids not to use bikepaths until they are a responsible age? Hey, i know, let's licence them!!
Let's put yet another bit of fear/restriction/legisaltion/idiocy in our society so yet again the dullard conservatives can win

>>Yeah, yeah, big man, we're all shaking in our shoes.

Never said you should be. perhaps I didnt write that accurately.
If someone hits my kids on a bikepath my first thought would probably be it was my kid's fault but (refer other post re my 2yr oldcousin), if it is just plain recklessness by the cyclist then yes, I will take umbrage
I have learnt after almost a decade of commuting that yelling/agro/etc just doesnt work as I cant help knowing that the next time that driver sees a cyclist my shouting/abuse may cloud their judgement of said cyclist, and so the cycle (apologies for pun) continues...

anyway, perhaps we shall agree to disagree and if my kids get in your way, Im sorry.

I think some people should just be grateful that they even have shared paths. Just remember that where there is traffic there will be push and shove.

Although we may not have shared paths everywhere - there are ****witts everywhere, and when ****witts reproduce they unfortunately just raise more ****witts, the poor kids just don't stand a chance.

Due to a lack of bike paths here, I have to find a safe enough place to take my little girl for a spin, and lately i've been using the trotting track near my house. Just the other day, one of these weirdo horsie types turns up and starts yelling at me to get off the track. My daughter starts to get a little scared of the way this man is talking to her dad, so I told her not to worry about the man and to keep on riding. It seems that his main concern is that this is a horse track - for horses only. But I put it to him that when there are no horses on it - it makes for a really good bike track, especially for young kids to develop some skills with no cars to endanger them. He doesn't compute. He is now grabbing me by the arm and yelling that we are in danger of being run over by a horse. So I ask him where this runaway horse is, because other than this pshyco redneck ****wit, we are the only other mammals on the track. I also try to explain to him, that as a father, I am on constant lookout for danger to my child, and that if a horse were to enter the arena we would be off it in a flash. With this he lets go of my arm and we keep riding. But he's now so angry that I've rendered him speechless that he just follows us - just walks behind us. I can see that he's trying to come up with some more profanities - and at this point, I too am becoming a little scared. Finally he yells "I'm gunna report you for this c**t!" And I mistakenly reply "To whom ********?" At this he runs at me from behind with a truly evil look on his face. The hair on my neck stands up, and my first instinct is to grab the mountain bike by the throat and sprint like only Baden knows how - but then I look down and see a really petrified little four-year-old staring up at me all wide eyed. By now he's caught us, and he again grabs me by the arm attempting to pull me off the bike. My heart gives one really big beat, and I pull my arm free, and with the next motion I drive my elbow so deeply into his throat that I can feel his adams apple bounce off my elbow. Next thing he's on the ground, holding his throat and making a weird choking sound. I'm freaking out something bad. I stood there until I could see that he could at least still breathe, and then I picked up my daughter and her bike, and carried us out of there.

I waited all of the next week for the police to arrive, but they never came. Beats the hell out of me why...the guy knows who I am.

Think twice about complaining about who's using a shared path. I wish we had one. No matter where I take my little girl to ride, she's the one that ultimately suffers.

~j~
 
geeesh ,hope your girl still wants to ride after that GM

are you down on the mornington peninsula per chance?

the horse track down there is really nice for a walk (havent ventured a bike onto there) and apparently IS a shared path

Still, a guy on a horse is truly intimidating

probably hasnt followed it up cos his pathetic pride was hurt and advetising the scenario to the council/police cos they will only favour the majority in general, ie non-horse riders
 
flyingdutch wrote:
> we are all there to get from A-to-B and get some exercise.
> Its not a race.

dutch, I think the issue is more about safety here. But we
don't want to drop to walking pace all the time.

> But if you are like the A-hole on a roadbike flying along
> the richmond bikepath who couldnt wait and fractured 2 of
> my 2-year old's vertebrae (no bell, no verbal warning,

No bell? Give the ******* one for me. Cyclist _must_ use
bells on paths. Then the parent can take the kids hand while
the bike passes, and everybody is happy.
 
flyingdutch wrote:

> No fantasy, DRS. this thread. Have any of you actually
> walked along a path and genuinely NOT heard that
> bikerider's verbal or their bell? C'mon, you know you have
> at least once...

Eh? You took offence at the bell?? The cyclist is required
to use the bell. Its a warning bell, not a horn.

> It all comes down to speed used appropriately. If you
> insist on trying to fang past walkers for no justifiable
> reason whatsoever, quite

"fang"? Does not google.

> So shall we all encourage kids not to use bikepaths until
> they are a responsible age?

Until they learn to keep left, most definitely yes. If you
are in Perth, I can recommend places to teach them riding.

> Hey, i know, let's licence them!! Let's put yet another

strawman argument.
 
I'd agree that yelling at what you regard as inconsiderate path use generally does more harm than good (except for making one feel righteous) - especially if we want to maintain our ability to use them.

Sure, I've wanted to often in my daily commute, but generally just end up muttering under my breath, which satisfies my need for complaining while not making the situation any worse. Although when I come across people who I know see me and I know are making no effort to 'share' the path, that muttering gets a little louder :)

Example: Me and a few buds once decided to walk a large chunk of the Yarra trail one weekend. We're all riders so we were being considerate, checking behind us and so on. But naturally there come times where the trail narrows down and/or you mistakenly wander over to one side. At such a time as this some old crank came blasting up behind, no bell and no warning before slipping past with some abuse.. Now as a rider who might have muttered similarly (albeit quieter!) I was surprised that I was infuriated by his behaviour and got a gut-reaction of 'damn bike riders!' So if I think that, I'd hate to think what a non-biking individual might think...
 
"Mike" wrote
> "fang"? Does not google.

To fang = Go like Fangio. Yeah I know, so old the origin is
forgotten.

Theo
 
>>dutch, I think the issue is more about safety here.
>>But we don't want to drop to walking pace all the time.

what, you mean like the people.... walking?!?!
cmon, mike. geesh...


>> Eh? You took offence at the bell?? The cyclist is required
to use the bell. Its a warning bell, not a horn.

I see your Eh, and raise you! Eh? Eh?
no offence at the bell. just sometimes people dont honestly hear it and get the fright of their life as you pass (dont get me started on people wearing headphones!#@!#@!!)

>>"strawman argument"

Eh? wozzat?

>>Until they learn to keep left, most definitely yes. If you
are in Perth, I can recommend places to teach them riding.

At my local BBUG meeting (boroondara, Melbourne) last night the issue of 'lanes' on paths was mentioned/brought up as a proposal to council on shared paths.
See, Im not only agreeing with you. Im backin it up with action!
(He unfurls his cape and heads off the avert disaster wherever it may lurk...)

Youre on your own tho restricting who can/cant use shared paths.
'Children Overboard' on dry land, me thinks (must be an election brewing).

'Fang'. ... must be showing my age (36).

I dont google either!!!
Does that mean I have no place in modern society?
(rhetorical question people!)

Take care. hope I have pulled the thread back from the brink of cross-continent warfare :)
 
Too bad buddy, your mice. Thats if I catch you of course.

"J Asking" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Azza" <kearnsak@.(remove me).optusnet.com.au> wrote
> in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > One thing I feel very passionate about and that's my
> > kids. I wouldn't
care
> > what the circumstance, if you ran my daughter over you
> > would be a sorry person.
>
> Yes, but what if your daughter was aimlessly wondering and
> dancing about to Wiggles music and got in the way of a
> cyclist? Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!
 
"gravelmuncher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
> flyingdutch wrote:
> > >>Really? Which fantasy forum are you reading? What
> > >>people are saying
in
> > >>this thread is that kids should keep left and if
> > >>they can't or won't then they shouldn't be on the
> > >>paths in the first place, which is absolutely spot
> > >>on.
> > No fantasy, DRS. this thread. Have any of you actually
> > walked along a path and genuinely NOT heard that
> > bikerider's verbal or their bell? C'mon, you know you
> > have at least once... It all comes down to speed used
> > appropriately. If you insist on trying to fang past
> > walkers for no justifiable reason whatsoever, quite
> > frankly, youre (not you inparticular Drs, thats the
> > 'collective you')
a
> > very sad individual and perhaps some of those products
> > espoused in
spam
> > mail can help 'you' So shall we all encourage kids not
> > to use bikepaths until they are a responsible age?
> > Hey, i know, let's licence them!! Let's put yet
another
> > bit of fear/restriction/legisaltion/idiocy in our
> > society so yet again the dullard conservatives can win
> > >>Yeah, yeah, big man, we're all shaking in our shoes.
> > Never said you should be. perhaps I didnt write that
> > accurately. If someone hits my kids on a bikepath my
> > first thought would probably be
it
> > was my kid's fault but (refer other post re my 2yr
> > oldcousin), if it
is
> > just plain recklessness by the cyclist then yes, I
> > will take umbrage I have learnt after almost a decade
> > of commuting that yelling/agro/etc just doesnt work as
> > I cant help knowing that the next time that driver
> > sees a cyclist my shouting/abuse may cloud their
> > judgement of said cyclist, and so the cycle (apologies
> > for pun) continues... anyway, perhaps we shall agree
> > to disagree and if my kids get in your way, Im sorry.
>
>
>
> I think some people should just be grateful that they
> even have shared paths. Just remember that where there is
> traffic there will be push and shove.
>
> Although we may not have shared paths everywhere - there
> are ****witts everywhere, and when ****witts reproduce
> they unfortunately just raise more ****witts, the poor
> kids just don't stand a chance.
>
> Due to a lack of bike paths here, I have to find a safe
> enough place to take my little girl for a spin, and
> lately i've been using the trotting track near my house.
> Just the other day, one of these weirdo horsie types
> turns up and starts yelling at me to get off the track.
> My daughter starts to get a little scared of the way
> this man is talking to her dad, so I told her not to
> worry about the man and to keep on riding. It seems that
> his main concern is that this is a horse track - for
> horses only. But I put it to him that when there are no
> horses on it - it makes for a really good bike track,
> especially for young kids to develop some skills with no
> cars to endanger them. He doesn't compute. He is now
> grabbing me by the arm and yelling that we are in danger
> of being run over by a horse. So I ask him where this
> runaway horse is, because other than this pshyco redneck
> ****wit, we are the only other mammals on the track. I
> also try to explain to him, that as a father, I am on
> constant lookout for danger to my child, and that if a
> horse were to enter the arena we would be off it in a
> flash. With this he lets go of my arm and we keep
> riding. But he's now so angry that I've rendered him
> speechless that he just follows us - just walks behind
> us. I can see that he's trying to come up with some more
> profanities - and at this point, I too am becoming a
> little scared. Finally he yells "I'm gunna report you
> for this c**t!" And I mistakenly reply "To whom
> ********?" At this he runs at me from behind with a
> truly evil look on his face. The hair on my neck stands
> up, and my first instinct is to grab the mountain bike
> by the throat and sprint like only Baden knows how - but
> then I look down and see a really petrified little four-year-
> old staring up at me all wide eyed. By now he's caught
> us, and he again grabs me by the arm attempting to pull
> me off the bike. My heart gives one really big beat, and
> I pull my arm free, and with the next motion I drive my
> elbow so deeply into his throat that I can feel his
> adams apple bounce off my elbow. Next thing he's on the
> ground, holding his throat and making a weird choking
> sound. I'm freaking out something bad. I stood there
> until I could see that he could at least still breathe,
> and then I picked up my daughter and her bike, and
> carried us out of there.
>
> I waited all of the next week for the police to arrive,
> but they never came. Beats the hell out of me why...the
> guy knows who I am.
>
> Think twice about complaining about who's using a shared
> path. I wish we had one. No matter where I take my little
> girl to ride, she's the one that ultimately suffers.
>
> ~j~
>
>
>
> --
>
>
Good show! gives another thought as to why you call
yourself gravelmuncher. I guess he was munching his adams
apple though.
 
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:30:09 GMT, flyingdutch
<[email protected]> wrote:

>geeesh ,hope your girl still wants to ride after that GM
>
>are you down on the mornington peninsula per chance?
>
>the horse track down there is really nice for a walk
>(havent ventured a bike onto there) and apparently IS a
>shared path
>
>Still, a guy on a horse is truly intimidating
>
>probably hasnt followed it up cos his pathetic pride was
>hurt and advetising the scenario to the council/police cos
>they will only favour the majority in general, ie non-
>horse riders

Mr flyingdutch, would you please let everyone else know what
you are replying to. WTF is this about?

--
Regards. Richard.
 
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:05:38 +1100, "Azza" <kearnsak@.(remove
me).optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>Too bad buddy, your mice. Thats if I catch you of course.

What was that about his mice? And how did you know he had
mice? Some strange people around here.

--
Regards. Richard.
 
"DRS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Yeah, yeah, big man, we're all shaking in our shoes.

Why talk like a *****, man? Try to simply accept that
he, like most of us, is protective of his kids. And good
for him too.

Cheers Peter
 
"Muso" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Just wondering, you guys in the lycra, nearly all going
> through a midlife crisis or what? little kids on a
> "SHARED" path and ****** riders flying past yelling watch
> out!!! what a pack of losers, it's a shared path for
> christ sake! if you want to ride like real tossers use the
> road and yell at the cars. at least they'll hit you back.

Muso...you are the best - you speak for all us innocent
pedestrians who are absolutely sick of arrogant cyclists who
think they can intimate pedestrians with their stupid bells.
I think pedestrians should stand up for their rights and
carry their own bells and and ring it whenever an ignorant
cyclist rings their bell. Stupid cyclists (especially those
in Canberra) know full well that cars are afraid to get in
their way.
 
flyingdutch <[email protected]> wrote in
message [email protected]
>>> Really? Which fantasy forum are you reading? What people
>>> are saying in this thread is that kids should keep left
>>> and if they can't or won't then they shouldn't be on the
>>> paths in the first place, which is absolutely spot on.
>
> No fantasy, DRS. this thread. Have any of you actually
> walked along a path and genuinely NOT heard that
> bikerider's verbal or their bell? C'mon, you know you have
> at least once...

If they are left of that white line I don't care if they are
as deaf as a post. I'll happily go around them at the first
opportunity and there's no drama.

> It all comes down to speed used appropriately. If you
> insist on trying to fang past walkers for no justifiable
> reason whatsoever, quite frankly, youre (not you
> inparticular Drs, thats the 'collective you') a very sad
> individual and perhaps some of those products espoused in
> spam mail can help 'you'

I'll travel at whatever speed I deem appropriate on the
alternative transport routes.

> So shall we all encourage kids not to use bikepaths until
> they are a responsible age? Hey, i know, let's licence
> them!! Let's put yet another bit of
> fear/restriction/legisaltion/idiocy in our society so yet
> again the dullard conservatives can win

Strawman. You're trying to justify kids putting others at
risk and that's not on. If they can't or won't do the right
thing then they should not be on the bike paths at all. The
laws of physics don't give kids any sort of exemption and
neither should you.

>>> Yeah, yeah, big man, we're all shaking in our shoes.
>
> Never said you should be. perhaps I didnt write that
> accurately. If

Internet threats tend to get short shrift, as they should.

> someone hits my kids on a bikepath my first thought would
> probably be it was my kid's fault but (refer other post re
> my 2yr oldcousin), if it is just plain recklessness by the
> cyclist then yes, I will take umbrage I have learnt after
> almost a decade of commuting that yelling/agro/etc just
> doesnt work as I cant help knowing that the next time that
> driver sees a cyclist my shouting/abuse may cloud their
> judgement of said cyclist, and so the cycle (apologies for
> pun) continues...

I yelled at that kid who nearly caused me to crash the other
day, you can believe that. He just blithely drifted across
the white line for no valid reason right when I was passing
him, very nearly forcing me off the path

he thoroughly deserved it. If I'd actually crashed I might
have become seriously verbal.

> anyway, perhaps we shall agree to disagree and if my kids
> get in your way, Im sorry.

It's your responsibility to teach them not to.

--

"I'm proud that I live in a country where witnessing two
hours of bloody, barbarous torture in gloating detail is
considered indicia of religious piety, whereas a mere second
gazing upon a woman's breast is cause for outraged
apoplexy." Betty Bowers,
http://www.bettybowers.com/melgibsonpassion.html
 
Peter Signorini <[email protected]> wrote in message
[email protected]
> "DRS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Yeah, yeah, big man, we're all shaking in our shoes.
>
> Why talk like a *****, man? Try to simply accept that he,
> like most of us, is protective of his kids. And good for
> him too.

I'm talking like a *****? LOL! There's protective and
there's protective. If his kid puts me at risk he'll get
yelled at. I'm utterly unmoved by Internet threats.

--

"I'm proud that I live in a country where witnessing two
hours of bloody, barbarous torture in gloating detail is
considered indicia of religious piety, whereas a mere second
gazing upon a woman's breast is cause for outraged
apoplexy." Betty Bowers,
http://www.bettybowers.com/melgibsonpassion.html
 
Richard Sherratt
<[email protected]> wrote in
message [email protected]

[...]

> Mr flyingdutch, would you please let everyone else know
> what you are replying to. WTF is this about?

He's replying to message-id
[email protected] by "gravelmuncher".
Apparently cyclingforums.com is doing weird things to the
references which is why there's a bunch of posts that
logically belong in the same thread not grouping properly.

--

"I'm proud that I live in a country where witnessing two
hours of bloody, barbarous torture in gloating detail is
considered indicia of religious piety, whereas a mere second
gazing upon a woman's breast is cause for outraged
apoplexy." Betty Bowers,
http://www.bettybowers.com/melgibsonpassion.html