http://www.lonympics.co.uk/fantasy/cycling.htm A game where you can win teh Tour De France and take back teh Yellow Jersey
How about people look at the problems now with basso, landis etc and sort that rather than chase ghosts from the past?Frigo's Luggage said:Wayne,
Lets look at more evidence:
1. USPS former head soigner, Emma O'Reilly, says he doped. She has first hand knowledge. - was sacked so has axe to grind, also was paid to give interview
2. Most of his liutenants doped: Hamilton, Landis, Heras and now Andreu. none whilst at USPS, no proof again
3. Lemond says Armstrong admitted doping to him. - more sour grapes from lemond
4. Former Motorola rider Steven Swart says Armstrong doped. - swarty is a well known user, was sacked by usps
5. Ferrarri is his doctor-need I say more? - so, he knows more about cycling training that anyone
6. Unmarked Mercedes remove bags of syringes and Actovegin from the USPS team bus during the Tour and dump the stuff in the woods. - how do you know this is fact
7. Traces of corticoids found during a test during the 1999 Tour. - prove nothing
I'm sure that I will think of more.
The worst part about this guy is he claims to be anti-dope. However he harrasses the guys that speak out about doping. He chases down Simeoni, tells Bassons to quit and blasts Andreu.
This guy is a hypocrite. I'm glad he is gone. My vote is that he is not clean. Of course, there is no evidence...
Frigo
Hmmmm, interesting.nl5xbb said:"Armstrong is a doper as he had a corticosteroid in his system...he has been caught!!!...but most believe his cover up. Don't you get it bro......riders don't just "miss" seeing a corticosteroid in a medicine...it does not happen. The team doc goes over everything with a "fine tooth comb". And besides no rider in his right mind would ever use a cream with a corticosteroid because, as I said, it thins the skin and this all Cat 2 riders and above know."
I am not a cyclist but a bodybuilder. I came across this site as I was interested in learning a bit more about EPO. I have extensive first hadn knowledge of AAS(Anabolic/androgenic steroid) use. The problem with the corticosteroid argument is this. Coricosteroids DO NOT have any anabolic effect. Corticosteroids consist of Cortisol and the like. Is cortisol a performance enhancer? No. It helps by destroying nerve cells and is injected into boxers hands (football players used to have it injected into there knees to try and get a few more weeks out of a seriously damaged joint). It is in fact very bad for long term performance. The corticosteroid argument does not hold water.
I also noticed a problem with Ti-Mans original post. He stated that it took him a while for his sexual function and testosterone levels to bounce back. This leads me to believe that he did not follow a proper PCT (Post cycle therapy). It is extremely import for anyone who uses AAS to follow proper pct. At the very least take clomid (clomiphene citrate) after finishing your AAS cycle. Depending on which ester you employ determines how long you wait from your last shot.
Hope this helps.
nl5xbb said:"Armstrong is a doper as he had a corticosteroid in his system...he has been caught!!!...but most believe his cover up. Don't you get it bro......riders don't just "miss" seeing a corticosteroid in a medicine...it does not happen. The team doc goes over everything with a "fine tooth comb". And besides no rider in his right mind would ever use a cream with a corticosteroid because, as I said, it thins the skin and this all Cat 2 riders and above know."
I am not a cyclist but a bodybuilder. I came across this site as I was interested in learning a bit more about EPO. I have extensive first hadn knowledge of AAS(Anabolic/androgenic steroid) use. The problem with the corticosteroid argument is this. Coricosteroids DO NOT have any anabolic effect. Corticosteroids consist of Cortisol and the like. Is cortisol a performance enhancer? No. It helps by destroying nerve cells and is injected into boxers hands (football players used to have it injected into there knees to try and get a few more weeks out of a seriously damaged joint). It is in fact very bad for long term performance. The corticosteroid argument does not hold water.
I also noticed a problem with Ti-Mans original post. He stated that it took him a while for his sexual function and testosterone levels to bounce back. This leads me to believe that he did not follow a proper PCT (Post cycle therapy). It is extremely import for anyone who uses AAS to follow proper pct. At the very least take clomid (clomiphene citrate) after finishing your AAS cycle. Depending on which ester you employ determines how long you wait from your last shot.
Hope this helps.
You are rightnl5xbb said:I could see working out longer but needing more rest to recover would cause you to have the same net amount of work done. So therefore you may as well not take it. Cortisol, I have heard of it used in endurance events, to increase pain threshold but it is ultimately very damaging (i maybe completely full of S*** so let me know here), and therefore for an athlete who wants a full career and not just "one more round/mile/touchdown" it would not be helpful.
Let me know.
I may have missed something but I got this as an automated message from the board.Felt_Rider said:You are right
Increased cortisol (known as the catabolic hormone) levels are something I would like to see in my competition and not in me.
Absolutely gorgeous post!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ashley3 said:"You quote me." I didn't "quote" you about anything.
And the profile of someone "wanting attention on a forum?"
What's that all about? A forum exists so that those who choose to do so can bring attention to their ideas. So, the sin here is that someone used a forum as it's intended to be used?
Just as, I should point out, you are doing youself.
The only difference between the two of you is that Ti purported to be revealing, candidly, that he violated the rules of his sport -- and perhaps the law -- and cheated in the hope of winning. Now, if that "attention getting" revelation somehow is glorious, it escapes me.
You, on the other hand, seem eager to engage in personal attack.
While he is admitting to a dishonorable past, the dishonor of this hour belongs to you.
Highly accurate.Felt_Rider said:The only thing I find positive about cortisol is the ability to block pain during a sporting event. However, I believe many retired professional athletes that competed in impact event like the NFL are near crippled later in life because these types of steroids are used to block the pain during the season and yet the injury continues to digress rather than heal.
TiMan said:I took 175 mg of testosterone per week by injection for one season.The ability to recover after repeated hard days was unreal. This dose of testosterone put my testosterone level above 1000ng/dl...about twice what a normal male puts out.
This is what the test does....it helps you recover. You can also get down below 6% body fat without loosing any muscle mass. On the down side test, and all steroids, will make you hold water weight and I was holding about 5 pounds I think. The water, however, is mainly intramuscular and it helps with strength a lot.
Sides.....acne, lost a bit of hair, and of course even a small dose of testosterone will shut down your natural testosterone production completely. When you stop it takes a while before your natural testosterone level comes back and you feel tired and with no sex drive at all.
Testosterone and all steroids will make your good cholesterol(hdl) basically disappear as well while "on" the stuff.
I also used EPO for 4 months 4000 iu's injected sub Q in the lower belly fat once a week to build, and then 1000 a week to hold. 4000iu's will bring your hematocrit up 1% a week.
I went up to 54% but even at 50%, the legal limit in the pro ranks , my performance was unreal.
My sustainable power output went from 350 to 420 in three months!!! That's a 20% gain!!!
Sides.....none because I checked my crit every three days with a portable crit tester.
I also NEVER got dehydrated and never went above 54%.
If anyone does not test their hematocrit at least weekly then they are idiots plain and simple.
Anyone that goes above 55% is an idiot because at night when your heart rate and blood pressure drops you can DIE simply because the heart is not getting enough oxygen.
By the way Riis and Pantani were well above 55% when they won "the tour".
At the time I was racing Cat 1 and I can tell you that most of the guys that were really good riders were on EPO or at least blood doping.
Now for the VERY COMMON way to blood dope.
Our team doctor would take about a liter of blood out of each of us a couple months before a big race. Then he would spin it in a centrifuge to rid the blood of plasma...what was left was pure red blood cells(packed cells). He would then drain the blood into blood bags, put preservative in it and put the whole nine yards in a frige at 33 degrees F. The day of the race we would infuse our own blood back. Each unit of packed cells(about 300cc) would increase our hematocrit about by 3!!! so if you infused 3 units you jumped 9 points....like from 45 to 54%!!!
Now I don't think that anyone should use drugs. I for one didn't like myself while I was "on". I always wondered about the guys in the back of the pack...what if they took drugs...maybe they would kick my ass. What about the pro's that don't use drugs ....maybe they would kick Armstrongs ass too.
SO...anyone who believes that Armstrong or any other top pro or even any top Cat 1 national level rider is clean simply lacks high level racing experince. Armstrong is an asshole for saying he has is clean......Greg Lemond know better. I do NOT wear the yellow wrist band!!!
wilmar13 said:Uhh he was World Champion in 1993 at age 21 or 22 and in 1996 had cancer... he was no pack-fodder pro transformed into a GC great. IMO he most certainly took performance enhancers as did all the other cyclists. But don't downplay the fact that he was still amoung the best of the best.
ilpirata said:First I thankyou for your candid post. And I have no problem with you having a certain opinion that Armstrong used banned enhancers, or believing the word of Lemond that he didn't. Or if you believe that all the top riders are doing something on the pro-tour. You are free to believe and say what you believe. But I would like to know how you publish that Marco Pantani won the tour de france with hematocrit above 55%. How do you have this knowledge?
TiMan said:In 95, after his crash, his crit was tested and published at 60%!
Take a look at the new book that is out about Marco.....he had his crit levels documented for years...this info has been recovered and has been published.
He was often above 55%, but sometimes, depending on the time of the year, he had his normal crit of about 41%.
When was Lance Armstrong ever the World Time Trial Champ? I thought he was road champ and only TT champs could wear the jersey during TTs?TiMan said:We was good....and very good too... BUT not a grand tour winner type UNTIL he hooked up with Dr. Dope in Italy. Loosing 10 pounds of muscle mass helped but it isn't going to make THAT much difference.
Take a good look at this clip. Armstrong gets passed by Indurain like I would pass my wife! He has his world Champion Jersey on but lacks proper doping.
You don't go from THAT Armstrong to one of the best TT riders in history with just hard work and good genetics. ALSO and VERY IMPORTANTLY, not everyone responds the same to drug therapy......some guys will get over 30% tacked onto their threshold power and others will only get 15%. So it is not an even playing field in the pro tour...not in the slightest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPx5I538X6Q
Rolfrae said:When was Lance Armstrong ever the World Time Trial Champ? I thought he was road champ and only TT champs could wear the jersey during TTs?
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