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On Mar 7, 4:45 pm, "Ozark Bicycle"
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> On Mar 7, 3:48 pm, "[email protected]"
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> > On Mar 7, 9:33 am, "Ozark Bicycle"
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> > > On Mar 7, 9:24 am, "[email protected]"
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> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 6, 3:30 pm, "Ozark Bicycle"
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> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 6, 3:20 pm, "landotter" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Mar 6, 2:51 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
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> > > > > > > landotter wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Mar 6, 9:31 am, "D'ohBoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2007/shows/nahmbs07/?id=results/nahmb...
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> > > > > > > > Woohoo! Some gorgeous stuff there. I hope there's trickle down in the
> > > > > > > > randonneuring and utility bike departments, like what happened with
> > > > > > > > the streetified fixie trend a while back.
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> > > > > > > There was a strong showing of street-fixies at the show, perhaps not as many as
> > > > > > > in years past, however (this was my first year there).
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> > > > > > I'm just hoping for one of the big manufacturers to put out an
> > > > > > inexpensive (700ish) all rounder with long reach brakes or cantis,
> > > > > > room for 32mm tires, simple and strong 32h wheels, and a no-nonsense
> > > > > > group like Tiagra
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> > > > > That would be *very* nice. Something in the ~$600 range....
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> > > > > >mated with downtube shifters. Something like a mass
> > > > > > manufactured Kogswell Porteur with 26" wheels. Just skipping the
> > > > > > brifters would let them spend the money better elsewhere.
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> > > > > I agree, but I fear that "skipping the brifters" is a recipe for
> > > > > disaster, if you're a big manufacturer.
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> > > > Yes. On various internet forums where people talk about touring
> > > > bicycles, it is ALWAYS mentioned the Trek 520 does not have STI
> > > > shifters, but bar end. And it is ALWAYS mentioned the Cannondale T800
> > > > has STI. And the Cannondale is lauded and the Trek 520 is not.
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> > > > A smaller maker, satisfied
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> > > I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you being sarcastic?
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> > > At any rate, I will say this: the Trek 520 design is "grandfathered"
> > > in and goes back to a time when Trek was a much smaller company with,
> > > IMO, a different market in mind (less focused on "racing/high
> > > performance" bikes). Trek has obviously avoided using barends, or
> > > other alternatives, in newer designs even when such alternatives make
> > > sense (e.g., cross bikes, commuter bikes, etc).- Hide quoted text -
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> > Merely agreeing that without STI, a bike is disregarded.
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> Ah. The "smaller maker satisfied" part is what confused me.
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> > With new
> > bike touring people, people who have never toured in their life, the
> > Trek 520 is hardly considered because it has bar end shifters. Its
> > talked about because it has been around forever. But quickly
> > dismissed because it does not have STI like the good touring bikes do.
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> IMO, a lot of that kind of thing comes from the LBS, where "road"
> bikes without brifters are treated like second (third?) rate goods.
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> > Not saying the Trek 520 is a great touring bike. For its price, there
> > are several better touring bikes on the market. And equal bikes for
> > hundreds less. Trek is padding its retail price several hundred
> > dollars on the 520 due to it being around forever and the Trek brand
> > name
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> What's the MSRP for a 520 these days? $1200 or so? That does seem a
> little on the high side.- Hide quoted text -
$1239.99. http://www2.trekbikes.com/bikes/bike.php?bikeid=1432000&f=6
Novara Randonee, Bianchi Volpe, Fuji Touring, Surly Long Haul
Trucker(complete bike from QBP) and probably a few others are all
$200-300 or so less than the Trek 520 and are similarly equipped, if
not better equipped. Cannondale T800, Rocky Mountain Touring bike,
and a few others are all similarly priced to the Trek 520 and are
better equipped.
>From my touring experience, the Trek 520 is a fine touring bike. It
gets you there and back without problems. If you can find one at a
deep discount, consider it. If paying close to MSRP, its overpriced
and there are better values to be had easily.
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> On Mar 7, 3:48 pm, "[email protected]"
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> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 9:33 am, "Ozark Bicycle"
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> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Mar 7, 9:24 am, "[email protected]"
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> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 6, 3:30 pm, "Ozark Bicycle"
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> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 6, 3:20 pm, "landotter" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Mar 6, 2:51 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > landotter wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Mar 6, 9:31 am, "D'ohBoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2007/shows/nahmbs07/?id=results/nahmb...
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> > > > > > > > Woohoo! Some gorgeous stuff there. I hope there's trickle down in the
> > > > > > > > randonneuring and utility bike departments, like what happened with
> > > > > > > > the streetified fixie trend a while back.
>
> > > > > > > There was a strong showing of street-fixies at the show, perhaps not as many as
> > > > > > > in years past, however (this was my first year there).
>
> > > > > > I'm just hoping for one of the big manufacturers to put out an
> > > > > > inexpensive (700ish) all rounder with long reach brakes or cantis,
> > > > > > room for 32mm tires, simple and strong 32h wheels, and a no-nonsense
> > > > > > group like Tiagra
>
> > > > > That would be *very* nice. Something in the ~$600 range....
>
> > > > > >mated with downtube shifters. Something like a mass
> > > > > > manufactured Kogswell Porteur with 26" wheels. Just skipping the
> > > > > > brifters would let them spend the money better elsewhere.
>
> > > > > I agree, but I fear that "skipping the brifters" is a recipe for
> > > > > disaster, if you're a big manufacturer.
>
> > > > Yes. On various internet forums where people talk about touring
> > > > bicycles, it is ALWAYS mentioned the Trek 520 does not have STI
> > > > shifters, but bar end. And it is ALWAYS mentioned the Cannondale T800
> > > > has STI. And the Cannondale is lauded and the Trek 520 is not.
>
> > > > A smaller maker, satisfied
>
> > > I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you being sarcastic?
>
> > > At any rate, I will say this: the Trek 520 design is "grandfathered"
> > > in and goes back to a time when Trek was a much smaller company with,
> > > IMO, a different market in mind (less focused on "racing/high
> > > performance" bikes). Trek has obviously avoided using barends, or
> > > other alternatives, in newer designs even when such alternatives make
> > > sense (e.g., cross bikes, commuter bikes, etc).- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > Merely agreeing that without STI, a bike is disregarded.
>
> Ah. The "smaller maker satisfied" part is what confused me.
>
> > With new
> > bike touring people, people who have never toured in their life, the
> > Trek 520 is hardly considered because it has bar end shifters. Its
> > talked about because it has been around forever. But quickly
> > dismissed because it does not have STI like the good touring bikes do.
>
> IMO, a lot of that kind of thing comes from the LBS, where "road"
> bikes without brifters are treated like second (third?) rate goods.
>
>
>
> > Not saying the Trek 520 is a great touring bike. For its price, there
> > are several better touring bikes on the market. And equal bikes for
> > hundreds less. Trek is padding its retail price several hundred
> > dollars on the 520 due to it being around forever and the Trek brand
> > name
>
> What's the MSRP for a 520 these days? $1200 or so? That does seem a
> little on the high side.- Hide quoted text -
$1239.99. http://www2.trekbikes.com/bikes/bike.php?bikeid=1432000&f=6
Novara Randonee, Bianchi Volpe, Fuji Touring, Surly Long Haul
Trucker(complete bike from QBP) and probably a few others are all
$200-300 or so less than the Trek 520 and are similarly equipped, if
not better equipped. Cannondale T800, Rocky Mountain Touring bike,
and a few others are all similarly priced to the Trek 520 and are
better equipped.
>From my touring experience, the Trek 520 is a fine touring bike. It
gets you there and back without problems. If you can find one at a
deep discount, consider it. If paying close to MSRP, its overpriced
and there are better values to be had easily.
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