Lance Armstrong Won't Fight Usada Charges
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In other Lance News today...
Dateline: Aspen, Colorado
In a defiant display of Frack you, Lance Armstrong thumbed his nose, flipped a finger and a few other metaphors at Travis T. Tygart and yousaada by racing a bicycle today!
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/48788983/ns/sports-cycling/
No word on whether he put a minute into Jan, but in a rare display of emotion Lance legitimately raped two blondes in the crowd of spectators, cured four people of cancer and ascended to heaven in a red Michele Ferrari.
Yay sport!
Dateline: Aspen, Colorado
In a defiant display of Frack you, Lance Armstrong thumbed his nose, flipped a finger and a few other metaphors at Travis T. Tygart and yousaada by racing a bicycle today!
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/48788983/ns/sports-cycling/
No word on whether he put a minute into Jan, but in a rare display of emotion Lance legitimately raped two blondes in the crowd of spectators, cured four people of cancer and ascended to heaven in a red Michele Ferrari.
Yay sport!
Quote:Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB . The laundry list: http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/index-of-lance-armstrong-doping-allegations-over-the-years
That list is incomplete. No Emma O'Reilly, etc
That list is incomplete. No Emma O'Reilly, etc
Armstrong chatted for a few minutes before saying, "[COLOR= rgb(0, 0, 205)]OK, I'm going to go eat a cheeseburger[/COLOR]."
Spoken like the true champion he is..... or am I actually allowed to post that/this? If the USADA may have the authority to remove his titles... but don't they need to be able to re-write history as well? I mean with the Internet and all... if they can't figure out some way to remove/delete/ban protected free speech somehow... Lance will continue to be known for winning.
The USADA has had a title-less victory... or better to say... no victory at all. Lance.... enjoyed his cheeseburger... I am sure. Lance will be fine.
Lance knows one thing better than most athletes.... winning. And in this one case he knew the only way he could win... was by not competing. OK... winning is an exaggeration... maybe he defaulted to the only way he wouldn't lose.
****** was a mass murdered. La is allegedly a cheating sportsman. The two hardly constitute the same degree of evil. You feel that the same level of justic ought to apply do you? Let's restart the Nuremberg trials for doping cyclists. Sod the idea of banning them just hang em high. That might cause them to rethink whether they'll dope.
That list is incomplete. No Emma O'Reilly, etc
No, but there was damning testimony from Baba O'Riley.
Something about teenage wasteland.
And Betsy should be eating bon-bons with gusto now!
In the immortal words of our Saviour, Saint Townshend...
[COLOR= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah[/COLOR]
No, but there was damning testimony from Baba O'Riley.
Something about teenage wasteland.
And Betsy should be eating bon-bons with gusto now!
In the immortal words of our Saviour, Saint Townshend...
[COLOR= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah[/COLOR]
not at all do i feel that the same level of justice would apply or that they are equally evil. the point here is that even the most hated, despised, and rightfully vilified individual that walked the earth actually accomplished good. what i am driving at with this is for all the good things armstrong and his foundation have done, you have to separate that from the actions he took in his career as a cyclist. admittedly, the theoretical mobster we wrote of above would probably have merited some leniency in sentencing given his turn from the illegal life and doing whatever good he did in the years after. that would not excuse or absolve the former thug from responsibility for his crimes, but would make us somewhat more merciful in our punishment as a society--say, for example, life in prison with a chance at parole instead of the death penalty.
and as for your final point, there are many who have called for just that--lifetime bans for first time offenders of the doping codes. vaughters and others have pointed out that the federations have to make the field realise that there is more to be lost from doping than gained. i, however, do not agree in lifetime bans for first offences. (nor do i believe vaughters has ever endorsed that position.)
More Godlike than we suspected, Lance able to replace his own ****!!One!11
Frenchies mystified by superhuman abilities!
He could thin his blood or replace his urine. He used the EPO only in small quantities, so it was no longer there to detect. We were powerless against this way of working,â€
No wonder they couldn't catch him! He really was made of **** and vinegar!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-armstrong-warned-before-all-doping-controls
And his network of spies, henchmen, eeevil underlings, minions and mafioso gave him detailed info on the timing of the anti-doping poleece! He knew EXACTLY when to take a shower!!
It's all becoming clear now! Lance is an extraterrestrial!
More worser than evar! The French go on to attack our current heeeroz...Muttonchops and his sidekick, the Froomester! Oh teh noez!
"Work together with Antoine Vayer [LeMond columnist], the performance specialist, helped show the implausibility of the power generated in watts on the climbs. Moreover, it is interesting to note that the UCI has banned the publication of such real-time statistics in 2012. And we can understand why when you see that the[SIZE= 22px][COLOR= rgb(255, 0, 0)] power production by [Bradley] Wiggins and [Chris] Froome (first and second of the Tour) is comparable to the turbulent times of the late 1990s and early 2000s."[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]Right before he died, Neil Armstrong whispered in a raspy voice, "Laaaannnce...I'm your father!"[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]The Force WAS with him! And that explais the same last name thing!!![/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]This is too much to comprehend! [/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]Free Lance! One Free Lance with every Lance purchased![/SIZE]
Frenchies mystified by superhuman abilities!
He could thin his blood or replace his urine. He used the EPO only in small quantities, so it was no longer there to detect. We were powerless against this way of working,â€
No wonder they couldn't catch him! He really was made of **** and vinegar!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-armstrong-warned-before-all-doping-controls
And his network of spies, henchmen, eeevil underlings, minions and mafioso gave him detailed info on the timing of the anti-doping poleece! He knew EXACTLY when to take a shower!!
It's all becoming clear now! Lance is an extraterrestrial!
More worser than evar! The French go on to attack our current heeeroz...Muttonchops and his sidekick, the Froomester! Oh teh noez!
"Work together with Antoine Vayer [LeMond columnist], the performance specialist, helped show the implausibility of the power generated in watts on the climbs. Moreover, it is interesting to note that the UCI has banned the publication of such real-time statistics in 2012. And we can understand why when you see that the[SIZE= 22px][COLOR= rgb(255, 0, 0)] power production by [Bradley] Wiggins and [Chris] Froome (first and second of the Tour) is comparable to the turbulent times of the late 1990s and early 2000s."[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]Right before he died, Neil Armstrong whispered in a raspy voice, "Laaaannnce...I'm your father!"[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]The Force WAS with him! And that explais the same last name thing!!![/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]This is too much to comprehend! [/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]Free Lance! One Free Lance with every Lance purchased![/SIZE]
Fast Eddie STILL stands by Lance!
From one doperz to another, the world's greatest cyclist and that Belgian guy stick together like cortico-steroids!
Merckx continues support of Armstrong
Eddy Merckx calls shotgun
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/merckx-continues-support-of-armstrong
[SIZE= 24px]"It's deeply unjust," claims Belgian[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 24px]Eddie sayzzzz...[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]“Lance has been very correct all through his career,†Merckx told La Dernière Heure. “What more can he do? All of the controls that he has done – over 500 since 2000 – have come back negative. Either the controls don’t serve any purpose or Armstrong was legit. The whole case is based on witnesses, it’s deeply unjust.â€[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]Damnit...all that ****-replacing and doping control awareness...down the drain like Floyd's bags-o-blood...yay sport![/SIZE]
From one doperz to another, the world's greatest cyclist and that Belgian guy stick together like cortico-steroids!
Merckx continues support of Armstrong
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/merckx-continues-support-of-armstrong
[SIZE= 24px]"It's deeply unjust," claims Belgian[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 24px]Eddie sayzzzz...[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]“Lance has been very correct all through his career,†Merckx told La Dernière Heure. “What more can he do? All of the controls that he has done – over 500 since 2000 – have come back negative. Either the controls don’t serve any purpose or Armstrong was legit. The whole case is based on witnesses, it’s deeply unjust.â€[/SIZE]
[SIZE= 14px]Damnit...all that ****-replacing and doping control awareness...down the drain like Floyd's bags-o-blood...yay sport![/SIZE]
This thread needs a pitchure of ******...on vacation...in a Volkswagon...
You know...hmmmm? Lance and ****** were never seen together in the same room, at the same time! Coincidence??? I should think NOT!
Both conquered Europe.
****** had his arm bands. Lance had those yellow bands.
Adolph was crushed by the Americans. Jan was crushed by Lance.
****** pwned the Champs Elysees. Lance owned the Champs Elysees.
It's all becoming clear now...
Despite all the fears of Lance's demise killing cycling I tooks a ride yesterday and the bike still worked. Yes, if ****** had died in 1938 he would have died the greatest statesman Germany had ever had. He just lived too long. Jan was crushed by the German media.
there was no intent on placing ****** in any ranking of german statesmen. the point being that terrible people sometimes do good, while conversely good people sometimes make grievous errors. the point being that armstrong has had some measure of impact on cancer research (a debatable point, to say the least). yet should that work, however noble, be in any way a mitigating factor in his behaviour as a cyclist or the punishment meted out for his doping?
The mitigating factor should be that the USADA is a bunch of lunkheads who keep moving the bar and changing the rules long after the fact. It's like they imitated the legal systems in Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and the like to fashion their modus operandi.
how so? did they unilaterally invoke a secret clause that non-analytical evidence could lead to a ban? did they only recently come to enforce the anti-doping codes on u.s. cyclists this summer? did they not offer armstrong a chance to answer the allegations? did they limit his right to appeal the decision rendered by the three member arbitration panel to the c.a.s.?
seems that the only person to blame for not giving armstrong a fair and open hearing of the charges was lance armstrong, himself.
Jan was crushed by the German media.
The exact moment Jan was reduced to a second place doperz is recorded in this video at 1' 40" and replayed in slo-mo. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif
If this don't make yo' bootie move yo' bootie must be banned!
The exact moment Jan was reduced to a second place doperz is recorded in this video at 1' 40" and replayed in slo-mo. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif
If this don't make yo' bootie move yo' bootie must be banned!
Stirring, but was that the EPO or the legs doing the talking? Guess we'll never know for sure.
Probably the dope, but what does it even matter?
When Jan wasn't sucking down der struddle, he was shooting up the EPO at Freiberg. A product of the much more advance DDR doping system.
Vino? He was doing potassium transfusions before potassium transfusions were cool.
Zulle? Them Swiss. They make good stuff!
It ain't like Lancer invented the process or even improved upon it. Refridgerated panniers? Hell, after Kelme, Manzano, Festina, Puerto, Drugs for oil and a list of a dozen or more known doctors all a man needed was good, hot shower to wash away the evidence.
And now we have beef-a-roni (the Barcelona treat!) that will make you a climbing star.
The Engrish have always called it a Stiff Upper Lip, the new street name for Wiggo and Froome's new found horsepower according to da Gauls.
Zabel cried.
Lance lied.
And I'ld still knock the bottom out of Elisa Basso despite what she, her brother Ivan The Not-So-Innocentti and her ex-boyfiend, Eddie Mazzoleni were up to! Even after today's 60-mile cruise to Ravenna & back (no, not THAT Ravenna! The one in Ohio!) I swear I would find the energy even if I had to 'cheat' and use the little Blue Pill!!!
Probably the dope, but what does it even matter?
When Jan wasn't sucking down der struddle, he was shooting up the EPO at Freiberg. A product of the much more advance DDR doping system.
Vino? He was doing potassium transfusions before potassium transfusions were cool.
Zulle? Them Swiss. They make good stuff!
It ain't like Lancer invented the process or even improved upon it. Refridgerated panniers? Hell, after Kelme, Manzano, Festina, Puerto, Drugs for oil and a list of a dozen or more known doctors all a man needed was good, hot shower to wash away the evidence.
And now we have beef-a-roni (the Barcelona treat!) that will make you a climbing star.
The Engrish have always called it a Stiff Upper Lip, the new street name for Wiggo and Froome's new found horsepower according to da Gauls.
Zabel cried.
Lance lied.
And I'ld still knock the bottom out of Elisa Basso despite what she, her brother Ivan The Not-So-Innocentti and her ex-boyfiend, Eddie Mazzoleni were up to! Even after today's 60-mile cruise to Ravenna & back (no, not THAT Ravenna! The one in Ohio!) I swear I would find the energy even if I had to 'cheat' and use the little Blue Pill!!!
Fair enough. I see your point. The prime reason why I feel this is a special case is that no particular good comes of pursuing it:
Unless they have unequivocal proof that he doped there verdict will always be in question.
The way USADA have gone about this is truly mind blowingly stupid.
It calls into question practically every sporting win that has ever been achieved by anyone in any professional event.
You can already see that people are starting to ask questions of Brad Wiggins and Chris Froome. Basically athletes now stand to be asked did you beat your wife the moment they win anything. All it takes is some wag to say well those wattage figures look suspicious how could it be and then some jealous bugger to claim hey I saw them doping to make things real.
They've taken away all of his wins. Did he dope for all of them?
Why pick only on LA. Why not some of the other great names in cycling. Has there actually been a legitimate grand tour or professional race win?
What has USADA achieved. the haters continue to hate and the lover continue to love. My feeling is that I don't know whether he doped or not. He certainly passed a lot of tests. He was cycling during a period when all his main competitors were doping surely he just levelled the playing field. For me Lance still won those races. Fro many others he did also. He was a supreme athlete (still is dope or no dope).
As for the allegations that he bribed the various cycling authorities. Well are they really that weak and that pathetic and stupid. Did they truly believe that they could keep it covered up for that long if he had? If so its incredible. The people at the top must be so stupid that its truly incredible.
So USADA has changed not a lot in terms o peoples perceptions.
If he didn't dope then they've hung the wrong guy. In my view hanging one wrong guy is rather worse than letting a whole bunch of dopers go. This is sport, we're not discussing the potential for catching serial killers or war criminals.
It doesn't matter anyway because for many LA is still the legitimate winner of the races.
Other riders will continue to dope and hope they get away with it.
USADA has cost the US tax payer a hell of a lot of money.
They've cost the US a sporting legend. They certainly tarnished a sporting legend.
If he did dope then the fact that they've allowed him to do what he did suggests that they are tactically stupid also because LA will always be able to claim the benefit of the doubt because of the way they've gone about it. Tygart is a damn fool (unless of course Tygart had other motivations). Once the federal case against LA was dropped in my view the USADA case has little credibility and backing themselves up with 10 people who essentially they had to blackmail in order to get to say bad stuff against LA seriously makes them look bad.
The net result NADA, NIX, NOTHING. What has it been done for. This does not end doping and the sport wont be cleaner as a result. It might be cleaner if the UCI etc then go after all previous known doping tour winners and erase all their victories also otherwise this is just a witch hunt and LA has just become a sacrificial goaty thing.
Truly a strategically stupid bungling dogmatic approach to this whole affair. They've won but they haven't and never will at this point.
As for lifetime vs alternative bans well IMHO anything less than the ending of a career doesn't seem to have had much of an effect.
Ho hum. It certainly makes for interesting discussion.
Unless they have unequivocal proof that he doped there verdict will always be in question.
The way USADA have gone about this is truly mind blowingly stupid.
It calls into question practically every sporting win that has ever been achieved by anyone in any professional event.
You can already see that people are starting to ask questions of Brad Wiggins and Chris Froome. Basically athletes now stand to be asked did you beat your wife the moment they win anything. All it takes is some wag to say well those wattage figures look suspicious how could it be and then some jealous bugger to claim hey I saw them doping to make things real.
They've taken away all of his wins. Did he dope for all of them?
Why pick only on LA. Why not some of the other great names in cycling. Has there actually been a legitimate grand tour or professional race win?
What has USADA achieved. the haters continue to hate and the lover continue to love. My feeling is that I don't know whether he doped or not. He certainly passed a lot of tests. He was cycling during a period when all his main competitors were doping surely he just levelled the playing field. For me Lance still won those races. Fro many others he did also. He was a supreme athlete (still is dope or no dope).
As for the allegations that he bribed the various cycling authorities. Well are they really that weak and that pathetic and stupid. Did they truly believe that they could keep it covered up for that long if he had? If so its incredible. The people at the top must be so stupid that its truly incredible.
So USADA has changed not a lot in terms o peoples perceptions.
If he didn't dope then they've hung the wrong guy. In my view hanging one wrong guy is rather worse than letting a whole bunch of dopers go. This is sport, we're not discussing the potential for catching serial killers or war criminals.
It doesn't matter anyway because for many LA is still the legitimate winner of the races.
Other riders will continue to dope and hope they get away with it.
USADA has cost the US tax payer a hell of a lot of money.
They've cost the US a sporting legend. They certainly tarnished a sporting legend.
If he did dope then the fact that they've allowed him to do what he did suggests that they are tactically stupid also because LA will always be able to claim the benefit of the doubt because of the way they've gone about it. Tygart is a damn fool (unless of course Tygart had other motivations). Once the federal case against LA was dropped in my view the USADA case has little credibility and backing themselves up with 10 people who essentially they had to blackmail in order to get to say bad stuff against LA seriously makes them look bad.
The net result NADA, NIX, NOTHING. What has it been done for. This does not end doping and the sport wont be cleaner as a result. It might be cleaner if the UCI etc then go after all previous known doping tour winners and erase all their victories also otherwise this is just a witch hunt and LA has just become a sacrificial goaty thing.
Truly a strategically stupid bungling dogmatic approach to this whole affair. They've won but they haven't and never will at this point.
As for lifetime vs alternative bans well IMHO anything less than the ending of a career doesn't seem to have had much of an effect.
Ho hum. It certainly makes for interesting discussion.
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