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  1. David Damerell said:
    dgk said:

    Maybe a generator isn't a bad idea since it really just adds a little
    more resistance and I AM doing this primarily for exercise and fat
    burning. But, if it is worth anything it is going to get stolen, and
    them I'm stuck somewhere with no lights.

    I've left my bike, dynamo and all, overnight in all kinds of places
    without problems - several times in London railway stations (some of which
    are accessible all night), in run down parts of town, etc.

    Generally speaking bike thieves are after bikes, not small bolted-on bits
    which are worth maybe a tenner second-hand. A hub dynamo is worth more,
    but of course if the bad guys can steal that they can steal the wheel, and
    you would be stuck whatever kind of lights you had.

    Someone stole my kickstand a few months back. I figure they must have
    cleared a good 50 cents on it. On a busy Manhattan street around noon.

  2. dgk said:
    David Damerell said:
    dgk said:

    Maybe a generator isn't a bad idea since it really just adds a little
    more resistance and I AM doing this primarily for exercise and fat
    burning. But, if it is worth anything it is going to get stolen, and
    them I'm stuck somewhere with no lights.

    I've left my bike, dynamo and all, overnight in all kinds of places
    without problems - several times in London railway stations (some of which
    are accessible all night), in run down parts of town, etc.

    Generally speaking bike thieves are after bikes, not small bolted-on bits
    which are worth maybe a tenner second-hand. A hub dynamo is worth more,
    but of course if the bad guys can steal that they can steal the wheel, and
    you would be stuck whatever kind of lights you had.

    Someone stole my kickstand a few months back. I figure they must have
    cleared a good 50 cents on it. On a busy Manhattan street around noon.

    ....and this is bad, uh +how+?

    -B
    <Fab mode on>

  3. On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:47:06 -0400, Badger_South <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    dgk said:
    David Damerell said:

    dgk <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >Maybe a generator isn't a bad idea since it really just adds a little
    >more resistance and I AM doing this primarily for exercise and fat
    >burning. But, if it is worth anything it is going to get stolen, and
    >them I'm stuck somewhere with no lights.

    I've left my bike, dynamo and all, overnight in all kinds of places
    without problems - several times in London railway stations (some of which
    are accessible all night), in run down parts of town, etc.

    Generally speaking bike thieves are after bikes, not small bolted-on bits
    which are worth maybe a tenner second-hand. A hub dynamo is worth more,
    but of course if the bad guys can steal that they can steal the wheel, and
    you would be stuck whatever kind of lights you had.

    Someone stole my kickstand a few months back. I figure they must have
    cleared a good 50 cents on it. On a busy Manhattan street around noon.

    ...and this is bad, uh +how+?

    -B
    <Fab mode on>

    It was worth FAR more than 50 cents. At least a buck.

    It's the sort of thing where you look and think, "didn't I have a
    kickstand on this bike? Oh yes, I did. Someone stole my kickstand?"

    Theft of bicycle parts should not be a laughing matter in a bicycle
    newsgroup. I like my kickstands.

    When I bought my first post-age40 bike I went with a friend who knows
    bikes pretty well. He insisted that I didn't want a kickstand because
    it would only add weight. So I ended up leaning it against things and
    having it fall over or scraping stuff. Lots of little dings and
    scrapes, all for lack of a kickstand.

    Yes, it adds a bit of weight. But I figure that I'm doing this for
    exercise, well partly, so it really doesn't matter if it weights a few
    ounces more.

    Anyway, I think that if I get an expensive light system and leave it
    on the bike, it will be taken.

    Ah, come Monday, riding home, I should have a much better idea of what
    I need in the way of lights. Hopefully I'll survive the learning
    process.

  4. dgk said:


    Theft of bicycle parts should not be a laughing matter in a bicycle
    newsgroup. I like my kickstands.

    No problem. Some of my best friends use kickstands. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    When I bought my first post-age40 bike I went with a friend who knows
    bikes pretty well. He insisted that I didn't want a kickstand because
    it would only add weight. So I ended up leaning it against things and
    having it fall over or scraping stuff. Lots of little dings and
    scrapes, all for lack of a kickstand.

    As an alternative, there used to be a little plastic thing sold by Jim
    Blackburn, a sort of stepped plastic block, about 3/4" x 1.25" x 0.25"
    with a short string to tie to your brake cable. It clipped onto the
    cable while riding. When parking, you'd squeeze the front brake and jam
    this thing in the lever opening, to hold the brake closed.

    This gave you a front wheel "parking brake." It made the bike much,
    much more stable when leaning against an object. It also provided a
    tiny bit of security for running into a store for a few seconds. (I met
    a guy who did that, and came out to see a teenager falling to the ground
    after trying to jump on his bike and get away.)

    Anyway, those Brake Blocks aren't for sale any more, AFAIK, but I've
    made replicas out of scrap plastic. It's another possibility. Or maybe
    a useful addition.

    Quoted message said:


    Anyway, I think that if I get an expensive light system and leave it
    on the bike, it will be taken.

    I wonder if that's true. I'd worry about a fashionable-looking
    headlight set, especially with quick-release clamps. But generator sets
    and their headlights have an un-sexy, utilitarian look. Has anyone here
    ever had one stolen?

    One thing's for sure: We wouldn't have to worry about Steven Scharf
    stealing it! ;-)

    --
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com.
    Substitute cc dot ysu dot
    edu]

  5. Frank Krygowski said:
    Benjamin Lewis said:

    One nice feature of the CatEye micro halogen lamp I have is that the
    lens can be rotated 90 degrees to allow sideways mounting without
    messing up the beam pattern.

    Whoa! Neat trick! I didn't know that.

    Yeah, I thought it was really cool when I found out they'd designed it that
    way.

    Quoted message said:

    BTW, I gave my Cateye Micro to a family member who needed it more than I
    do. But I'd like to buy another. Are they still for sale anywhere?

    I'm not sure. They don't seem to carry them any more where I bought mine,
    but they're still listed on CatEye's web page.

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Seeing is deceiving. It's eating that's believing.
    -- James Thurber

  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Frank Krygowski wrote:
    BTW, I gave my Cateye Micro to a family member who needed it more than I
    do. But I'd like to buy another. Are they still for sale anywhere?

    Benjamin Lewis said:

    I'm not sure. They don't seem to carry them any more where I bought mine,
    but they're still listed on CatEye's web page.

    It's still the #1 battery light at most LBS, yes? It is here.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  7. A Muzi said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Frank Krygowski wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    BTW, I gave my Cateye Micro to a family member who needed it more
    than I do. But I'd like to buy another. Are they still for sale
    anywhere?

    Quoted message said:

    Benjamin Lewis wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm not sure. They don't seem to carry them any more where I bought
    mine, but they're still listed on CatEye's web page.

    Quoted message said:

    It's still the #1 battery light at most LBS, yes? It is here.

    I was looking at Peter White's website the other day, and he had the Micro
    listed there.

    www.peterwhitecycles.com

    Matt O.

  8. dgk <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    David Damerell said:
    dgk said:

    Maybe a generator isn't a bad idea since it really just adds a little
    more resistance and I AM doing this primarily for exercise and fat
    burning. But, if it is worth anything it is going to get stolen, and
    them I'm stuck somewhere with no lights.

    I've left my bike, dynamo and all, overnight in all kinds of places
    without problems - several times in London railway stations (some of which
    are accessible all night), in run down parts of town, etc.

    Generally speaking bike thieves are after bikes, not small bolted-on bits
    which are worth maybe a tenner second-hand. A hub dynamo is worth more,
    but of course if the bad guys can steal that they can steal the wheel, and
    you would be stuck whatever kind of lights you had.

    Someone stole my kickstand a few months back. I figure they must have
    cleared a good 50 cents on it. On a busy Manhattan street around noon.

    People steal the stupidest things, but the thieves steal first and
    then try to sell later. Bike lights are a popular thing to steal. I
    guess because it's a complete item that anyone with a bike can use,
    while a derailleur or a seat may be a harder thing to fence.

    I'd be uneasy about leaving a dynamo system on my bike--the decent
    ones cost more than some commute bikes. A B&M Dymotec S12 costs
    $316.50, just for the dynamo, with about another $115 for the lights,
    about 9x what my high power quartz-halogen, lead-acid battery system
    costs!

  9. Zoot Katz said:

    Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:35:07 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>,

    Steven M. Scharf said:

    I think that the 3W dynamo powered lamps make a good back-up in case the
    battery goes dead.

    You mean, _when_ the battery goes dead on your plug-and-play bicycle.

    Dynamo powered lights are for serious cyclists. You don't need one.

    Hard to setup the tent by the light of the Dynamo. 🙂

    --
    Mark Wolfe Lakeside, ca http://www.wolfenet.org
    gpg fingerprint = 42B6 EFEB 5414 AA18 01B7 64AC EF46 F7E6 82F6 8C71
    If they can put a man on the moon, why can't they put them all there?

  10. Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:39:14 -0700, <P%Zgd.26184$SW3.4338@fed1read01>,

    Mark Wolfe said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dynamo powered lights are for serious cyclists. You don't need one.

    Hard to setup the tent by the light of the Dynamo. 🙂

    Can't patch a flat with its light either.

    I was carrying a flashlight for those emergencies but a white 3 LED
    blinky light on the handlebar made that redundant.

    Some enterprising tourist could be charging their cell phones, GPS and
    MP3 players with the dynamo during the day and still have light to
    ride all night
    --
    zk

  11. 30 Oct 2004 16:40:01 -0700,
    <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

    (Steven Scharf) said:

    I'd be uneasy about leaving a dynamo system on my bike--the decent
    ones cost more than some commute bikes. A B&M Dymotec S12 costs
    $316.50, just for the dynamo, with about another $115 for the lights,
    about 9x what my high power quartz-halogen, lead-acid battery system
    costs!

    Put your lead-acid battery back in the burglar alarm.
    You can get four Shimano dynamo-hubs for 316 bucks!

    You need a front hub anyway so why give it a free ride.
    --
    zk

  12. Zoot Katz said:

    You need a front hub anyway so why give it a free ride.

    Not quite free, unless dynamo hub manufacturers have found away around
    the laws of physics, or your rides are all downhill and you'd be riding
    a drag brake the whole time :-).

    --
    I do not accept unsolicted commercial e-mail. Remove NO_UCE for
    legitimate replies.

  13. Mark Wolfe said:
    Zoot Katz said:


    Dynamo powered lights are for serious cyclists. You don't need one.

    Hard to setup the tent by the light of the Dynamo. 🙂

    After the third day of touring, it's hard to set up the tent by the
    light of your rechargeable battery too. And just as hard to ride by its
    light.

    Touring - especially in fairly remote areas - makes good use of a
    generator's attributes. It lights your way as long as you care to ride.

    Sure, when touring, you'll need some kind of small, battery powered
    flashlight. But being on tour and watching my battery-powered headlight
    dim to nothing, with miles to go, is one of the things that sold me on
    generators.

    --
    --------------------+
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
    replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  14. Steven Scharf said:


    I'd be uneasy about leaving a dynamo system on my bike--the decent
    ones cost more than some commute bikes. A B&M Dymotec S12 costs
    $316.50, just for the dynamo, with about another $115 for the lights,
    about 9x what my high power quartz-halogen, lead-acid battery system
    costs!

    Yep, Steven's _still_ searching out the most expensive generators he can
    find, and quoting their prices as if they are the only things available.

    Complete generator sets, with headlights, are available from roughly $16
    to hundreds of dollars. Typical prices are about $50, not $432.

    Anyone interested can check The Yellow Jersey, Peter White, Sheldon
    Brown's place (Harris Cycles), Loose Screws, etc. etc.

    Here's just one.
    http://www.thethirdhand.com/index.cgi?d=single&c=Accessories&sc=Generator&tc=&item_id=UF-23009&id=68342941586

    or http://tinyurl.com/3w8r4

    --
    --------------------+
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
    replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  15. Victor Kan _UCEloopdrive.net said:
    Zoot Katz said:

    You need a front hub anyway so why give it a free ride.

    Not quite free, unless dynamo hub manufacturers have found away
    around the laws of physics, or your rides are all downhill and you'd
    be riding a drag brake the whole time :-).

    In practice the drag is imperceptible with a Schmidt SON, taking well
    under 10W, IIRC about 6W. Generator (or dynamo, I don't actually know
    the difference) hubs in general have less drag than those drive off
    the tire or rim and tend to be more efficient. The Audax UK Web site
    has a link to an article by Chris Juden in which the drag of various
    generators (or dynamos, if you prefer).

  16. Victor Kan _UCEloopdrive.net said:
    Zoot Katz said:

    You need a front hub anyway so why give it a free ride.

    Not quite free, unless dynamo hub manufacturers have found away
    around the laws of physics, or your rides are all downhill and you'd
    be riding a drag brake the whole time :-).

    In practice the drag is imperceptible with a Schmidt SON, taking well
    under 10W, IIRC about 6W. Generator (or dynamo, I don't actually know
    the difference) hubs in general have less drag than those drive off
    the tire or rim and tend to be more efficient. The Audax UK Web site
    has a link to an article by Chris Juden in which the drag of various
    generators (or dynamos, if you prefer).

  17. Frank Krygowski said:
    Steven Scharf said:

    I'd be uneasy about leaving a dynamo system on my bike--the decent
    ones cost more than some commute bikes. A B&M Dymotec S12 costs
    $316.50, just for the dynamo, with about another $115 for the
    lights, about 9x what my high power quartz-halogen, lead-acid
    battery system costs!

    Yep, Steven's _still_ searching out the most expensive generators he
    can find, and quoting their prices as if they are the only things
    available.

    Indeed, the Cadillac setup is the Schmidt hub- mine cost me (with
    Lumotec Oval light) under $200. Of course, I also had to buy spokes
    to build it up into a wheel. If you can't build your own wheel, you
    have to factor that cost into it.

  18. Frank Krygowski said:
    Steven Scharf said:


    I'd be uneasy about leaving a dynamo system on my bike--the decent
    ones cost more than some commute bikes. A B&M Dymotec S12 costs
    $316.50, just for the dynamo, with about another $115 for the lights,
    about 9x what my high power quartz-halogen, lead-acid battery system
    costs!

    Yep, Steven's _still_ searching out the most expensive generators he can
    find, and quoting their prices as if they are the only things available.

    It is his ideological insistence on 12V that is the issue. If he
    would thow out the tautological arguments and try a few 6V systems he
    might find something he likes at a lower price.

    - rick

  19. Zoot Katz said:

    Some enterprising tourist could be charging their cell phones, GPS and
    MP3 players with the dynamo during the day and still have light to
    ride all night

    How about a small rechargeable flashlight, like the ones that come with BMWs,
    which plug into a charger socket in the glovebox.

    Matt O.

  20. Zoot Katz said:

    Some enterprising tourist could be charging their cell phones, GPS and
    MP3 players with the dynamo during the day and still have light to
    ride all night

    How about a small rechargeable flashlight, like the ones that come with BMWs,
    which plug into a charger socket in the glovebox.

    Matt O.

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