Cyclist assaulted in Sheffield



In article <[email protected]>, AndyMorris wrote:
>spindrift wrote:
>> The violent thug in the Sheffield case was undoubtedly treated too
>> leniantly, but people in Norfolk are fed up with the nazi gun nut Tony
>> Martin being held up as a paragon of virtue.
[...]
>Thats a very different story from what we might surmise from the media. Any
>care to refute it or back it up?

Depends what media you read/watch, I suspect. For example
http://www.guardian.co.uk/martin/article/0,2763,214336,00.html
is closer to the "nazi gun nut" side of things than "paragon of virtue".
 
mb wrote:
> Squashme wrote:
>
> >
> > One or two? Just to help with the apologies:-
> >
>
>
> Get a life. Different people think different things. Deal with it.
>

Cliche, cliche, and, er, cliche.
So why argue about anything? Why can't we just all get along, and other
cliches?
Yawn.
 
Ambrose Nankivell wrote:
> Squashme wrote:
>
> > One or two? Just to help with the apologies:-
>
> Yeah, I was wrong. I don't apologise for my scepticism, but I do apologise
> if I upset the victim.
>
> If a similar post came tomorrow, I'd still question it just the same.

If the similar post had a black or Asian cyclist attacked by a white
racist gang, would you have doubted it in the same way?
 
Mark Thompson wrote:
> > Just to help with the apologies:-
>
> > I thought it sounded a bit dodgy too. I couldn't see anything about
> > it on their website. They have a news bit so expected to see it there as
> > he's a member. Couldn't have a look at their mailing list archives as
> > membership to the list requires approval from an admin.
> >
> > Mark Thompson
>
> I need more help, um, what am I apologising for?

How about for being a victim of cognitive dissonance?
 
Pinky wrote:
> .
>
> "Ambrose Nankivell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Squashme wrote:
> >
> >> One or two? Just to help with the apologies:-
> >
> > Yeah, I was wrong. I don't apologise for my scepticism, but I do apologise
> > if I upset the victim.
> >
> > If a similar post came tomorrow, I'd still question it just the same.
> > --
> > Ambrose
>
>
> So would I. I cannot say otherwise.

Examine your motives.

>
> I was certainly not the only one to express their doubts and not just on
> this news group.Other forums had similar posters expressing their disbelief.
>
> So I was wrong in assuming it was anything but a real incident, and quite
> horrifying to boot! It would seem that the court has dealt with it in a very
> low key fashion which, considering the details of the assault, is
> inexplicable.
>
Well, as MB said yesterday "Get a life. Different people think
different things. Deal with it."
No, really, I quite agree with you. But perhaps, as others have
suggested, it is not so out of line with sentencing in cases involving
harm to cyclists. We are invisible men and women.
 
Tom Crispin wrote:
> On Wed, 3 May 2006 23:03:23 +0100, "AndyMorris"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Tom Crispin wrote:
>>>
>>> Winston Silcott was out on bail when he murdered PC Keith Blakelock
>>> in 1985. His conviction for the murder of the policeman was later
>>> quashed.
>>>
>>
>> So he didn't murder Blakelock.
>
> He may have, he may not.

He was cleared, the prosecution case turned out to be full of lies.

so why did you say ?

"Winston Silcott was out on bail when he murdered PC Keith Blakelock"





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> How about for being a victim of cognitive dissonance?

Eh? How?
 
On Thu, 4 May 2006 23:16:54 +0100, "AndyMorris"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>He was cleared, the prosecution case turned out to be full of lies.

Indeed. The police manipulated or fabricated evidence against him

>so why did you say ?
>
>"Winston Silcott was out on bail when he murdered PC Keith Blakelock"

That was what was believed at the time.

I was trying to recall a case where a released murderer committed
murder again - I couldn't, and the Silcott case was the best I could
come up with.

I wonder why the police fabricated evidence. Was it from a belief
that Silcott was guilty, or was it from a desire to see someone,
anyone, pay for the murder of their colleague.

It is interesting to note that not one policeman was found guilty of
perjury.
 
Mark Thompson wrote:
> > How about for being a victim of cognitive dissonance?
>
> Eh? How?

Examine your motives for not wishing to accept that the attack happened
in December. Why did you feel that it was "dodgy"? Uk.rec.cycling is
not uk.politics.misc, is it?

Quote "Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers
to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know
or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs
when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary
for it to develop so that we become "open" to them."

What caused the discomfort here?
 
"elyob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Simon Geller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
[....]
>
> http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1476452
>
> It was a terrible incident, and my best wishes to Andrew. The courts
> decision was insulting based on the crime. I'm not really sure how these
> weekly payments are to be made, but the victim will now have to have some
> sort of contact with the *criminal* for the next five years. Disgraceful.
>
This sort of payment is usually paid to the Clerk of the Court, by the
perpetrator. The Court then passes payment to the victim. The victim does
NOT have contact with the perpetrator.

===
IanH
 
On Fri, 05 May 2006 07:04:29 +0100 someone who may be Tom Crispin
<[email protected]> wrote this:-

>I wonder why the police fabricated evidence. Was it from a belief
>that Silcott was guilty, or was it from a desire to see someone,
>anyone, pay for the murder of their colleague.

Probably both were factors.

>It is interesting to note that not one policeman was found guilty of
>perjury.

I don't recall that they were prosecuted. That doesn't surprise me
either.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54
 
"Squashme" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> Examine your motives for not wishing to accept that the attack happened
> in December. Why did you feel that it was "dodgy"? Uk.rec.cycling is
> not uk.politics.misc, is it?
>
> Quote "Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers
> to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know
> or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs
> when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary
> for it to develop so that we become "open" to them."
>
> What caused the discomfort here?
>
I have decided that your posts are steering me in a direction that
identifies you as a troll

I do this rarely but you are hereby added to my killfile. "So its goodbye
from me and it's ......"

*plonk*
 
Squashme wrote:
> Mark Thompson wrote:
> > > How about for being a victim of cognitive dissonance?
> >
> > Eh? How?
>
> Examine your motives for not wishing to accept that the attack happened
> in December. Why did you feel that it was "dodgy"? Uk.rec.cycling is
> not uk.politics.misc, is it?
>
> Quote "Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers
> to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know
> or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs
> when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary
> for it to develop so that we become "open" to them."
>
> What caused the discomfort here?

You misapply the use of the term. In the OP an account was related
which was not entirely clear or consistent. This led to doubt being
levelled as to it's veracity.
Despite the subsequent verification of the general thrust of the
account, it remains right and proper to treat similarly inconsistent
and unclear accounts with scepticism.
One false negative does not invalidate an approach.

...d
 
"Tom Crispin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> It is interesting to note that not one policeman was found guilty of
> perjury.

The words "No ****" spring to mind. Plod aren't exactly notorious for
finding problems with their own.

cheers,
clive
 
> Examine your motives for not wishing to accept that the attack happened
> in December. Why did you feel that it was "dodgy"? Uk.rec.cycling is
> not uk.politics.misc, is it?

What happened sounded fantastic, they way it was reported to us was via a
repost from another forum, that forum had (AFAICR) not received any more
information from the victim/OP, no information at all was available from
other likely sources.

Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
 
On Fri, 5 May 2006 09:25:46 +0100 someone who may be "Clive George"
<[email protected]> wrote this:-

>The words "No ****" spring to mind. Plod aren't exactly notorious for
>finding problems with their own.

Correct.

However, page 13 of "the Guardian" (dead tree version) today
contains the headline "PC faces sack from Met after conviction for
racially abusing suspect". The article does not appear to be on
their web site.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54
 
Squashme wrote:
> Ambrose Nankivell wrote:
>> Squashme wrote:
>>
>>> One or two? Just to help with the apologies:-
>>
>> Yeah, I was wrong. I don't apologise for my scepticism, but I do
>> apologise if I upset the victim.
>>
>> If a similar post came tomorrow, I'd still question it just the same.
>
> If the similar post had a black or Asian cyclist attacked by a white
> racist gang, would you have doubted it in the same way?

Quite possibly.

What's your beef?
--
Ambrose
 
On Fri, 05 May 2006 07:17:22 GMT, "ian henden" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>This sort of payment is usually paid to the Clerk of the Court, by the
>perpetrator. The Court then passes payment to the victim. The victim does
>NOT have contact with the perpetrator.

They can do.

In my late teens I was punched in the face, by someone I vaguely knew,
and my nose was broken. He was found guilty of assault causing
grievious bodily harm and ordered to pay me £500. He paid the court
in weekly installments of £10, and the court posted me a cheque every
month or so. I was diligent in writing my assailant a thank you
letter every time I received a payment, explaining how I had made use
of the money.
 
Mark Thompson wrote:
>
> Do you believe everything you read on the internet?

I read on the internet that you shouldn't but didn't believe it ;-)

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham
 
Clive George wrote:
>
> The words "No ****" spring to mind. Plod aren't exactly notorious for
> finding problems with their own.
>

Indeed, when a former DPP decided to prosecute police officers for
fabricating evidence in the Guildford Four case he promptly found
himself arrested for kerb crawling in his police chauffeured car behind
Kings Cross. Coincidence? Of course.

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham
 
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