I don't make this stuff up you know.

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked
so take this simple test of my credability. True or false
Keith Bontrager dug some new super champion 700c 40 hole
rims out of a dumpster and cut them down to 36 hole
mountain bike size these were the first aluminum mountain
rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat
diameter. Those of you who know give it a day so others
can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be
pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super
Champions or MA2s? And they weren't the first aluminum
mountain rims, they were just the narrowest and lightest
at the time.

Greg

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Charles Ramsey
Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so
take this simple test of my credability. True or false Keith
Bontrager dug some new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out
of a dumpster and cut them down to 36 hole mountain bike
size these were the first aluminum mountain rims. Here is a
hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat diameter and mountain
bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those of you who
know give it a day so others can read this.

I don't know if that is true or not. Its not like they hold records on who's the first at that stuff. Sounds reasonable and plausible enough though so I think you've proven yourself on this one.

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Quoted message said:

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked
shocked so take this simple test of my credability. True
or false Keith Bontrager dug some new super champion
700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them down to
36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm
bead seat diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm
bead seat diameter. Those of you who know give it a day
so others can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be
pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super
Champions or MA2s? And they weren't the first aluminum
mountain rims, they were just the narrowest and lightest
at the time.

Greg

I'm pretty sure they were MA40s. I wanted a pair, but on a
college student budget, couldn't afford them.

M

G.T. said:

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked
so take this simple test of my credability. True or false
Keith Bontrager dug some new super champion 700c 40 hole
rims out of a dumpster and cut them down to 36 hole
mountain bike size these were the first aluminum mountain
rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat
diameter. Those of you who know give it a day so others
can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be
pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super
Champions or MA2s? And they weren't the first aluminum
mountain rims, they were just the narrowest and lightest
at the time.

I know of Bontrager producing and selling cut down MA2s,
taking 36 hole 700c rims and cutting them down to 32 hole
26" rims. In fact some of those just went to auction on eBay
a few weeks ago. However, I could see KB doing some trial
runs with dumpster dived Super Champs.

On Mon, 03 May 2004 22:18:28 GMT, "G.T." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked
so take this simple test of my credability. True or false
Keith Bontrager dug some new super champion 700c 40 hole
rims out of a dumpster and cut them down to 36 hole
mountain bike size these were the first aluminum mountain
rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat
diameter. Those of you who know give it a day so others
can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be
pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super
Champions or MA2s? And they weren't the first aluminum
mountain rims, they were just the narrowest and lightest at
the time.

Greg

they were, i believe, MA40's, cut down from 36h to 32h and
rerolled... '87? - Ъ×

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Quoted message said:

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked
shocked so take this simple test of my credability. True
or false Keith Bontrager dug some new super champion
700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them down to
36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm
bead seat diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm
bead seat diameter. Those of you who know give it a day
so others can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be
pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super
Champions or MA2s? And they weren't the first aluminum
mountain rims, they were just the narrowest and lightest
at the time.

Greg

It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims
were re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's,
when mountain bikes were hitting their stride), but within a
couple of years Mavic was producing mountain bike (559mm
BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40 versions. I watched a few pass
through the warehouse where I worked 1987 to 1989.

I built up a couple of Araya 7X aluminum mountain bike rims
in 1980, so I know that they date back well before Keith's
experiments.

Jeff

Tim McNamara said:

"G.T." <[email hidden]> writes:

I know of Bontrager producing and selling cut down MA2s,
taking 36 hole 700c rims and cutting them down to 32 hole
26" rims. In fact some of those just went to auction on
eBay a few weeks ago. However, I could see KB doing some
trial runs with dumpster dived Super Champs.

36/40*622 is a lot closer to 559 than 32/36*622.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

charles ramsey said:

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked
shocked so take this simple test of my credability.
True or false Keith Bontrager dug some new super
champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut
them down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the
first aluminum mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims
have a 622mm bead seat diameter and mountain bike rims
have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those of you who know
give it a day so others can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be
pegged as a

troll.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super
Champions or

MA2s?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims,
they were just the narrowest and lightest at the time.

Greg

It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims
were re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's,
when mountain bikes were hitting their stride), but within
a couple of years Mavic was producing mountain bike (559mm
BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40 versions. I watched a few pass
through the warehouse where I worked 1987 to 1989.

Yes, I still ride MA-2 559mms:
2fortheroad.netbikes.htmlOpen ↗,

Greg

G.T. ([email hidden]) wrote:

: "Jeff Wills" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: > "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: news:<[email hidden]>...
: > > charles ramsey wrote:
: > > > Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked
: > > > shocked so take this simple test of my credability.
: > > > True or false Keith Bontrager dug some new super
: > > > champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut
: > > > them down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were
: > > > the first aluminum mountain rims. Here is a hint
: > > > 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat diameter and
: > > > mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter.
: > > > Those of you who know give it a day so others can
: > > > read this.
: > >
: > > Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't
: > > be pegged as a
: troll.
: > >
: > > And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super
: > > Champions or
: MA2s?
: > > And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims,
: > > they were just the narrowest and lightest at the
: > > time.
: > >
: > > Greg
: >
: > It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike
: > rims were re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the
: > mid-80's, when mountain bikes were hitting their
: > stride), but within a couple of years Mavic was
: > producing mountain bike (559mm BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-
: > 40 versions. I watched a few pass through the warehouse
: > where I worked 1987 to 1989.
: >

: Yes, I still ride MA-2 559mms:
: 2fortheroad.netbikes.htmlOpen ↗,

I notice that Sheldon Brown has some 559mm MA2s listed on
the Harris cyclery web site:

sheldonbrown.comrims.htmlOpen ↗

-Ken

Jeff Wills said:

It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims
were re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's,
when mountain bikes were hitting their stride), but within
a couple of years Mavic was producing mountain bike (559mm
BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40 versions. I watched a few pass
through the warehouse where I worked 1987 to 1989.

Bontrager re-rolled some MA-2 (or MA-40?) rims himself, then
he got Mavic to make him some (I think), then Mavic started
selling 559mm versions themselves. He's posted about this to
r.b.tech in the distant past.

Quoted message said:

I built up a couple of Araya 7X aluminum mountain bike
rims in 1980, so I know that they date back well before
Keith's experiments.

I think the distinction was that his were the first
relatively narrow, relatively lightweight 559mm rims; many
MTB rims of the time were single-wall and heavy. Were the
Araya 7X rims box-section? The Araya RM-20 is a box section
from the mid-late 80s, but is rather broader and heavier
than an MA-2.

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G.T. ([email hidden]) wrote:

: Yes, I still ride MA-2 559mms:
: 2fortheroad.netbikes.htmlOpen ↗,

I notice that Sheldon Brown has some 559mm MA2s listed on
the Harris cyclery web site:

sheldonbrown.comrims.htmlOpen ↗

Bummer, 28 hole only. I could build some cheap roller
wheels, though.

Greg

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Jeff Wills <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I built up a couple of Araya 7X aluminum mountain bike
rims in 1980, so I know that they date back well before
Keith's experiments.

I think the distinction was that his were the first
relatively narrow, relatively lightweight 559mm rims; many
MTB rims of the time were single-wall and heavy. Were the
Araya 7X rims box-section? The Araya RM-20 is a box
section from the mid-late 80s, but is rather broader and
heavier than an MA-2.

7X rims of that day weren't box-section. They were twin-
tubular, with a single wall around the spoke bed. Rather
broad and heavy by today's standards, but they were killer
stuff in the early '80's. I think they were standard
equipment on the original Stumpjumpers.

Face it- *everything* is broader and heavier than the 559mm
MA-2's, except perhaps the Matrix "Aero" rims that came
stock on a couple Treks.

(FWIW: I've got a couple of the Matrix rims sitting in my
garage. 36-spoke. One of these days I'll build a bike
around 'em.)

Jeff the Freaky Parts Collector