Geez, much of an ego vspa? You think the 'racers' were responsible for carbon rims, STI, and ceramic bearings, oversize headtubes, oversize crank spindles? Designers and Engineers were. We make it, pro racers STFU and use it. Their job is to STFU and ride and sell the companies' ****, they are little more than rolling advertisements.
You also clearly missed the Tour 2 days ago, where Hushovd lost time on the climb owing to the fact he's a sprinter and stuff, and then managed to make up the time on the descent, to win the stage. Imagine how much more time he would've made up if he could brake 50% later on those dozens and dozens of corners and switchbacks.
There's a golden rule in racing "You can only go as fast as you can stop", and as most races do as much climbing as they do descending on any given day, it's time the focus the design away from climbing and superlight parts that have essentially no quantifiable benefit, and think about other areas where the breed can be improved.
Brakes is one of those areas. Clearly. It's not even a debatable thing.
All you have to do to get a first hand illustration of how stupid rim brakes are, is ride an MTB with them, then switch to one with Discs. I've had hydraulic discs on my MTB's for probably 15 years, and nobody would EVER go back to rim brakes. They're HATEFUL. Increased complexity and maintenance? RUBBISH. Set and forget, change the fluid maybe once a year, it's just as quick as changing a cable. NEVER had any failure whatsoever either.
Electronic shifting and hydraulic discs on road bikes are the inevitable future. Like with everything, there'll be those that aren't the Early Adopters and that's fine, but Ludditism for it's own sake is pretty damn annoying, especially considering I'd place good money on the fact that these same people aren't exactly racing lugged steel frames with friction shifting.
You also clearly missed the Tour 2 days ago, where Hushovd lost time on the climb owing to the fact he's a sprinter and stuff, and then managed to make up the time on the descent, to win the stage. Imagine how much more time he would've made up if he could brake 50% later on those dozens and dozens of corners and switchbacks.
There's a golden rule in racing "You can only go as fast as you can stop", and as most races do as much climbing as they do descending on any given day, it's time the focus the design away from climbing and superlight parts that have essentially no quantifiable benefit, and think about other areas where the breed can be improved.
Brakes is one of those areas. Clearly. It's not even a debatable thing.
All you have to do to get a first hand illustration of how stupid rim brakes are, is ride an MTB with them, then switch to one with Discs. I've had hydraulic discs on my MTB's for probably 15 years, and nobody would EVER go back to rim brakes. They're HATEFUL. Increased complexity and maintenance? RUBBISH. Set and forget, change the fluid maybe once a year, it's just as quick as changing a cable. NEVER had any failure whatsoever either.
Electronic shifting and hydraulic discs on road bikes are the inevitable future. Like with everything, there'll be those that aren't the Early Adopters and that's fine, but Ludditism for it's own sake is pretty damn annoying, especially considering I'd place good money on the fact that these same people aren't exactly racing lugged steel frames with friction shifting.
Originally Posted by vspa .
fast descender jersey ? non sense,
from all your posts i can tell you have no racing experience whatsoever,
if you do, go to europe and challenge the guys in a descent with your disc brakes, i guarantee that you will get drop in a minute against those guys,
i would also elaborate why not to use them on a peloton, something that you also seem to misunderstand, racing get nervous and you have little room to maneuver, sometimes your reflexes act faster than the blink of the eye, with disc brakes you would cause twice the crashes than you see today, in fact a good cyclist will almost avoid using the brakes in the peloton by measuring pedal strokes and looking for tiny spaces where to go,
that said, it may be the case that disc brakes could be one day introduced on the road but just remember that when a proven good new technology enters the market it is adopted almost immediately by every bike maker and every cyclist and disc brakes have been around for a while already,