Best multi tool for touring



On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:57:35 -0800 (PST), datakoll
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The touring is too heavy and the racer leaves
>you stranded.

Turn your tools into drillium. At the torque used in bicycle
application you won't have any issues and think of the grams you can
save!
 
buy an extra Spokey. Smear linseed on the tool metal. throw it in the
BOTTOM of the pack.
Then buy a genuine shop Spokey from Universal Cycles.
 
still just me wrote:
>
> Chalo wrote:
>
> >The "French wrench" also works to toe brake calipers and true
> >chainrings. In a pinch, you can use it to true a wheel.
>
> My nipples don't like the thought of that.

My nipples explode with delight!

Sometimes the well-being of spoke nipples, rim, and shoe leather must
arrive at a compromise. Note that a crescent-type wrench has a slight
inward taper on the jaws. If small flats (such as those on a spoke
nipple) are placed as deep into the wrench's jaws as they'll go, and
then the wrench is tightened onto the flats and pulled back somewhat,
there will be a clamping force applied to the flats the helps prevent
them from being rounded.

It's not the best medicine, but it's often the best medicine available
at the moment. When the problem is chronic loosening of
insufficiently tight spokes in a wheel, such measures as this can keep
the machine ridable until such time as proper therapy can be
performed.

Chalo
 
the adjustable french wench became obsolete with the advent of the $2
walmart small visegrips.
 
On Dec 21, 6:48 pm, cmcanulty <[email protected]> wrote:
> Can we discuss the best overall multi tool, price, weight, functions?
> Especially for touring

1. Make sure your touring bike takes as few tools as possible. If
you're using a threaded headset, consider going threadless because it
eliminates the need for headset wrenches since a 4 and 5 mm Allen
wrench are all that are needed for adjusting it. Replace hex head
nuts for racks or cantilever brakes with Allen head cap screws, 4-5
mm. Install self extracting crank arm bolts to eliminate the need for
a crank arm puller and a big wrench to turn it. Install a SRAM style
quick link so you can break the chain without a chain tool if it gets
stuck along the chainstay. Still carry a chaintool anyway. Make sure
your spoke nipples are the same size for both wheels.

2. I don't use a multi tool so can't comment on that. I carry a
selection of Allen wrenches. 2-3-4-5-6 and that socket that goes on
the 6 to make it an 8. Black DT spoke wrench. Small swiss army
knife. 2 tire levers. Patch kit. Chain tool. The chain tool is a
Park model thats about $15. I cut off the part where you hold it and
took off the sliding handle and use an Allen wrench as the sliding
handle. Its now about the size of a .410 shotgun shell. I also carry
a used quick link or two (9 and 10 speed).

3. On tours I take along my Pamir cassette lockring tool just in case
I break a spoke on the drive side and have to get the cassette off.
Also carry extra spokes.

4. I don't worry much about the bottom bracket since its a cartridge
type. If it comes loose you can sort of hand screw it back in and
keep riding. Have to stop often but you can ride it. If the bearings
go out of it, just keep riding to a bike shop.
 
NEWS TRAVELS WHAT DEPT.

On Dec 24, 4:52 pm, datakoll <[email protected]> wrote:
> the adjustable french wench became obsolete with the advent of the $2
> walmart small visegrips.
 
Well, the best "multi-use 'tool'" would be a Credit card, don't you
think?
Can we get a flame war going whether VISA vs. MasterCharge (sic) is
best?

But to answer the question seriously, I would have to go w/ Chalo and
the tool-roll approach. (Rivendell sell or used to sell a product for
just this application.

Pureheart
 
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<[email protected]>,
datakoll <[email protected]> wrote:

> the adjustable french wench became obsolete with the advent of the $2
> walmart small visegrips.

I disagree. And that goes whether you meant "wrench" or "wench."
Vise-grips are the mother of all pliers, while adjustable wrenches are
the worst tool with which I will happily turn a nut or bolt.

Well, maybe one of those magic pin-sockets,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email protected] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
 
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:14:35 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]>
wrote, part:

>
>If I was touring, I'd probably want an adjustable wrench, and I'd
>probably carry a few odd other things.

My seat bag contains a 6" Crescent brand adjustable wrench. One of a
pair I bought in 1970 as a start on my bike-mechanics kit. Barnetts
Manual even describes the proper way to use one. It's a valuable
bicycle tool. Some would say it's indispensable.

Four bikes that have solid axles share a seat bag, I just swap tubes
when switching between bikes. It also contains a few allen keys, a
chain breaker* and the regular tire stuff.

The other seat bag gets moved between three bikes. It's got a
mult-tool and the other original Crescent wrench for good measure.

When I started back on the bike in 2000, I carried one as a matter of
course even though the bikes I was riding didn't need one. I carried
it for about 2 years without ever having used it so I removed it from
the tool kit. Shortly afterward there was a situation where somebody
needed one. I volunteered mine and then didn't have it. I figure if
the only reason to ever carry it is to help others with roadside
repairs then it's worth carrying.

Both seat bags each contains a corkscrew too so that I can always say
I'm riding a Swiss Army bike. I think the corkscrew has rescued more
people than the wrench but it won't undo an axle nut.

*Gotta get a new Park CT-6 for that bag.

Another advantage of separate tools over multi-tools is that you're
not as likely to lose half or all of them in one shot. I know two
people missing half an Alien tool. One lost his, the other found his.
Different models and both halves possessing a totally crappy chain
breaker.
--
zk
 
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:05:42 -0800, Zoot Katz <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:14:35 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]>
>wrote, part:
>>
>>If I was touring, I'd probably want an adjustable wrench, and I'd
>>probably carry a few odd other things.
>
>My seat bag contains a 6" Crescent brand adjustable wrench.

Dear Ryan & Zoot,

Real bike mechanics carry a proper 55-lb wrench to fit nuts and bolts:
http://www.trygve.com/ted_godofbikerepair.jpg

They also wear appropriate safety helmets and chain mail:
http://www.trygve.com/ted003.jpg

Details about Ted, the Norse God of Bicycle Repair and Maintenance,
are quite a ways down:
http://www.trygve.com/costume.html

The Spanner of the Gods cost $7.50 at a garage sale.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel
 
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:31:29 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:05:42 -0800, Zoot Katz <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:14:35 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]>
>>wrote, part:
>>>
>>>If I was touring, I'd probably want an adjustable wrench, and I'd
>>>probably carry a few odd other things.
>>
>>My seat bag contains a 6" Crescent brand adjustable wrench.
>
>Dear Ryan & Zoot,
>
>Real bike mechanics carry a proper 55-lb wrench to fit nuts and bolts:
> http://www.trygve.com/ted_godofbikerepair.jpg
>
>They also wear appropriate safety helmets and chain mail:
> http://www.trygve.com/ted003.jpg
>
>Details about Ted, the Norse God of Bicycle Repair and Maintenance,
>are quite a ways down:
> http://www.trygve.com/costume.html
>
>The Spanner of the Gods cost $7.50 at a garage sale.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Carl Fogel

--
zk
 
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> datakoll wrote:
> >
> > the adjustable french wench became obsolete with the advent of the $2
> > walmart small visegrips.
>
> I disagree. And that goes whether you meant "wrench" or "wench."
> Vise-grips are the mother of all pliers, while adjustable wrenches are
> the worst tool with which I will happily turn a nut or bolt.
>
> Well, maybe one of those magic pin-sockets,

There are specialized locking pliers that are designed to do a
wrench's job:

http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?prodId=IrwinProd100328

I don't think that is what Gene is talking about, though.

Chalo
 
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:10:07 -0800 (PST), Chalo
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>
>> datakoll wrote:
>> >
>> > the adjustable french wench became obsolete with the advent of the $2
>> > walmart small visegrips.
>>
>> I disagree. And that goes whether you meant "wrench" or "wench."
>> Vise-grips are the mother of all pliers, while adjustable wrenches are
>> the worst tool with which I will happily turn a nut or bolt.
>>
>> Well, maybe one of those magic pin-sockets,
>
>There are specialized locking pliers that are designed to do a
>wrench's job:
>
>http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?prodId=IrwinProd100328
>
>I don't think that is what Gene is talking about, though.
>
>Chalo


I usually carry a Phillips, Flathead, NeedleNose Vise-Grips, Allen
Set, a couple of rags. All small enough to fit in my travel pouch but
yet big enough to get MOST jobs done.
 
the hook jaw grip's goes witha 2 foot waterpipe over the knurled nob,
a can o PCBlaSTER, rotary brush.
brush the fastner, razor the first thread clear. PC for twoow eks
then on the 15th day use the hook jaw with pipe and snap that sucker
off.
 
On Dec 25, 7:15 am, "Harry (Lincoln, Nebraska)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:10:07 -0800 (PST), Chalo
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> >>  datakoll wrote:
>
> >> > the adjustable french wench became obsolete with the advent of the $2
> >> > walmart small visegrips.
>
> >> I disagree. And that goes whether you meant "wrench" or "wench."
> >> Vise-grips are the mother of all pliers, while adjustable wrenches are
> >> the worst tool with which I will happily turn a nut or bolt.
>
> >> Well, maybe one of those magic pin-sockets,
>
> >There are specialized locking pliers that are designed to do a
> >wrench's job:
>
> >http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?prodId=IrwinPr....
>
> >I don't think that is what Gene is talking about, though.
>
> >Chalo
>
> I usually carry a Phillips, Flathead, NeedleNose Vise-Grips, Allen
> Set, a couple of rags.  All small enough to fit in my travel pouch but
> yet big enough to get MOST jobs done.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

HARRY'S GOTTA NEEDLE NOSE! NYAH NYAH
itsa movement! we're off
eeeeyyahhhhahhahaahaha
 
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:26:23 -0800 (PST), datakoll
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Dec 25, 7:15 am, "Harry (Lincoln, Nebraska)"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:10:07 -0800 (PST), Chalo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>
>> >>  datakoll wrote:
>>
>> >> > the adjustable french wench became obsolete with the advent of the $2
>> >> > walmart small visegrips.
>>
>> >> I disagree. And that goes whether you meant "wrench" or "wench."
>> >> Vise-grips are the mother of all pliers, while adjustable wrenches are
>> >> the worst tool with which I will happily turn a nut or bolt.
>>
>> >> Well, maybe one of those magic pin-sockets,
>>
>> >There are specialized locking pliers that are designed to do a
>> >wrench's job:
>>
>> >http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?prodId=IrwinPr...
>>
>> >I don't think that is what Gene is talking about, though.
>>
>> >Chalo
>>
>> I usually carry a Phillips, Flathead, NeedleNose Vise-Grips, Allen
>> Set, a couple of rags.  All small enough to fit in my travel pouch but
>> yet big enough to get MOST jobs done.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>HARRY'S GOTTA NEEDLE NOSE! NYAH NYAH
>itsa movement! we're off
>eeeeyyahhhhahhahaahaha


That would be a needle nose VISE-GRIP type of pliers. One of the most
handy tools that I have!!!!!!! Can almost take apart an entire bike
with those!!!!!
 
On Dec 25, 9:12 am, "Harry (Lincoln, Nebraska)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:26:23 -0800 (PST), datakoll
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Dec 25, 7:15 am, "Harry (Lincoln, Nebraska)"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:10:07 -0800 (PST), Chalo
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> >> >>  datakoll wrote:
>
> >> >> > the adjustable french wench became obsolete with the advent of the$2
> >> >> > walmart small visegrips.
>
> >> >> I disagree. And that goes whether you meant "wrench" or "wench."
> >> >> Vise-grips are the mother of all pliers, while adjustable wrenches are
> >> >> the worst tool with which I will happily turn a nut or bolt.
>
> >> >> Well, maybe one of those magic pin-sockets,
>
> >> >There are specialized locking pliers that are designed to do a
> >> >wrench's job:
>
> >> >http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?prodId=IrwinPr...
>
> >> >I don't think that is what Gene is talking about, though.
>
> >> >Chalo
>
> >> I usually carry a Phillips, Flathead, NeedleNose Vise-Grips, Allen
> >> Set, a couple of rags.  All small enough to fit in my travel pouch but
> >> yet big enough to get MOST jobs done.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >HARRY'S GOTTA NEEDLE NOSE! NYAH NYAH
> >itsa movement! we're off
> >eeeeyyahhhhahhahaahaha
>
> That would be a needle nose VISE-GRIP type of pliers.  One of the most
> handy tools that I have!!!!!!!   Can almost take apart an entire bike
> with those!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

THE $2 curved jaw tool is grindable into a slimmer hooked nose, like a
parrot beak, tool useable for removing new or dirt filled Sram chain
links.
Both models are side grindable to fit over cone nut surfaces, doig
away with the noramllay useless cone wrench AND freeing a hand when
the grips are locked down.
HARRY! the plating isnt so good. Clean grips are plasticized with a
rust preventing coat of linseed by smearing linseed over the
toolinside and out then placing the tool in a plastic grocery bag,
tieing it shut tight, then storing the bag/tool in a warm place for
two weeks.
removing he tool, the linseed will have polymerized, merry christmas
David Johnson, and a rust free coat.
 
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