Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.

[Fred Fredburger]

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Fred Fredburger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Pudentame wrote:
>>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every
>>>>> cycler had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people
>>>>> have to go 15 mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can go
>>>>> no faster than 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
>>>> Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
>>>> weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
>>>> Department busy!
>>> You know, I'm not sure if you've just insulted the Cary Police or
>>> atheistic genocidal maniacs with weapons of mass destruction.
>> Maybe they've BOTH been insulted. Which raises the question:
>>
>> What if EVERYONE in the world, was some sort of HUGE drama queen that
>> constantly acted as though EVERYTHING that happened was the most enormous
>> injustice in the history of the universe and it was aimed at them
>> PERSONALLY? Then they'd constantly be walking around freaking out about
>> all sorts of trivial stuff as though they were HUGE ATROCITIES.
>>
>> I wonder what that would be like? Maybe we should ask the guy who answers
>> the phone for the Cary Police Department. I'll bet he would know.
>
> You've been watching far too much Paris Hilton.

Nope, just reading the thread.

 

[Stefan Wolfe]

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I hate to break this to you but gasoline taxes pay for only a small
> minority of the roads in this country and almost all of them are freeways
> or limited access highways.

Yes, and this brings out the sliver lining in the dark cloud of the bicycle
debate: Bicycles are not permitted on interstate highways.

Permitting them on most major roads and the state highways is the big
negative but the interstates are off limits. Sanity is restored. This is
where the government finally recognizes that bicycles are not in fact
"vehicles".

Can you imagine what a circus our transportation system would be if this
were not the case?

 

[Michael Press]

In article
<[email protected]
>,
"CopperTop" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Well now....isn't that a real intellegent and thoughtful response. No doubt
> all you're capable of.
>
> ========================
>
>
> "SLAVE of THE STATE" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Jun 8, 3:27 pm, "CopperTop" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> But my gasoline tax for my car pays for those paved roads they have a
> >> legal right to. Not fair. My tax money goes to build bike lanes. Not
> >> fair.
> >
> > Hey Dumbass,
> >
> > Taxes are never fair.

CopperTop, if you were as smart and considerate and
thoughtful as you present yourself, then you would not top-post.

rec.heraldry removed by request.

--
Michael Press

 

[[email protected]]

Stefan Wolfe wrote:
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > I hate to break this to you but gasoline taxes pay for only a small
> > minority of the roads in this country and almost all of them are freeways
> > or limited access highways.
>
> Yes, and this brings out the sliver lining in the dark cloud of the bicycle
> debate: Bicycles are not permitted on interstate highways.
>
> Permitting them on most major roads and the state highways is the big
> negative but the interstates are off limits. Sanity is restored. This is
> where the government finally recognizes that bicycles are not in fact
> "vehicles".
>
> Can you imagine what a circus our transportation system would be if this
> were not the case?

Bikes and peds, at least. There are also minimum speed limits which
effectively keep farm vehicles (and other, similar examples) off the
Interstate ROW's.

There are places, such as I25 north between Raton and Colorado
Springs, where, since there are no direct route alternatives, the
shoulders of the interstate are indeed marked to allow bicycle
traffic.

This IMHO is a fine example of "sanity".

"The government" (which branch? question begged successfully) always
recognizes bicycles as vehicles as far as I know. That is, the various
States (talkin' USA here) have included a statement in their various
Rules of the Road (compendium of traffic laws) to the effect that
bikes are vehicles, subject to all rules/regulations, with certain
exceptions and special requirements.

The difference you're looking for is "motor vehicle" v. "vehicle".
Other non-motorized means of conveyance are also vehicles. Ask the
Amish...

Everyone (I've never seen an exception <g>) who drives gets impatient
with "holdups", whatever the cause. The difference with some drivers
is the "bikes as scapegoats" attitude (shoe fit?).

You see the same old mistaken arguments over and over. But, bikes are
indeed vehicles, with their "drivers" endowed with the right to go
about their legal business while riding said bikes, just as the
drivers of MV's are given, by law. Gas taxes, etc. etc., have no
application.

If you're buzzing cyclists ("threatening with a deadly weapon"),
threatening by horn or verbal abuse, etc. etc. then _you_ are a
lawbreaker, no matter what the cyclist(s) did or didn't do.

There's a nice, wholesome "grow-up cookie" for you. Good with a nice
cold glass of milk and a napkin for after. Enjoy! --D-y

 

[Dan Becker]

In article <[email protected]>, geoff
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > If you want to come on here and flame, think about going somewhere else
> > where it may contribute something.
>
> No I didn't, someone cross posted to include the triangle newsgroups.
>
> I never read bicycle groups and do not care about them.
>
> If you feel that way then do not cross post and keep the messages in your
> own group.

The thread was started by I_tell_it_like_it_is, a Triangle poster. He
went trolling for the bike groups. And dragged heraldry into the mix
for inexplicable reasons.

I had a nice ride late this afternoon from 5 Points, out through Cary
to High House Rd. past 55, and back. Hot though. Waved to two of Cary's
finest. They did not arrest me.

Dan

 

[Phil Holman]

"mal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Come on Geoff. Of course you have a bug up your ass. You found a
> newsgroup on cycling and decided to poke fun, because one day you got
> stuck behind a nike rider.
>
> Who cares? I'm a social rider and a full time driver. All of us here
> are. I have probably driven more miles than you, and been stuck
> behind, and besides bigger arseholes than you have. People who have
> never ridden a bike. Thinkg is though, there are some drivers who
> through their driving and passive aggressive attitudes, kill people.

Wow, someone with more than a fair share of common sense able to put
this in perspective. You're right. I ride a bike about 5,000 miles and
drive my truck about 10,000 miles a year. Out of the truck miles, I've
probably encountered cyclists only a few times where they actually
slowed me down for more than 10 or 20 seconds. I wish I could say that
for all the other traffic out there.

Phil H

 

[Howard Kveck]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:

> "mal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Come on Geoff. Of course you have a bug up your ass. You found a
> > newsgroup on cycling and decided to poke fun, because one day you got
> > stuck behind a nike rider.
> >
> > Who cares? I'm a social rider and a full time driver. All of us here
> > are. I have probably driven more miles than you, and been stuck
> > behind, and besides bigger arseholes than you have. People who have
> > never ridden a bike. Thinkg is though, there are some drivers who
> > through their driving and passive aggressive attitudes, kill people.
>
> Wow, someone with more than a fair share of common sense able to put
> this in perspective. You're right. I ride a bike about 5,000 miles and
> drive my truck about 10,000 miles a year. Out of the truck miles, I've
> probably encountered cyclists only a few times where they actually
> slowed me down for more than 10 or 20 seconds. I wish I could say that
> for all the other traffic out there.

What's amazing is that the people crying about getting held up are apparently not
smart enough to realize that, once they get past the bike they think has slowed them
down so much, all they have to do is add a bit of pressure to the throttle and pretty
soon (like half a minute or so) they are back to the same place on the road they
would have been if they hadn't encountered the cyclist. Not much effort involved.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Fred Fredburger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "Fred Fredburger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Pudentame wrote:
>>>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>>> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every
>>>>>> cycler had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people
>>>>>> have to go 15 mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can
>>>>>> go no faster than 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
>>>>> Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
>>>>> weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
>>>>> Department busy!
>>>> You know, I'm not sure if you've just insulted the Cary Police or
>>>> atheistic genocidal maniacs with weapons of mass destruction.
>>> Maybe they've BOTH been insulted. Which raises the question:
>>>
>>> What if EVERYONE in the world, was some sort of HUGE drama queen that
>>> constantly acted as though EVERYTHING that happened was the most
>>> enormous injustice in the history of the universe and it was aimed at
>>> them PERSONALLY? Then they'd constantly be walking around freaking out
>>> about all sorts of trivial stuff as though they were HUGE ATROCITIES.
>>>
>>> I wonder what that would be like? Maybe we should ask the guy who
>>> answers the phone for the Cary Police Department. I'll bet he would
>>> know.
>>
>> You've been watching far too much Paris Hilton.
>
> Nope, just reading the thread.

Same-o, same-o.

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Stefan Wolfe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I hate to break this to you but gasoline taxes pay for only a small
>> minority of the roads in this country and almost all of them are freeways
>> or limited access highways.
>
> Yes, and this brings out the sliver lining in the dark cloud of the
> bicycle debate: Bicycles are not permitted on interstate highways.
>
> Permitting them on most major roads and the state highways is the big
> negative but the interstates are off limits. Sanity is restored. This is
> where the government finally recognizes that bicycles are not in fact
> "vehicles".
>
> Can you imagine what a circus our transportation system would be if this
> were not the case?

Not to point out your ignorance too forcibly but if there's no other side
roads, it is federal law that bicycles be permitted on ANY roads. Fact is
that the bridges across San Francisco bay which do not have a bike lane are
required to supply special transportation for bicycles.

 

[Stefan Wolfe]

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Stefan Wolfe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> I hate to break this to you but gasoline taxes pay for only a small
>>> minority of the roads in this country and almost all of them are
>>> freeways or limited access highways.
>>
>> Yes, and this brings out the sliver lining in the dark cloud of the
>> bicycle debate: Bicycles are not permitted on interstate highways.
>>
>> Permitting them on most major roads and the state highways is the big
>> negative but the interstates are off limits. Sanity is restored. This is
>> where the government finally recognizes that bicycles are not in fact
>> "vehicles".
>>
>> Can you imagine what a circus our transportation system would be if this
>> were not the case?
>
> Not to point out your ignorance too forcibly but if there's no other side
> roads, it is federal law that bicycles be permitted on ANY roads. Fact is
> that the bridges across San Francisco bay which do not have a bike lane
> are required to supply special transportation for bicycles.

Sanity prevails there as well. No bicycles taking up lanes at 5 mph and
blocking the flow of motorized traffic is permitted. The government merely
provides the means to get across the bridge, not to ride on the bridge.
Thank you for reinforcing my point.

Can you imagine what a circus the traffic on these bridges would be if this
were not the case?

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Stefan Wolfe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Sanity prevails there as well. No bicycles taking up lanes at 5 mph and
> blocking the flow of motorized traffic is permitted. The government merely
> provides the means to get across the bridge, not to ride on the bridge.

Perhaps someone with all the physical attributes of the cowardly weaklings
typical of those complaining about cyclists could only do 5 mph, but a
typical pace starts at 15 mph. You know - the same speed you're required to
go whenever children are present near the street?

> Can you imagine what a circus the traffic on these bridges would be if
> this
> were not the case?

Here's the problem - you have absolutely no idea about reality and use your
quite twisted imagination to invent scenarios that make Dante seem dull.

My guess is that you're at least 100 lbs overweight.

 

[Stefan Wolfe]

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> My guess is that you're at least 100 lbs overweight.

My guess is that your wife cheated on you so you got divorced and you
subsist as a barely functional alchoholic. Am I close?

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Stefan Wolfe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> My guess is that you're at least 100 lbs overweight.
>
> My guess is that your wife cheated on you so you got divorced and you
> subsist as a barely functional alchoholic. Am I close?

So I got your weight correct and you are crushed huh?

 

[David Phillips]

On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:28:30 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com>
wrote:

>"David Phillips" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> No where in any of my posts have I written that rude behavior by motor
>> home drivers was excusable.
>
>You are a driver and they are drivers. Since it is your position that every
>cyclist is responsible for the actions of every other cyclist, then my
>response is that you are responsible for every other driver on the road as
>well.
>
> I have seen motor home drivers pull over for groups of cars.
>
>You are so full of **** it's coming out your ears. Highway 1 is narrow and
>very long and slow and it takes a long time to get to any place on it. No
>one pulls over for anyone else on that highway.
>
>> You've also failed to comprehend what I've written previously. I
>> gladly share the road with cyclists that will help me get past them on
>> narrow roads.
>
>Then what are you complaining about now? That cyclists should somehow kiss
>your ass because you accept their right to the road?
>
>> I have the utmost contempt of vehicle operators that will deliberately
>> impede traffic.
>
>My guess is that you have never seen a cyclist "deliberately impede traffic"
>and that you are simply lying about it because you can IMAGINE it so.

All of your guesses are wrong, and your accusations are based on your
own imagination of what I've written.

Do be careful out there, whether on your bike or in a motor vehicle.
Your words in this thread make be think that you're setting yourself
up for a serious accident.

I hope that it will not be so.

Your words in this thread also make me think that you behave in a
manner that will continue to give motor vehicle operators the
impression that cyclists are total assholes.

 

[David Phillips]

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:13:25 -0400, Wayne Pein <[email protected]>
wrote:

>David Phillips wrote:
>
>
>> What I would encounter in the Jordan Lake area of Chatham & western
>> Wake counties were large group of cyclists taking up the road from
>> shoulder to center line, and making NO effort to help me get past
>> them.
>>
>> Those groups get a down shift into second gear, a side-stepped clutch,
>> and a rapid overtake in our travel lane before I move out to pass
>> close by.
>>
>
>What a man!
>
>And you get high blood pressure, car wear and tear, increased fuel use,
>and the satisfaction that you're a sheep in wolf's clothing.

Fortunately for me, I have no concern for your opinion.


>And guess what? It's not OUR (meaning yours and the bicyclists) travel
>lane when you pass bicyclists within it. It's the bicyclists' lane that
>you have purposely encroached into.

I don't care.

As I've written before, when cyclists are cooperative users of the
roadway, they get cooperation and consideration from me.

When I encounter a group of cyclists, I expect that they will be
cooperate and be considerate, and I behave accordingly. When they
prove themselves to be inconsiderate jerks, I treat them as they
deserve.

I appreciate your concern over my blood pressure. It's low enough to
cause health care folks to think that I exercise a great deal.

The amount of wear on my vehicle, and fuel expended, is my concern,
and is insignificant enough that I don't mind making the expenditure
when warranted.
>
>Wayne

 

[[email protected]]

On Jun 11, 8:43 am, David Phillips <[email protected]> wrote:
> As I've written before, when cyclists are cooperative users of the
> roadway, they get cooperation and consideration from me.
>
> When I encounter a group of cyclists, I expect that they will be
> cooperate and be considerate, and I behave accordingly. When they
> prove themselves to be inconsiderate jerks, I treat them as they
> deserve.
>
> I appreciate your concern over my blood pressure. It's low enough to
> cause health care folks to think that I exercise a great deal.
>
> The amount of wear on my vehicle, and fuel expended, is my concern,
> and is insignificant enough that I don't mind making the expenditure
> when warranted.

So acting like a total asshole (quote from thread) is okay when you do
it.

And your blood pressure is fine.

OK. --D-y

 

[Stefan Wolfe]

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Stefan Wolfe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> My guess is that you're at least 100 lbs overweight.
>>
>> My guess is that your wife cheated on you so you got divorced and you
>> subsist as a barely functional alchoholic. Am I close?
>
> So I got your weight correct and you are crushed huh?

Do you have a nude picture of your ex-wife?
Do you want one?

 

[Pudentame]

Dan Becker wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, geoff
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> If you want to come on here and flame, think about going somewhere else
>>> where it may contribute something.
>> No I didn't, someone cross posted to include the triangle newsgroups.
>>
>> I never read bicycle groups and do not care about them.
>>
>> If you feel that way then do not cross post and keep the messages in your
>> own group.
>
> The thread was started by I_tell_it_like_it_is, a Triangle poster. He
> went trolling for the bike groups. And dragged heraldry into the mix
> for inexplicable reasons.

Hah! He's a TROLL, what more reason does he need? ;-D

 

[Pudentame]

Howard Kveck wrote:

> What's amazing is that the people crying about getting held up are apparently not
> smart enough to realize that, once they get past the bike they think has slowed them
> down so much, all they have to do is add a bit of pressure to the throttle and pretty
> soon (like half a minute or so) they are back to the same place on the road they
> would have been if they hadn't encountered the cyclist. Not much effort involved.
>

Except for the triangle area, where you're probably gonna get caught in
a REAL traffic jam before you can make up that 30 seconds or so you just
lost.

 

[Pudentame]

Fred Fredburger wrote:
> Pudentame wrote:
>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>> geoff wrote:
>>>> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every
>>>> cycler had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people
>>>> have to go 15 mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can
>>>> go no faster than 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
>>>
>>> Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
>>> weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
>>> Department busy!
>>
>> You know, I'm not sure if you've just insulted the Cary Police or
>> atheistic genocidal maniacs with weapons of mass destruction.
>
> Maybe they've BOTH been insulted. Which raises the question:
>
> What if EVERYONE in the world, was some sort of HUGE drama queen that
> constantly acted as though EVERYTHING that happened was the most
> enormous injustice in the history of the universe and it was aimed at
> them PERSONALLY? Then they'd constantly be walking around freaking out
> about all sorts of trivial stuff as though they were HUGE ATROCITIES.
>
> I wonder what that would be like? Maybe we should ask the guy who
> answers the phone for the Cary Police Department. I'll bet he would know.

Or just read triangle.general regularly.