La Dolce Vita

[Jack Hollis]

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:55:15 GMT, "Steven L. Sheffield"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Of the 189 medical checkups performed at the start of the Tour, the average
>hematocrit was 44.8% and the average haemoglobin was 14.9g/dl. As the Tour
>progressed, there were 107 additional blood controls carried out before July
>13, which showed averages of 43.3% for hematocrit and 14.6g/dl for
>haemoglobin. During the last week of the Tour, 80 blood controls were
>performed, and the average hematocrit and haemoglobin were 42.3% and
>14.1g/dl respectively.

If that was the average, I assume that some riders had a greater
difference than the whole group. I'd like to know which rider had the
greatest difference and which one had the least. Perhaps this is a
way to detect who's using EPO or blood doping.

There has to be some method to standardize this. Just like they use
the above 50% level to assume doping, they could also set levels for
reduction of rbc's over a three week period to assume doping.

 

[Dan Connelly]

B. Lafferty wrote:
> "Steven L. Sheffield" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:BD31553E.3F513%[email protected]...

>>I wonder what Lafferty will make of this:
>>
>>Source: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jul04/jul30news3
>>
>>Of the 189 medical checkups performed at the start of the Tour, the
>
> average
>
>>hematocrit was 44.8% and the average haemoglobin was 14.9g/dl. As the Tour
>>progressed, there were 107 additional blood controls carried out before
>
> July
>
>>13, which showed averages of 43.3% for hematocrit and 14.6g/dl for
>>haemoglobin. During the last week of the Tour, 80 blood controls were
>>performed, and the average hematocrit and haemoglobin were 42.3% and
>>14.1g/dl respectively.
>
>
> Why, the doping problem has been solved!! Seriously, given value
> manipulations and the use of preparation not possible to detect, I suspect
> the problem is far from solved. Some will say that this indicates the
> playing field may be getting more level, but, IF so, is that because of
> fewer drugs or that all are aware of and using what's available and
> undetectable.


This hematocrit test isn't "detecting" anything -- it's looking for an effect.
So I fail to see the point of Brian's comment.

 

[Steve Larsson]

[email protected]ospam (Tom Paterson) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >From: [email protected] (Steve Larsson)
>
> >after all, what does the uk have to do
> >with cycling?
>
> Chris Boardman, Sean Kelly, Sean Yates, Malcom Elliot, Martin Early, Stephen
> Roche, Graeme Obree.
>
> >This was only about propaganda from the beginning, and
> >the only way to get there was by cheating...
>
> Golly-gee, maybe not!
>
> > how different can the
> >Millar case be from that of his cousin >Armstrong?
>
> No possession, no confession?
>
> > TEXAS and
> >CYCLISTS??? you've got to be kidding, this is the land of SUVs and
> >cowboys for goodness sake!
>
> You forgot "oil wells". Maybe "JR", too.
>
> Um, ever set foot in Texas?
>
> >Let's vote in Bush AGAIN, yes-sireeeee!
>
> Let's not. --TP


how could you possibly not know that half of these are Irish (1000
times better than the brits or texans). besides, this was my point
exactly - these are the only names you can come up with- for every one
of these names there are at least a thousand spaniard cyclists you can
come up with , OR another thousand italian names, OR french etc. - the
brits and the us really should stick to those world sports they really
enjoy so much, like aussie rules, us "football", cricket, etc....

 

[Kenneth]

"Tom Paterson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >From: "B. Lafferty"
>
> >In Scotland, scotch is considered offensive as it is an English created
word
>
> Webster so noted. I omitted for brevity. (Well, that's scotched <g>)
>
> We're in the USA, remember?

You are just another provincial American. Don't forget your "Ugly American"
name tag when you travel abroad.

 

[Jack Hollis]

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:03:04 GMT, "Kenneth" <[email protected]> wrote:

>You are just another provincial American. Don't forget your "Ugly American"
>name tag when you travel abroad.


Traveling outside the US is fun, but ultimately the only place that
really matters is the US. If you're not in the US then you on the
periphery. The US's position of power and influence in the world is
unprecidented in history.

And if you're in the US then the place to be is New York City the
center of Western civilization and the only place that you can get a
decent slice of pizza or a good bagel.



In any case, here's a BBC article on how people feel about foreign
tourists. As you will see Americans are well liked and if there's
anyone who deserves the title 'UGLY" it's the Brits.


<<<<<Britons have been labelled the world's worst holidaymakers in a
survey of tourist boards around the globe.

Research by online travel service Expedia suggests Brits abroad are
the least well-regarded by foreigners.

They are the rudest, meanest, worst-behaved, most linguistically
incompetent and least adventurous holidaymakers, the study published
on Friday claims.

But the Germans and Americans are generally welcomed and topped the
poll of tourist offices in 17 countries worldwide.

Categories included behaviour, politeness, willingness to learn the
language, trying local delicacies and spending on the local economy.
And overall, the British finished bottom of the league table of 24
nations, which was topped by the Germans, Americans and Japanese.
Germans were the best-behaved and the British, Irish and Danish the
worst.

Simon Calder, travel editor of The Independent newspaper, told Radio
4's Today programme: "We put little value on learning languages and
the British consequently are guilty of terrible cultural and
linguistic arrogance.

He added: "All over Europe, the bartenders and waiters at the resorts
are steeling themselves for another miserable summer when the British
invasion begins in earnest."

Americans were judged the most courteous and the British the rudest,
alongside the Russians and Canadians.

The Brits also seemed to make least effort in speaking the local
language, a quality excelled by the Germans, French and Americans.
The Italians, Spanish and Germans are most likely to try local food,
but the Britons, Indians and burger-loving Americans are more likely
to shy away from native delicacies.

But the Germans did not perform well in the spending and tipping
stakes and were described as the meanest nation - closely followed by
the British.

The big spenders were the Americans, then the Japanese and Russians.
Dermot Halpin, managing director of Expedia.co.uk, said: "A little
effort goes a long way in a foreign country, and as much as it pains
me to say it, perhaps the Germans actually deserve to get the best
sunbeds."

1st Germans
2nd Americans
3rd Japanese
4th Italians
5th = French, Norwegians, Swedes
..
..
..
17th = Argentines, New Zealanders, Czechs, Finns
21st Indians
22nd = Irish, Israelis
24th British>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Phillip]

Jack Hollis <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:40:38 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
> > But for Simeoni to rat out Ferrari so he can race his bike faster is
> beyond contempt. Is it worth giving up you self-respect so easily.



He is/was a cheater, what self respect are you talking about?

Lifetime ban and stripped from the record books is the solution.

Phillip

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 1 Aug 2004 15:18:01 -0700, [email protected] (Phillip)
wrote:

>Jack Hollis <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:40:38 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> > But for Simeoni to rat out Ferrari so he can race his bike faster is
>> beyond contempt. Is it worth giving up you self-respect so easily.
>
>
>
>He is/was a cheater, what self respect are you talking about?
>
>Lifetime ban and stripped from the record books is the solution.

Solution to what? You ban one guy like Simeoni and feel all good
about being tough, while dozens or hundreds of guys aren't caught.
Great.

JT

 

[TritonRider]

>From: John Forrest Tomlinson [email protected]

>Solution to what? You ban one guy like Simeoni and feel all good
>about being tough, while dozens or hundreds of guys aren't caught.
>Great.
>
>JT

You would think that they would be attempting to get racers to work with them
to get a handle just what the situation is.
Banning someone for life doesn't give them a whole lot of incentive to provide
information. It does give them plenty of photo/press oppourtunities in which
they can claim to be getting tough on doping, next thing you know they'll be
decalring victory, and ignoring any evidence to the contrary.
I do not have a solution for the short term. The only hope that I can see for
a long term solution is to make the next generation of riders unwilling to
tolerate it at any level and to work closely with the leadership to deal wiht
anyone who is.
Until the riders themselves take a stand and are willing to police themselves,
or at least provide information that would allow effective investigation I
don't see much hope.
Bill C

 

[Tom Paterson]

>Subject: Re: La Dolce Vita

>how could you possibly not know that half of these are Irish (1000
>times better than the brits or texans).

My provincialism was showing. As noted, the point of "importance" was which
"national system" (that would be assuming some kind of coherent order) produced
said winning riders. My error, there, and admitted. FWIW, my framework was
"English speaking, not from USA/Canada".

>for every one
>of these names there are at least a thousand spaniard cyclists you can
>come up with , OR another thousand italian names, OR french etc.

Certainly not "thousands" of big winners.

> the
>brits and the us really should stick to those world sports they really
>enjoy so much, like aussie rules, us "football", cricket, etc....
>

Why? If you look at the history of US efforts toward Lance's victory string,
even though not entirely coherent, perhaps, there is a building, an improvement
of effort, with a big payoff, incl. winning the TTT two years in a row. And
Greg LeMond before, also very much known about in the USA. Cycling might not be
a majority sport, but Lance will make public appearances via the papers and
most all the morning and evening talk shows, as in the past. Combined with the
LAF and Suburu commercials, and USPS commercials, and Nike commercials, you can
bet that LA is very well known in the USA. There are even some good things
being written about bicycle racing in those daily papers. The US has fielded
some pretty good teammates for LA-- Livingston, Landis, Hincapie, Andreu,
Hamilton; and Jeff Pierce won the final stage into Paris, way back in '87, plus
the LeMond pro wins. You wouldn't want to take all that away from us, would
you? --TP

 

[Tom Paterson]

>From: "Kenneth"

>You are just another provincial American.

There's a rush to judgement.

That "provincial" thing cuts both ways. How long was it, again, that it took to
get the European Union together, and for that matter, the Euro accepted?

> Don't forget your "Ugly American"
>name tag when you travel abroad.

Thanks, I'll just wear my shorts, as usual. While trying to speak the language
and being courteous, of course. --TP

 

[Jack Hollis]

On 1 Aug 2004 15:18:01 -0700, [email protected] (Phillip)
wrote:

>> > But for Simeoni to rat out Ferrari so he can race his bike faster is
>> beyond contempt. Is it worth giving up you self-respect so easily.
>
>
>
>He is/was a cheater, what self respect are you talking about?


There is such a thing as honor among thieves.

 

[Graham Sharman]

>Germans were the best-behaved and the British, Irish and Danish the
worst.<

You shoulda been standing on the Champs with my "Germans" last Sunday week.

Obnoxious, smelly, shoving, drunken, know nothing, arshlochs.

Perhaps I shouldn't have yelled Jan Kaput.

Grumpy Graham