butter substitute

notbob said:

OK, I'm in serious need of cholesteral reduction. My last holdout is
my beloved butter (still gonna use real butter on my grilled wild
Sockeye salmon tonight!! 🙂. I gotta find one of those healthy
no-cholesterol, no-trans-fat, sodium-free, non-hydrogenated,
free-range, dairy-free, non-genetically engineered, frontal
lobotomized, save-the-children-oceans-air, pro-choice, butter
substitutes that will extend my life until my SS runs out and I can be
a healthy drooling idiot sleeping under a bridge. Preferably, it
should actaully taste in the same galaxy as butter and not be a
semi-pourable liquid at below freezing temperatures. Any
recommendations?

nb

Start reading the labels of the whipped margarines. I use Parkay.
0 cholesteral, 0 transfat. 7g fat (1.5g saturated fat)
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I-zheet M'drurz said:

sarah bennett spaketh thusly:

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(PS: I use the spray/baking/"Pam" stuff on my popcorn, only
to help heep the garlic/onion powder mixture reasonably
attached.)

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we do butter-parmesan-cayenne here, usually. but I'm thinking
that sweet kettle corn could be nice the next night we're up
watching a movie.

A couple of qualifiers here: 1) It's been so long since I've had
"real" kettle corn that I might be easily impressed by a kettle
corn "wannabe", and B) I really do prefer bulk popcorn made in my
microwave popper bowl (yep, I'll use Parm too, as a treat), but...

Jolly Time makes a decent microwave lo cal/lo fat kettle corn, 225
cals for the whole bag, same as their ultra-low butter product.

I do not eat microwave popcorn. I have tried the ones made with
non-hydrogenated oils and natural flavors, and i still prefer to make it
in my cast iron dutch oven. It doesnt really take much more time or
effort, is much cheaper, wastes less packaging, and I can flavor it
however I want.

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Any

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recommendations?

nb

Earth Balance is really really REALLY good. I get it at Trader Joes or a
chain we have called Fred Meyers. I bake with it and people say "how can
this be...you don't eat butter". I even make something gheeish out of it
by simmering some thin sliced of tofu in it until they are nice and
brown and impart a toasted flavour.
Keep in mind diet onlly goes so far in most people with lipid problems.
Activity and meds may be in your future, and those people who tell me
checkup after checkup...I'll get to that diet and join a gym....I tell
them to set a realistic date, and if they don't do it by then, have a
chat with themselves and possibly admit they may be facing meds.
Best of luck.
PS: Earth Balance's crisco substitute without trans fats is superb for
pie crust. I did a side by side comparison and the crust was definitely
better.
blacksalt

Andy said:

notbob <[email hidden]> wrote in news:_IKdndiHuKEDj0XfRVn-
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OK, I'm in serious need of cholesteral reduction.

A nutritionist told me to use "I can't believe it's not butter."

I won't give up butter, no matter what! The fake stuff is so full of
additives and [censored]. Butter is so clean and simple!

Earth Balance has NO fake stuff. Check out the label. "I can't
believe..." left me laughing.

jay said:

Dee Randall said:

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:46:38 -0500, notbob wrote:

Any

>recommendations?
>
>nb

Exercise or Lipitor. Eat the butter. Most of the substitutes are as bad
and many are worse, not to mention the fact that they are so tastey too.
Life has too many side effects.

Statistics: 50% of heart attacks occur in people without high cholesterol.
Hmm ... does this also mean that 50% of people who have had their
cholesterol lowered by statins still have heart attacks?
Just pondering...
Dee Dee

My friend that smokes 2 packs a day is worried about his cholestrol. Most
recommendations concerning health issues come from those PRACTICING
physicians.

99% (there are crackpots in every field) of docs would NOT advise
putting cholesterol control in front of smoking cessation. If, however,
you have someone who refuses to stop, you don't just write them off.

I actually don't understand what your two sentences have to do with each
other, other than they both seem somewhat snide.
blacksalt
practicing for, ohmygod, 14 years now.

Boron Elgar said:

What makes you think that the 50% who do not have high cholesterol do
not have some other risk factor for heart disease?

Boron

Such as age....I encourage people not to panic when their 86 year
polka-dancing GM has a heart attack.

Koko said:

I use Smart Balance "butter" and their mayo, which by the way is very
good. I also use grapeseed oil and olive oil.

Veganaise, in the refridgerated section of healthfood stores and fancier
groceries, makes a grapeseed mayo (eggless of course) that is damn good.
blacksat

notbob said:

kalanamak said:

Earth Balance is really really REALLY good. I get it at Trader Joes..

Yeah, I saw it at TJ's the other day and liked what I saw, but figured
I'd hold off till I looked at the competition. Well, I saw it and am
not impressed. Your "really really REALLY good" testiment appears to
be the clincher and I'll try some the next time I visit TJ's. Thanks.

And I hope lots of people use it and the food industry gets a hint.
At stores around here the cashiers having cards you can jot down "please
give more non-trans fatty foods a try". List any brands you have to go
elsewhere to buy. Takes 15 seconds while they ring up.

sarah bennett spaketh thusly:

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I-zheet M'drurz said:

sarah bennett spaketh thusly:

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I-zheet M'drurz wrote:

Re: butter substitute

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> (PS: I use the spray/baking/"Pam" stuff on my popcorn,
> only to help heep the garlic/onion powder mixture
> reasonably attached.)

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we do butter-parmesan-cayenne here

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Jolly Time makes a decent microwave lo cal/lo fat kettle
corn, 225 cals for the whole bag, same as their ultra-low
butter product.

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I do not eat microwave popcorn. I have tried the ones made with
non-hydrogenated oils and natural flavors, and i still prefer to
make it in my cast iron dutch oven.

OK (sigh) you win.

Maybe I missed a sign on the road or something (I am a man, so
it's a foregone conclusion that I'm stooopid, right?) but I seem
to remember you giving OP some good advice (which I seconded)
about -cutting down- on the butter. I was just trying to tell
them that popcorn needn't involve a thousand calories worth of
butter and oil to be good.

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kalanamak said:

Earth Balance is really really REALLY good. I get it at Trader Joes..

Yeah, I saw it at TJ's the other day and liked what I saw, but figured
I'd hold off till I looked at the competition. Well, I saw it and am
not impressed. Your "really really REALLY good" testiment appears to
be the clincher and I'll try some the next time I visit TJ's. Thanks.

nb

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Earth Balance has NO fake stuff. Check out the label. "I can't
believe..." left me laughing.

Would you include a link to the ingredients of earth balance? I found
the web site but they don't list the ingredients or display the
nutritional label.

Andy

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sarah bennett spaketh thusly:

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I-zheet M'drurz said:

sarah bennett spaketh thusly:
>I-zheet M'drurz wrote:

Re: butter substitute

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>> (PS: I use the spray/baking/"Pam" stuff on my popcorn,
>> only to help heep the garlic/onion powder mixture
>> reasonably attached.)

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> we do butter-parmesan-cayenne here

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Jolly Time makes a decent microwave lo cal/lo fat kettle
corn, 225 cals for the whole bag, same as their ultra-low
butter product.

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I do not eat microwave popcorn. I have tried the ones made with
non-hydrogenated oils and natural flavors, and i still prefer to
make it in my cast iron dutch oven.

OK (sigh) you win.

Maybe I missed a sign on the road or something (I am a man, so
it's a foregone conclusion that I'm stooopid, right?) but I seem
to remember you giving OP some good advice (which I seconded)
about -cutting down- on the butter. I was just trying to tell
them that popcorn needn't involve a thousand calories worth of
butter and oil to be good.

Okay, maybe I'll call you stoooopid. When did the OP, notbob, mention
popcorn or kettle corn? I seem to have missed that part; you're the one who
introduced the idea of popcorn. notbob wanted info on low-cholesterol
butter substitutes, not advice on how to season popcorn nor about your
favourite microwave popcorn.

Jill

I-zheet M'drurz said:

sarah bennett spaketh thusly:

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I-zheet M'drurz said:

sarah bennett spaketh thusly:

>I-zheet M'drurz wrote:

Re: butter substitute

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> (PS: I use the spray/baking/"Pam" stuff on my popcorn,
>> only to help heep the garlic/onion powder mixture
>> reasonably attached.)

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Quoted message said:

>we do butter-parmesan-cayenne here

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Jolly Time makes a decent microwave lo cal/lo fat kettle
corn, 225 cals for the whole bag, same as their ultra-low
butter product.

Quoted message said:

I do not eat microwave popcorn. I have tried the ones made with
non-hydrogenated oils and natural flavors, and i still prefer to
make it in my cast iron dutch oven.

OK (sigh) you win.

Maybe I missed a sign on the road or something (I am a man, so
it's a foregone conclusion that I'm stooopid, right?) but I seem
to remember you giving OP some good advice (which I seconded)
about -cutting down- on the butter. I was just trying to tell
them that popcorn needn't involve a thousand calories worth of
butter and oil to be good.

If i had an air popper, i would use that. but i don't and need the
cabinet space for other things 🙂 you don't need much oil to pop plain
popcorn in anyhow, a few tablespoons per 12ish cups all-popped popcorn.

*I* do not prefer butter alternatives, but there are some decent ones on
the market.

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aware of the manifold possibilities of the future

"I think there's a clause in the Shaman's and Jujumen's Local #57 Union
contract that they have to have reciprocity for each other's shop rules."
-König Prüß

Spectum also makes a spray olive oil that actually has a good flavor.
I use it with whole grain phyllo dough to wrap salmon sometimes. With
a berry sauce who needs the butter? Also try adding flax oil to
dressings. I have recently cut way back on my butter intake and miss
it less and less everyday. I have been even making scones with a non
hydrogenated palm shortening and apple/lemon juice combo. Quite tasty.

Brummel and Brown (made with yogurt and no trans fats) is fairly good.

Still doesn't taste as good as real butter, but for a substitute, it's
not bad.

jmcquown spaketh thusly:

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Okay, maybe I'll call you stoooopid. When did the OP, notbob,
mention popcorn or kettle corn?

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Re: butter substitute

Me: I do popcorn using very little / no butter

You: I douse mine in butter and add some Parmesan cheese for a
little extra fat content (oink, oink)

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I seem to have missed that part; you're the one who introduced the
idea of popcorn.

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Re: butter substitute

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notbob wanted info on low-cholesterol butter substitutes

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I have tried the ones made with non-hydrogenated oils...

Me: here's a microwave kettle corn that's low fat, low calorie

You: I toss some oil (oink oink) in my cast iron dutch oven and
-then- I douse it in butter (oink oink) and add pepper and...

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not advice on
how to season popcorn

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Re: butter substitute

Never tried to tell him how to season it (you're the one who felt
the need to play "one ups" with that) only told him that a blast
of Pam on dry popped popcorn (aka "NO BUTTER/OIL POPPED"😉 does
wonders for making the seasoning of choice stick to the popcorn.

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nor about your favourite microwave
popcorn.

I presented "mine" only as an alternative to your (oink, oink) pot
full of oil and sugar (EARTH TO JILL, EARTH TO JILL: Did you
*ever* get the idea that OP needs to eat a little healthier??? )

I could've predicted it - you would never admit you were wrong.
Guaranteed, like the sun coming up in the morning.

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jmcquown spaketh thusly:

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Okay, maybe I'll call you stoooopid. When did the OP, notbob,
mention popcorn or kettle corn?

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Re: butter substitute

Me: I do popcorn using very little / no butter

You: I douse mine in butter and add some Parmesan cheese for a
little extra fat content (oink, oink)

YOU who?! God, you can't even quote with proper attributions.

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I seem to have missed that part; you're the one who introduced the
idea of popcorn.

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Re: butter substitute

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notbob wanted info on low-cholesterol butter substitutes

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I have tried the ones made with non-hydrogenated oils...

Me: here's a microwave kettle corn that's low fat, low calorie

You: I toss some oil (oink oink) in my cast iron dutch oven and
-then- I douse it in butter (oink oink) and add pepper and...

Again, YOU who?? It wasn't ME.

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not advice on
how to season popcorn

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Re: butter substitute

Never tried to tell him how to season it (you're the one who felt
the need to play "one ups" with that) only told him that a blast
of Pam on dry popped popcorn (aka "NO BUTTER/OIL POPPED"😉 does
wonders for making the seasoning of choice stick to the popcorn.

I (that's ME, JILL) never mentioned POPCORN until I replied to your
suggestions about POPCORN.

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nor about your favourite microwave
popcorn.

I presented "mine" only as an alternative to your (oink, oink) pot
full of oil and sugar (EARTH TO JILL, EARTH TO JILL: Did you
*ever* get the idea that OP needs to eat a little healthier??? )

Did you ever get the idea POPCORN has nothing to do with butter substitutes?
And pigging out on popcorn ain't exactly healthy?

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I could've predicted it - you would never admit you were wrong.
Guaranteed, like the sun coming up in the morning.

I (JILL) *only* replied to the OP's thread suggesting BENECOL spread as a
butter alternative. Better re-read your own sig line and follow it
accordingly.

Jill

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jmcquown spaketh thusly:

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Okay, maybe I'll call you stoooopid. When did the OP, notbob,
mention popcorn or kettle corn?

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> Re: butter substitute

Me: I do popcorn using very little / no butter

You: I douse mine in butter and add some Parmesan cheese for a
little extra fat content (oink, oink)

YOU who?! God, you can't even quote with proper attributions.

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I seem to have missed that part; you're the one who introduced the
idea of popcorn.

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> Re: butter substitute

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notbob wanted info on low-cholesterol butter substitutes

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> I have tried the ones made with non-hydrogenated oils...

Me: here's a microwave kettle corn that's low fat, low calorie

You: I toss some oil (oink oink) in my cast iron dutch oven and
-then- I douse it in butter (oink oink) and add pepper and...

Again, YOU who?? It wasn't ME.

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Quoted message said:

not advice on
how to season popcorn

Quoted message said:

> Re: butter substitute

Never tried to tell him how to season it (you're the one who felt
the need to play "one ups" with that) only told him that a blast
of Pam on dry popped popcorn (aka "NO BUTTER/OIL POPPED"😉 does
wonders for making the seasoning of choice stick to the popcorn.

I (that's ME, JILL) never mentioned POPCORN until I replied to your
suggestions about POPCORN.

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nor about your favourite microwave
popcorn.

I presented "mine" only as an alternative to your (oink, oink) pot
full of oil and sugar (EARTH TO JILL, EARTH TO JILL: Did you
*ever* get the idea that OP needs to eat a little healthier??? )

Did you ever get the idea POPCORN has nothing to do with butter

substitutes?

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And pigging out on popcorn ain't exactly healthy?

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I could've predicted it - you would never admit you were wrong.
Guaranteed, like the sun coming up in the morning.

I (JILL) *only* replied to the OP's thread suggesting BENECOL spread as a
butter alternative. Better re-read your own sig line and follow it
accordingly.

Jill

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You might re-read your own post, in which you stated in reply to a post by
Sarah Bennett who simply stated to use less butter (and I quote):

Start by cutting a stick into 1 Tbsp "pats". Every time you eat

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one (realize that you might have eaten 2 or 3's worth before you
discovered 'portion control'😉 say to yourself - I am ingesting
100 calories of pure FAT.

It worked for me. In fact, a week ago I started cutting my Tbsp
portions in half. It's amazing how many things that used to need
a whole pat now STILL WORK with a half!

(PS: I use the spray/baking/"Pam" stuff on my popcorn, only to
help heep the garlic/onion powder mixture reasonably attached.)

That's right, you're the one who started the popcorn stuff, aren't you?
That's right, you brought up the PAM spray and seasoning popcorn in a butter
substitute thread. Not me. LOL Ask 'ur' mommy if it's still okay for 'u'
to play with her computer until school starts.

Jill

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"notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote

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OK, I'm in serious need of cholesteral reduction.
I gotta find one of those healthy
butter
substitutes

How much butter are you eating/using now? Reducing dietary cholesterol
is just one way to improving blood cholesterol levels, and if you
eliminate other sources of animal fats, a *little* butter probably
won't hurt a great deal. But save it for special -- don't go massaging
butter under the skin to roast a chicken! There are many sauces other
than butter ones for meat and veg.

There are many cholesterol-reducing medications now, and common or
garden weight loss usualy makes a difference, if appropriate.

I would not for "substitutes," but for recipes and methods that don't
require butter. Cook with oil. Skip the pancakes for breakfast. Does
your salmon really *require* butter? It's a fatty fish anyhow. Grill
with a spicy glaze or sear with a sesame seed 'crust'.

I-zheet M'drurz wrote:
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hey, im a little overweight, but i can always lose the extra pounds.
you, however, will always be an [censored].

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saerah

"It's not a gimmick, it's an incentive."- asterbark, afca

aware of the manifold possibilities of the future

"I think there's a clause in the Shaman's and Jujumen's Local #57 Union
contract that they have to have reciprocity for each other's shop rules."
-König Prüß