"Mountain biker dies from fall off cliff": Evolution in Action!

[Mark]

> .mental illness.
>
> I guess that one went right over your head. You said "the trails are
restricted
> to mountain bikes only". So how did they get on the trail, if people
aren't
> allowed? DUH! What grade are you in, Junior?

And here we have it, the historical retort from a bigotted bully, when
proved wrong they resort to insults and personal attacks, picking on
spurious scemantics to take notice away from your failure to refute the
statement.


> .Again, this 'DUH!' you often resort to when someone actually confronts
you
> .and puts forward an argument you cannot refute with logic, mark you out
at
> .the lower end of the human species mentally, and highlight the obssessive
> .state of your mind that cannot accept you are wrong on any occasion.
> .
> .
> .> .of course, you are justtrying to steer the conversation away from the
> .> .initial obscene post you made glorifying in the death of a fellow
human
> .> .being, but that is the issue here of course.
> .> .Your opinions of mountain biking and its effect on the world carry no
> .> .meaning outside your putrile existance, and your willingness to use
the
> .> .tradgedy you posted to try and fuel your need for attention and the
> .> .misguided and quite delusional superiority complex mark you at the
lower
> .> .end of the human species, both in intelligence and morality.
> .> .
> .> .I pity you.
> .> .
> .> .
> .> .
> .> .> .Still waiting for the answer to this question, did you contact the
> .family
> .> .> .involved before using this as propaganda in your quest?
> .> .> .
.requote this for an answer .(again, interesting you ignore the main point
..of this conversation)(again)

 

[Mark]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:55:40 GMT, "Mark" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> .
> .

> .> .I have asked you several times to validate your claim mountain biking
is
> .> .more harmful than horse riding or off road motor vehicles.
> .> .
> .> .In fact, In the other thread I asked you 4 times to show coroborated
data
> .> .that shows a 24lb mountain bike on 2.2 inch tyres does more damage to
a
> .> .trail than a 2.5 tonne land rover.
> .> .You have failed to respond.
> .> .Until you provide that data, from an aknowledged independant source,
then
> .> .there is the falsehood in your 'paper'.
> .>
> .> BS. I never claimed MTBs do more damage than a land rover. But the
> .research I
> .> reviewed DOES prove that mountain biking does more harm to wildlife
than
> .> horseback riding.
> .
> .In the thread titled 'Vanderman a Fraud and professional failure' the
> .following coversation took place.
> .
> .I wrote:
> .
> .'.I would also love to see your scientific data that shows mountain
biking
> .as
> ..more destructive than off road motoring, or indeed horseback riding,
> .neither
> ..of which you persue at all.'
> .
> .you wrote in reply:
> .
> .'It's in my paper.'
> .
> .So are you lying now, or were you lying then?
>
> Nope. It's in my paper.

what is in your paper?
that mountain bikes are more harmful than off road motor vehicles, whis 5
lines up you claim is BS that you never said.
Or is it in your paper where you explain why , even though you claim to be
campaigning for the environment you soley attack mountain biking and
completely ignore both ATV and horsback riding (which in this very quote
here you admit causes environmental harm).

You again prove your inability to either tell the truth or show
justification from an environmental point of view why only mountain biking
is worth persuing.

You are, as I said before, and have been proved correct by your initial and
subsequent posts in this thread, a sham.
a bigot, with a hatred for mountian bikers, hiding under a green flag of
enviromentalism. Your very existance harms the ecological movement , by
the negativity you instill, you tar the reputation of people trying to do
genuine good for the world.


> .Again, the truth seems to be a moveable yardstick for you, it changes
daily
> .to suit your argument at that time, your words however, are archived for
all
> .to see, they are not subject of any conjecture, they show you will
> .completely change your story about anything, deny things you have
personally
> .said to try and 'win' an internet discussion, and prove beyond doubt you
> .cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything.

 

[ray]

Vandeman, you're an imbecile, if were all such liars and no hopers for
your way of thinking, why dont you just post somewhere else, where
people actually give a flying F*** about what you think, instead of
wasting valuable tree hugging time here. Shall I tell you why?

You and I both know, you like the attention pure and simple, gives you
a little woody does it? No one at home or work give one iota about what
you think? so you come and mither us, that is about the saddest most
pathetic thing I have ever heard of. Go get a life. DO anything more
worthwhile than wasting your remaining years and brain cells away here
arguing with people who dont give a t**s what you think.

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:08:32 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>.So which is it? Is it that lying is universal, in which case the
>.statement "all mountain bikers lie" is pure bigotry, or are you
>.asserting that mountain bikers are more likely to lie than the general
>.population, in which case where is your evidence?

>A decade of experience. I hear mountain bikers lie every day. I rarely hear
>anyone else lie. QED

But you are a known bigot and you have no evidence that the subset of
mountain bikers you ******** with your incessant trolling is
representative of mountain bikers in general. Cite evidence from
credible external sources.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:10:06 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>.>.* False categorisation! I am not a mountain biker.
>.>You already admitted that you are, liar.
>.No, I said that I occasionally ride a mountain bike. You admitted
>.that you have ridden a mountain bike, by the same definition that
>.makes you a mountain biker too.

>Nope. Mountain bikers ride at least occasionally. I rode only once, and never
>became a mountain biker. You sure are DENSE, aren't you?

But by what definition of occasionally? You have ridden once in X
years, I have ridden maybe a dozen times in a similar period. To be
categorised as a mountain biker undoubtedly requires more than an
occasional outing on managed forest trails with the kids.

I am not a mountain biker. I have none of the kit and I don't ride
technical offroad at all, I don't have the bike for it.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

 

[Is this trip REALLY necessary?]

Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

Nature is of itself and is not limited to your hypocritical interpretations.
It is not for the likes of you to either define what it is or how it should
be appreciated by anyone other than for yourself. You have done nothing but
insult and degrade the very thing you claim to be protecting. Drop the act.

Done. Later.

Ikonicus
1-202-518-1515
415-203-1513

 

[rizzoj2000]

Here Here. Well put. Don't go away Mike, just go away.
"Is this trip REALLY necessary?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> Nature is of itself and is not limited to your hypocritical
> interpretations.
> It is not for the likes of you to either define what it is or how it
> should
> be appreciated by anyone other than for yourself. You have done nothing
> but
> insult and degrade the very thing you claim to be protecting. Drop the
> act.
>
> Done. Later.
>
> Ikonicus
> 1-202-518-1515
> 415-203-1513

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:59:44 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:08:32 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote in message <[email protected]>:
..
..>.So which is it? Is it that lying is universal, in which case the
..>.statement "all mountain bikers lie" is pure bigotry, or are you
..>.asserting that mountain bikers are more likely to lie than the general
..>.population, in which case where is your evidence?
..
..>A decade of experience. I hear mountain bikers lie every day. I rarely hear
..>anyone else lie. QED
..
..But you are a known bigot

BS. That lie proves my point, LIAR. That's just what mountain bikers call people
who tell the truth about their selfish, destructive, disgusting sport.

and you have no evidence that the subset of
..mountain bikers you ******** with your incessant trolling is
..representative of mountain bikers in general. Cite evidence from
..credible external sources.
..
..Guy

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 24 May 2005 22:02:21 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:10:06 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote in message <[email protected]>:
..
..>.>.* False categorisation! I am not a mountain biker.
..>.>You already admitted that you are, liar.
..>.No, I said that I occasionally ride a mountain bike. You admitted
..>.that you have ridden a mountain bike, by the same definition that
..>.makes you a mountain biker too.
..
..>Nope. Mountain bikers ride at least occasionally. I rode only once, and never
..>became a mountain biker. You sure are DENSE, aren't you?
..
..But by what definition of occasionally? You have ridden once in X
..years, I have ridden maybe a dozen times in a similar period. To be
..categorised as a mountain biker undoubtedly requires more than an
..occasional outing on managed forest trails with the kids.
..
..I am not a mountain biker.

But we know that mountain bikers lie, so that proves that you ARE a mountain
biker, and just LYING about it. DUH! Non-mountain bikers also aren't OBSESSED
with defending mountain biking, as you are. That's proof # 2.

I have none of the kit and I don't ride
..technical offroad at all, I don't have the bike for it.
..
..Guy

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 24 May 2005 12:07:04 GMT, "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..news:[email protected]...
..> On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:55:40 GMT, "Mark" <[email protected]>
..wrote:
..>
..> .
..> .
..
..> .> .I have asked you several times to validate your claim mountain biking
..is
..> .> .more harmful than horse riding or off road motor vehicles.
..> .> .
..> .> .In fact, In the other thread I asked you 4 times to show coroborated
..data
..> .> .that shows a 24lb mountain bike on 2.2 inch tyres does more damage to
..a
..> .> .trail than a 2.5 tonne land rover.
..> .> .You have failed to respond.
..> .> .Until you provide that data, from an aknowledged independant source,
..then
..> .> .there is the falsehood in your 'paper'.
..> .>
..> .> BS. I never claimed MTBs do more damage than a land rover. But the
..> .research I
..> .> reviewed DOES prove that mountain biking does more harm to wildlife
..than
..> .> horseback riding.
..> .
..> .In the thread titled 'Vanderman a Fraud and professional failure' the
..> .following coversation took place.
..> .
..> .I wrote:
..> .
..> .'.I would also love to see your scientific data that shows mountain
..biking
..> .as
..> ..more destructive than off road motoring, or indeed horseback riding,
..> .neither
..> ..of which you persue at all.'
..> .
..> .you wrote in reply:
..> .
..> .'It's in my paper.'
..> .
..> .So are you lying now, or were you lying then?
..>
..> Nope. It's in my paper.
..
..what is in your paper?

Read it yourself: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.

..that mountain bikes are more harmful than off road motor vehicles, whis 5
..lines up you claim is BS that you never said.

True.

..Or is it in your paper where you explain why , even though you claim to be
..campaigning for the environment you soley attack mountain biking and
..completely ignore both ATV and horsback riding (which in this very quote
..here you admit causes environmental harm).

More BS. BOTH are mentioned in my paper.

..You again prove your inability to either tell the truth or show
..justification from an environmental point of view why only mountain biking
..is worth persuing.
..
..You are, as I said before, and have been proved correct by your initial and
..subsequent posts in this thread, a sham.
..a bigot, with a hatred for mountian bikers, hiding under a green flag of
..enviromentalism. Your very existance harms the ecological movement , by
..the negativity you instill, you tar the reputation of people trying to do
..genuine good for the world.

Very funny. I'm laughing all the way to my environmental conferences, where
mountain bikers NEVER show up (because they would be laughed off the stage).

..> .Again, the truth seems to be a moveable yardstick for you, it changes
..daily
..> .to suit your argument at that time, your words however, are archived for
..all
..> .to see, they are not subject of any conjecture, they show you will
..> .completely change your story about anything, deny things you have
..personally
..> .said to try and 'win' an internet discussion, and prove beyond doubt you
..> .cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything.
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Wed, 25 May 2005 17:30:59 GMT, "Is this trip REALLY necessary?"
<[email protected]> wrote:

..Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
..news:[email protected]:
..
..Nature is of itself and is not limited to your hypocritical interpretations.
..It is not for the likes of you to either define what it is or how it should
..be appreciated by anyone other than for yourself. You have done nothing but
..insult and degrade the very thing you claim to be protecting. Drop the act.
..
..Done. Later.
..
..Ikonicus
..1-202-518-1515
..415-203-1513

Use your real name, and maybe someone would take you seriously. MAYBE.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:59:11 GMT, "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote:

..
..> .mental illness.
..>
..> I guess that one went right over your head. You said "the trails are
..restricted
..> to mountain bikes only". So how did they get on the trail, if people
..aren't
..> allowed? DUH! What grade are you in, Junior?
..
..And here we have it, the historical retort from a bigotted bully, when
..proved wrong

Nope, hasn't happened yet!

they resort to insults and personal attacks, picking on
..spurious scemantics to take notice away from your failure to refute the
..statement.
..
..
..> .Again, this 'DUH!' you often resort to when someone actually confronts
..you
..> .and puts forward an argument you cannot refute with logic, mark you out
..at
..> .the lower end of the human species mentally, and highlight the obssessive
..> .state of your mind that cannot accept you are wrong on any occasion.
..> .
..> .
..> .> .of course, you are justtrying to steer the conversation away from the
..> .> .initial obscene post you made glorifying in the death of a fellow
..human
..> .> .being, but that is the issue here of course.
..> .> .Your opinions of mountain biking and its effect on the world carry no
..> .> .meaning outside your putrile existance, and your willingness to use
..the
..> .> .tradgedy you posted to try and fuel your need for attention and the
..> .> .misguided and quite delusional superiority complex mark you at the
..lower
..> .> .end of the human species, both in intelligence and morality.
..> .> .
..> .> .I pity you.
..> .> .
..> .> .
..> .> .
..> .> .> .Still waiting for the answer to this question, did you contact the
..> .family
..> .> .> .involved before using this as propaganda in your quest?
..> .> .> .
.. .requote this for an answer .(again, interesting you ignore the main point
...of this conversation)(again)
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On 24 May 2005 05:36:33 -0700, "ray" <[email protected]> wrote:

..Vandeman, you're an imbecile, if were all such liars and no hopers for
..your way of thinking, why dont you just post somewhere else, where
..people actually give a flying F*** about what you think, instead of
..wasting valuable tree hugging time here. Shall I tell you why?

Because sane people also read these newsgroups.

..You and I both know, you like the attention pure and simple,

Nope. I could care less whether anyone responds or not. If you DON'T, than I win
by default: no one would be here to refute me (not that you can even when you
TRY!).

gives you
..a little woody does it? No one at home or work give one iota about what
..you think? so you come and mither us, that is about the saddest most
..pathetic thing I have ever heard of. Go get a life. DO anything more
..worthwhile than wasting your remaining years and brain cells away here
..arguing with people who dont give a t**s what you think.

Thanks for demonstrating the low-life character of mountain bikers. I couldn't
have said it better myself.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mark]

> .
> .I am not a mountain biker.
>
> But we know that mountain bikers lie, so that proves that you ARE a
mountain
> biker, and just LYING about it. DUH! Non-mountain bikers also aren't
OBSESSED
> with defending mountain biking, as you are. That's proof # 2.
>
> I have none of the kit and I don't ride
> .technical offroad at all, I don't have the bike for it.
> .
but we also know that you lie, i wont even go into the illogical mess of
your statement, or just exactly how much it reveals about your mental state
alone

what it does highlight very well is your inability to argue over anything
but petty scemantics rather than the ecological issues you pretend to
represent, which more and more are proven to be a sham to justify your
bigotry.

 

[SuperG]

Mikey, disgusting sport? Go away, go far away dude!

Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
> BS. That lie proves my point, LIAR. That's just what mountain bikers call people
> who tell the truth about their selfish, destructive, disgusting sport.
>

> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mark]

"> .what is in your paper?
>
> Read it yourself: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.


Read it, Im asking you because you change the truth and known meaning of
words to fit your agenda of the time, I'd therefore like you to explain it.

> .that mountain bikes are more harmful than off road motor vehicles, whis 5
> .lines up you claim is BS that you never said.
>
> True.

I know
> .Or is it in your paper where you explain why , even though you claim to
be
> .campaigning for the environment you soley attack mountain biking and
> .completely ignore both ATV and horsback riding (which in this very quote
> .here you admit causes environmental harm).
>
> More BS. BOTH are mentioned in my paper.
I didnt say they were not mentioned in your paper, I said you ignored them.

I asked why you didnt explain this bigoted bias in your paper, you still
havent answered.

You dont persue a similar campaign in the relevant newsgroups for either
Horseback riding or ATV use, you dont enforce the idea that they are a
problem like you do mountain biking.

if your agenda is envoronmental and not bigotry, why?


> .You again prove your inability to either tell the truth or show
> .justification from an environmental point of view why only mountain
biking
> .is worth persuing.
> .
> .You are, as I said before, and have been proved correct by your initial
and
> .subsequent posts in this thread, a sham.
> .a bigot, with a hatred for mountian bikers, hiding under a green flag of
> .enviromentalism. Your very existance harms the ecological movement , by
> .the negativity you instill, you tar the reputation of people trying to do
> .genuine good for the world.
>
> Very funny. I'm laughing all the way to my environmental conferences,
where
> mountain bikers NEVER show up (because they would be laughed off the
stage).
And were back to the other thread, please put forward to this group your
published peer reviewed papers showing the acceptance of your theories by
experts in the field.
Until you show this, Im afraid a few lectures to empty halls at the end of
regional conferences mean nothing.

They mark you as a hanger on, not an expert.




> .> .Again, the truth seems to be a moveable yardstick for you, it changes
> .daily
> .> .to suit your argument at that time, your words however, are archived
for
> .all
> .> .to see, they are not subject of any conjecture, they show you will
> .> .completely change your story about anything, deny things you have
> .personally
> .> .said to try and 'win' an internet discussion, and prove beyond doubt
you
> .> .cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything.
> .

 

[Mark]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 25 May 2005 17:30:59 GMT, "Is this trip REALLY necessary?"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> .Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
> .news:[email protected]:
> .
> .Nature is of itself and is not limited to your hypocritical
interpretations.
> .It is not for the likes of you to either define what it is or how it
should
> .be appreciated by anyone other than for yourself. You have done nothing
but
> .insult and degrade the very thing you claim to be protecting. Drop the
act.
> .
> .Done. Later.
> .
> .Ikonicus
> .1-202-518-1515
> .415-203-1513
>
> Use your real name, and maybe someone would take you seriously. MAYBE.

As you are someone with links to a cult, namely synanon, with a history of
violent retribution against people disagreeing with them, I find it
interesting you constantly ask this same question, wanting personal details.

 

[Jason]

* Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>:
> .I am not a mountain biker.
>
> But we know that mountain bikers lie, so that proves that you ARE a mountain
> biker, and just LYING about it. DUH! Non-mountain bikers also aren't OBSESSED
> with defending mountain biking, as you are. That's proof # 2.

Oh god mikey that's a stretch of "logic" even for your demented mind.
However you do owe the company I work for a new monitor and keyboard,
coffee spewed all over them I was laughing so hard at that one.

Jason

FAQ on our favorite troll: http://bbtc.org/php/show_page.php?page_id=32.

 

[Gary S.]

On Fri, 27 May 2005 16:01:23 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 24 May 2005 05:36:33 -0700, "ray" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>.Vandeman, you're an imbecile, if were all such liars and no hopers for
>.your way of thinking, why dont you just post somewhere else, where
>.people actually give a flying F*** about what you think, instead of
>.wasting valuable tree hugging time here. Shall I tell you why?
>
>Because sane people also read these newsgroups.
>
So not only do you post here, but also sane people do?

>.You and I both know, you like the attention pure and simple,
>
>Nope. I could care less whether anyone responds or not. If you DON'T, than I win
>by default: no one would be here to refute me (not that you can even when you
>TRY!).
>
You desperately want responses, like any other Usenet troll who has no
other life. The only way you make an impact in the world is by
deliberately annoying people.

If you are ignored, you do not "win by default" except in your own
mind. But you don't care about your stated cause, you are only here to
argue with people. Just like the Monty Python sketch, except for the
being funny part.

It is impossible to refute you because you are incapable of respecting
other people and what they say, unless agreeing with you. Your
self-definition of the truth as agreement with you means that you are
completely incapable of acknowledging reality.

>Thanks for demonstrating the low-life character of mountain bikers. I couldn't
>have said it better myself.
>
Nothing gets demonstrated except how unreasonable you are.

If there were actual people who agreed with you, you would think that
possibly ONE of them would be as brave and outspoken as you are. But
they only exist in your imagination.

When you use the term "we", I am reminded of a Mark Twain saying. I am
not aware that you are a member of royalty, or that you work as an
editor for a newspaper or magazine. I am therefore forced to conclude
that you have a tapeworm.

Thank you for amusing us today.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
--
At the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Fri, 27 May 2005 15:50:54 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>.>A decade of experience. I hear mountain bikers lie every day. I rarely hear
>.>anyone else lie. QED

>.But you are a known bigot

>BS. That lie proves my point, LIAR. That's just what mountain bikers call people
>who tell the truth about their selfish, destructive, disgusting sport.

Mike, even if it were not true (which it demonstrably is), it still
would not prove your point, because (a) I am no more a mountain biker
than you are and (b) you have thus far produced zero evidence that, if
mountain bikers do all lie, this is anything other than normal human
behaviour.

Always assuming you mean the normal dictionary definition of lying and
not your own "special" definition, that is.

In the absence of this proof, your statement is bigotry.

Guy
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