Critical Mass Tunnel F*cks



On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:12:29 -0700, Zoot Katz wrote:

> BTW, I've never been doored. Had a few close calls when I started
> riding as an adult (1970)


I never get doored because I never ride in the right hand side of the
road, which is a violation in many states who don't give a damn if I die
on my bike because of reckless motorist, as almost all motorists are.

Ruben
 
Ruben Safir <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:12:29 -0700, Zoot Katz wrote:
>
>> BTW, I've never been doored. Had a few close calls when I started
>> riding as an adult (1970)
>
>
>I never get doored because I never ride in the right hand side of the
>road, which is a violation in many states who don't give a damn if I die
>on my bike because of reckless motorist, as almost all motorists are.

Aren't you required to ride as far to the right *as long as you
can remain safe*? I'd say it's up to te rider to decide how far
that is.

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Steven O'Neill [email protected]
 
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:26:42 +0000, Ken [NY) wrote:

> And there is the best method of staying on your bike, rubber
> side down. You are entitled to that right lane, so use it.


in New York, that is a recent change in the law and it is true. Take the
whole damn lane and if they hon at you, put your kyptonite lock into their
windshield.

It bounces off the hood and comes right back to you.

Ruben
 
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:14:14 +0000, Jack Dingler wrote:

> I'm too old and am a bit crippled up from a car accident.


Did you hit a Bicycle?

Ruben
 
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:01:15 +0000, Jack Dingler wrote:

> On the news they keep saying recruitment is way down.


Try reading the real news, but enlistment is up. I know, I tried to
reenlist and the recruiters office was ****PACKED****

Ruben
 
Jack Dingler wrote:
>
> Pete wrote:
>
> >"Jack Dingler" <[email protected]> wrote
> >
> >
> >
> >>You see though that you didn't pick up on my sarcasm. But technically,
> >>buying gasoline does support terrorism and war. I feel like a
> >>chackenhawk everytime I fill up my tank and think of young men dying or
> >>being injured and many more falling sick from DU poisoning, just to keep
> >>gasoline cheap for me. I feel sick that we have to colonize other
> >>nations so that Bush's friends can be the ones to profit, instead of
> >>letting the market work.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Who was the president when Halliburton got their first big ($2.2B) no-bid
> >contract for military logistics? (hint: it wasn't Bush-Sr or Jr)
> >
> >Pete
> >
> >
> >
> Both Kerry and Bush represent the same interests and will perform the
> same duties for them. All that differes between the two is personality.

BU$H lies people die.


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VOTE HIM OUT! November 2, 2004
 
"Zoot Katz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:37:03 -0400, <[email protected]>,
> Mitch Haley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >All the driver has to say is that he did not see you, and he might get
small
> >> >fine.
> >>
> >> IOW, they've admitted fault for having broken a law.
> >
> >But J Swartz is right, drivers (without alcohol in their systems)
> >can kill cyclists and pedestrians at will, as long as they say
> >the magic words.
>
> I was stopped for a sign, in broad daylight, directly behind the
> driver. He looked right past me and backed into me with his van as I
> was scrambling to get out of the way. The driver admitted he didn't
> see me and left after I told him to call a cop. When questioned later
> he claimed I'd ridden into him. Without witnesses, I got ****ed.
> They're worse than scum.

Car drivers, many are scum, many are not, but why depend upon them to do
reasonable things all the time?
Drunks, kids, near blind people, mean asswipes, new drivers, old ladies,
large trucks.
How can you reasonably expect every one of them all to provide you space all
the time?
They don't even do that to each other.

They are watching out for other cars and trucks, and rely on a glance.
Motorcycles are overlooked easily, and Bicycles are near invisible.

You want Ideal world ****, and that is not going to happen, ever.
 
"Ruben Safir" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> That's four feet and there is no warning.
>
> Here is the bottom line rule. When your driving 2 tons of Steal, it is
> ALWAYS your god damn fault. More people die of Car accidents than any
> other even in the US, but somehow when it comes to Bikes, it's the
> bicyclists fault? Right.
>
> Give up the crack man.

Often, but not *always*.
Dark sweatshirt, jeans, no lights, no reflectors, riding against traffic,
going through a red light at a badly lit, but non-rural, intersection.

We've all seen this clown. And many others just like him. I saw one tonight.
Saw him almost get hit. I only saw him peripherally, because I was at a gas
station and was looking around.

Sorry, but we can't blame this type of thing on the motorists.

Pete
 
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 03:03:55 +0000, Steven M. O'Neill wrote:

> Aren't you required to ride as far to the right *as long as you
> can remain safe*?

Not in New York. I can take any lane I want. And you are ***NEVER***
safe in the right lane.


Ruben
 
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:12:17 +0000, Pete wrote:

> Often, but not *always*.
> Dark sweatshirt, jeans, no lights, no reflectors, riding against traffic,
> going through a red light at a badly lit, but non-rural, intersection.

There is no excuse for Car to hit a bike, ever. Drive slower

Ruben
 
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:10:39 -0400, Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>> Can you cite the source of your quotation of Kerry?
>> Which quotation? This one?
>No, Ken. The "Bonjour" quote.

I think he's referring to the fact that Kerry is widely travelled and
bilingual, whereas Shrub can barely manage English and at election had
never been outside the USA and Mexico ;-)

Guy
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Ruben Safir <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 03:03:55 +0000, Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>
>> Aren't you required to ride as far to the right *as long as
>> you can remain safe*?
>
>Not in New York. I can take any lane I want. And you are
>***NEVER*** safe in the right lane.

New York state law says that you must ride to the right except
when "reasonably necessary to avoid conditions that would make
it unsafe[1]". So if the right lane's not safe, then it's
reasonable to ride somewhere else.

It goes on to say:

Conditions to be taken into consideration include, but are
not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles,
in-line skates, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards or
traffic lanes too narrow for a bicycle or person on in-line
skates and a vehicle to travel safely side-by-side within
the lane.

Obviously, it's very subjective. I interpret to mean that I, as
a rider, may ride on the road where ever I feel safest.

(Legal disclaimer: In my opinion. I am not a lawyer.)

====
[1] http://www.nysgtsc.state.ny.us/bike-vt.htm#sec1234
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The bicycle is the true automobile.
 
Ruben Safir wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:14:14 +0000, Jack Dingler wrote:
>
>
>
>>I'm too old and am a bit crippled up from a car accident.
>>
>>
>
>
>Did you hit a Bicycle?
>
>Ruben
>

Hehe, no. I was hit from behind by a driver that was doing 80 and didn't
see that traffic had stopped.

Jack Dingler
 
Ruben Safir wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:01:15 +0000, Jack Dingler wrote:
>
>
>
>>On the news they keep saying recruitment is way down.
>>
>>
>
>
>Try reading the real news, but enlistment is up. I know, I tried to
>reenlist and the recruiters office was ****PACKED****
>
>Ruben
>

Try again. Don't be a quitter.

Jack Dingler
 
Ruben Safir <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:12:17 +0000, Pete wrote:
>
>> Often, but not *always*.
>> Dark sweatshirt, jeans, no lights, no reflectors, riding against traffic,
>> going through a red light at a badly lit, but non-rural, intersection.
>
>There is no excuse for Car to hit a bike, ever. Drive slower

Cf. the "Toronto Coroner's Rule":

The concept of motorized vehicles yielding to non-motorized
vehicles, who in turn must yield to pedestrians seems to be a
common sense rule which should be accepted by all road users.
Entrenching this principle in the HTA would clarify the
situation, and likely significantly reduce risk of injury and
death.

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/cycling/coroner_recomend.htm#legislative

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Steven O'Neill [email protected]
 
"Zoot Katz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:51:18 -0500, <[email protected]>,
> "Name" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Car drivers, many are scum, many are not, but why depend upon them to do
> >reasonable things all the time?
>
> What? If we weren't making some little acts of faith all the time by
> depending on each other to do the right thing according to the rules
> governing our public spaces, nothing would move.
> ****wad was signalling right. He had positioned himself for turning
> right. I was going straight. I was in the proper lane postion when the
> shitflake decided he was going to back up. That I wasn't more
> seriously injured is testament to my being prepared for just such a
> move and ready to take evasive actions. What's your solution?

In auto accidents from the rear, the person that is at fault is the one that
hit the rear of the other car. Not my rule, but traffic law, and insurance
rule. So you were toast to start with.

I would not have been so close to his rear bumper as you were, and I would
have moved a little faster than you did when he started backing up, instead
of letting a van back over me, and be a victim for bicycle rights.
 
[I've removed the aus.* groups from this.]

> New York state law says that you must ride to the right except
> when "reasonably necessary to avoid conditions that would make
> it unsafe ...."

=v= It's also got one of those "you must use the bike lane" laws
(provided the bike lane is useable). The policy in New York
City is to put the bike lane on the *left* side of many one-way
streets, so the law-adhering bicyclist has to move back and
forth a lot. :^)

=v= Of course, not many bike lanes in NYC are actually useable.
<_Jym_>
 
> = Ken [NY)

> I give Bush credit for being fluent in Spanish.

=v= Which reveals your own command of the language.

=v= If unintentional eloquence can be considered a form of
fluency, I suppose he qualifies for trying to name his oil
business with the Spanish word for "bush" but instead using
the Spanish word for "shrub."
<_Jym_>
 
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:08:03 +0000, Steven M. O'Neill wrote:

>>> Aren't you required to ride as far to the right *as long as
>>> you can remain safe*?

Or in a lane like any other vehicle

Personally, I use the space between the double yellow lines as my lane and
I lean into drivers windows to make ***SURE*** they see me

Riding on the blind side of the cars is fundementally stupid.

Ruben
 
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