OT: Gun question

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:43:47 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
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John Hanson <[email hidden]> wrote in
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:22:06 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
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So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given
a shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

Excellent!

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So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said
it had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to
be openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin',
NRA-card- carryin' nuts use?

I'd ship it to yourself.

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And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or
something-- we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a
cheese grater, but what else does one do with it? (Yeah, I know. Shoot
birds. Ugh, yuck. I have a spaniel who would love it if we took up bird
shooting, actually, she's smart, a great swimmer, loves retreiving, and
has an amazing soft mouth--I know the last because she grabbed one of
our chickens and headed for the woods with it. I yelled at her from
across the field to drop it and she did (she's a *good* dog) and it
flapped off, unhurt. I mean what can you do *besides* shoot birds.)

A .22 is NOT a shotgun and you don't bird hunt with a .22. You bird
hunt with a shotgun. Do you dog a favor and purchase a shotgun and go
hunting with her. Get a 12 gauge for yourself and a 20 for your son
unless he's nearly full grown.

Well I could have asked my paw-in-law which of those numbers it was that
applies, but I knew I could get it from you guys. It's not a .22, it's a
20-guage. We took it out to his pasture along with a 12 guage that he
(paw-in-law) liberated from Darmstadt in the war. I don't know much about
guns but it's a beautiful piece of machinery. That was birdshot we were
using in both guns--I know because of the pretty pictures of Our Feathered
Friends on the boxes. God, I'm pathetic.

I had a sneaking suspicion it was a 20 gauge.

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If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target
shooting. But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?

No, that's all shotgun work. You can hunt just about every North
American big game animal with a shotgun as long as it is at fairly
close range.

Yeah, you shoot skeet with a shotgun? Cool. And target shooting? What do
you get besides a million holes in a sheet of paper? There's a skeet range
not far from me. There's also a scary gun store with cars on blocks in the
side yard and a "God Bless George Bush" sign out front. They have a
shooting range out back and will rent you (can't buy it or take it off the
property) a full machine gun to practice with. And I have aquaintances who
can set us up with gun safety, local clubs, etc.

You can shoot rifled and sabot slugs with a shotgun and I guess you
could use that for target shooting. You might end up with a really
nice bruise in the process though. A 12 gauge slug is really a .75
caliber bullet and those 3" magnums kick like a mule.

You're magnum waterfowl loads kick nearly as much ( 3" and 3 1/2"
magnum shotshells in T, F, BBB, BB, 1, 2, 3, 4 shot steel, bismuth,
tungsten-iron) with your turkey and pheasant loads being far more
pleasant to shoot. Your dove and trap loads (2 3/4" 7.5 and 8 shot)
being downright comfortable.

The machine gun shooting is usually pretty expensive but would be a
great deal of fun and well worth it. Definitely look into taking some
gun safety training and familiarize yourself with all aspects or any
particular firearm you shoot and its ammunition.

Good Hunting!

David Cohen said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Hugh Beyer said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given
a shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

A shotgun? Why?

Maybe Grandpa fondly remembers what is was like to be an 1) American 2) male
3) with testicles?

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So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said
it had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to
be openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin',
NRA-card-
carryin' nuts use?

In Massechusetts, you have to apply for a license, pay $10,000 fee, put your
first born up as security, and wait three years for your Government's
approval. Unless you're the Senator posing like a hunter, in which case, you
get the Expedited Democratic Hypocracy Exception.

Call your local gun shop...there must be one in the state...and ask them.

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And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or
something--
we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a cheese grater,
but what else does one do with it?

Annoy the racoons trying to get into your garbage, drive off the gopher
that is rooting up your garden, scare off the crows eating your seeds,
force your pregnant teen-aged daughter's boyfriend to marry her... that's
about all I can think of.

So I'm back to wonder, why? I mean, a rototiller is a handy thing to
have, too, if you happen to be laying in a garden. But does your son need
one of those, too?

Can I get an autographed copy of your next book, "How To Raise Effeminate
Gay Male Children In Five Easy Steps"?

<golf clap>

Have a great weekend Cohen - you know I intend to! ;o)

TFIF

John Hanson said:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:47:30 -0500, Dally <[email hidden]> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

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David Cohen said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

>Hugh Beyer wrote:
>
>
>>So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given
>>a shotgun by his cracker granpaw.
>
>A shotgun? Why?

Maybe Grandpa fondly remembers what is was like to be an 1) American 2) male
3) with testicles?

He needs a shotgun for that? A rifle won't do? Nor a handgun?

A .22 is a rifle caliber...and handgun, but it is not a shotgun
"caliber".

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I'm thinking a shotgun has all the PIA elements of gun-owning without
many of the benefits.

A first gun should always be a shotgun, IMO. It's the most versatile
firearm.

It's pointless trying to explain to Dolly why a shotgun is so
important.

Have a great weekend JH - you know I intend to! ;o)

TFIF

"Hugh Beyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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And anything that goes BANG and makes holes in things is fun in its own
right, of course.

Heck yeah - and when you get tired of that, try some of these on for size
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=981503

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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:43:47 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
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John Hanson <[email hidden]> wrote in
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:22:06 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been
>given a shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

Excellent!

>
>So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline
>said it had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage
>have to be openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin',
>gun-totin', NRA-card- carryin' nuts use?

I'd ship it to yourself.

>
>And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or
>something-- we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a
>cheese grater, but what else does one do with it? (Yeah, I know. Shoot
>birds. Ugh, yuck. I have a spaniel who would love it if we took up
>bird shooting, actually, she's smart, a great swimmer, loves
>retreiving, and has an amazing soft mouth--I know the last because she
>grabbed one of our chickens and headed for the woods with it. I yelled
>at her from across the field to drop it and she did (she's a *good*
>dog) and it flapped off, unhurt. I mean what can you do *besides*
>shoot birds.)

A .22 is NOT a shotgun and you don't bird hunt with a .22. You bird
hunt with a shotgun. Do you dog a favor and purchase a shotgun and go
hunting with her. Get a 12 gauge for yourself and a 20 for your son
unless he's nearly full grown.

Well I could have asked my paw-in-law which of those numbers it was that
applies, but I knew I could get it from you guys. It's not a .22, it's a
20-guage. We took it out to his pasture along with a 12 guage that he
(paw-in-law) liberated from Darmstadt in the war. I don't know much
about guns but it's a beautiful piece of machinery. That was birdshot we
were using in both guns--I know because of the pretty pictures of Our
Feathered Friends on the boxes. God, I'm pathetic.

I had a sneaking suspicion it was a 20 gauge.

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>
>If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target
>shooting. But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?
>
No, that's all shotgun work. You can hunt just about every North
American big game animal with a shotgun as long as it is at fairly
close range.

Yeah, you shoot skeet with a shotgun? Cool. And target shooting? What do
you get besides a million holes in a sheet of paper? There's a skeet
range not far from me. There's also a scary gun store with cars on
blocks in the side yard and a "God Bless George Bush" sign out front.
They have a shooting range out back and will rent you (can't buy it or
take it off the property) a full machine gun to practice with. And I
have aquaintances who can set us up with gun safety, local clubs, etc.

You can shoot rifled and sabot slugs with a shotgun and I guess you
could use that for target shooting. You might end up with a really
nice bruise in the process though. A 12 gauge slug is really a .75
caliber bullet and those 3" magnums kick like a mule.

You're magnum waterfowl loads kick nearly as much ( 3" and 3 1/2"
magnum shotshells in T, F, BBB, BB, 1, 2, 3, 4 shot steel, bismuth,
tungsten-iron) with your turkey and pheasant loads being far more
pleasant to shoot. Your dove and trap loads (2 3/4" 7.5 and 8 shot)
being downright comfortable.

The machine gun shooting is usually pretty expensive but would be a
great deal of fun and well worth it. Definitely look into taking some
gun safety training and familiarize yourself with all aspects or any
particular firearm you shoot and its ammunition.

Good Hunting!

Huh, so there's a lot more to the shot than I realized. We were shooting
the little stuff, I think. My father in law used to hunt quail and we were
using his leftover ammo.

Maybe I'll take up hunting turkey. They skulk all over the neighborhood
and clearly need shooting.

Thanks for the info.

Hugh

--
Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
chocolate. ("Ladi"😉

"Ranieri" <nah> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

"Hugh Beyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

And anything that goes BANG and makes holes in things is fun in its own
right, of course.

Heck yeah - and when you get tired of that, try some of these on for size
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=981503

I am NOT telling my son about the "dragon's breath" round.

Hugh

--
Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
chocolate. ("Ladi"😉

Hugh Beyer said:

For Dally: I'm in NH, not MA, so I think that means I can own anything up
to a howitzer and blow away anybody who comes around asking questions, but
I'll ask the local police chief, who's in our church, and make sure.

Yup, "live free and die." I'm sure you won't have nearly the amount of
trouble I've got 20 miles south of your border.

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As for why I accepted the gift, my wife and I did have to have a
conversation or two about that. But we don't have a philosophical
objection to guns or hunting, and the kid thinks it's cool, and knowing
how to handle a gun is like knowing how to play a musical instrument, or
bridge, or tennis, or make dinner, or change a tire--something any
functioning adult ought to be able to do.

I agree with this and don't have a philosophical problem with it,
either, but there is a logistical problem. There's a lot of
responsibility that goes with owning/having/storing a gun, and the sport
of target shooting might be fun and worth knowing, but is it worth the
cost? Skiing is fun, too, doesn't mean everyone ought to go drop a
grand on skiis in case they want to buy lift tickets this winter.

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And anything that goes BANG and makes holes in things is fun in its own
right, of course.

Yeah, but I tend to think of guns as tools. Certainly, that's how I
think of shotguns - as a farm tool. But then, as Cohen correctly
pointed out, I'm sadly lacking in the scrotum area.

Dally

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Hugh Beyer wrote:

But then, as Cohen correctly
pointed out, I'm sadly lacking in the scrotum area.

Judging from your feminist point of views, you have your husbands in your
purse. Use his.

John said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hugh Beyer wrote:

But then, as Cohen correctly
pointed out, I'm sadly lacking in the scrotum area.

Judging from your feminist point of views, you have your husbands in your
purse. Use his.

Doesn't come out with some unbelievable [censored]? ;o)

HAGW!

TFIF

"Hugh Beyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given a
shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said
it
had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to be
openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin', NRA-card-
carryin' nuts use?

And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or
something--
we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a cheese grater,
but
what else does one do with it? (Yeah, I know. Shoot birds. Ugh, yuck. I
have
a spaniel who would love it if we took up bird shooting, actually, she's
smart, a great swimmer, loves retreiving, and has an amazing soft mouth--I
know the last because she grabbed one of our chickens and headed for the
woods with it. I yelled at her from across the field to drop it and she
did
(she's a *good* dog) and it flapped off, unhurt. I mean what can you do
*besides* shoot birds.)

If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target shooting.
But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?

I think it's for shooting a duck.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:34:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

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Huh, so there's a lot more to the shot than I realized. We were shooting
the little stuff, I think. My father in law used to hunt quail and we were
using his leftover ammo.

Maybe I'll take up hunting turkey. They skulk all over the neighborhood
and clearly need shooting.

Thanks for the info.

I should also mention that there are different screw in/on chokes (and
barrels but that can get expensive) for modern shotguns that will
change your pattern or provide rifling (for sabot slugs). The most
common are Improved Cylinder, Modified and Full but there are more.
This site does a good job of explaining chokes:
http://www.trulockchokes.com/chokeinfo.asp

DUck season! Shoot

Duck season after the 1st go- watch you r WB toons more- Bugs is so
crafty he can mess that rednecks head up in a second. JOHN they named a
room after you.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given a
shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said it
had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to be
openable?

No. After they inspect the gun in its case, they insert a tag that can
be read through the container so they know it's been inspected but can't
be opened due to lock. You simply show up the the arline check in, tell
them you are transporting a firearm, and take it from there. What you do
NOT want to do is attempt to get it on the plane without going through
that process. Go to airline home page for their specifics of what type
of container the require, etc.

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What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin', NRA-card-
carryin' nuts use?

Personally, I always use the best and what most shooters use who want to
totally protect their guns: http://www.pelican.com/

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And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or something--

You said shot gun. What you do with a .22 and a shot gun are totally
different.

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we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a cheese grater, but
what else does one do with it? (Yeah, I know. Shoot birds. Ugh, yuck. I have
a spaniel who would love it if we took up bird shooting, actually, she's
smart, a great swimmer, loves retreiving, and has an amazing soft mouth--I
know the last because she grabbed one of our chickens and headed for the
woods with it. I yelled at her from across the field to drop it and she did
(she's a *good* dog) and it flapped off, unhurt. I mean what can you do
*besides* shoot birds.)

If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target shooting.
But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?

..22 or shotgun? make up your mind.

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Hugh

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

"WillBrink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]> wrote:

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.22 or shotgun? make up your mind.

He's a liberal. 'Nuff said.

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

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I think of a shotgun as more of a tool than weapon,

Argh....

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Dally

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

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I think of a shotgun as more of a tool than weapon,

Argh....

Hey, it's FUN being on this side of the pointy stick!

Dally

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given a
shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said it
had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to be
openable?

No. After they inspect the gun in its case, they insert a tag that can
be read through the container so they know it's been inspected but can't
be opened due to lock. You simply show up the the arline check in, tell
them you are transporting a firearm, and take it from there. What you do
NOT want to do is attempt to get it on the plane without going through
that process. Go to airline home page for their specifics of what type
of container the require, etc.

Quoted message said:

What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin', NRA-card-
carryin' nuts use?

Personally, I always use the best and what most shooters use who want to
totally protect their guns: http://www.pelican.com/

<sigh> You're engaging in that classic rec.guns elitism, Will. Did
you read what he said? This is grandpa's gift to the grandson. I
doubt it's a Browning autoloader or a fancy European over-under. More
likely, it's a New England Arms single-shot. He doesn't need a gun
case that twice exceeds the value of the gun.

Try these, Hugh:

http://www.cabelas.com/products/Cpod0005618.jsp

They are still of decent quality and lockable.

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

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WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

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I think of a shotgun as more of a tool than weapon,

Argh....

Hey, it's FUN being on this side of the pointy stick!

Argh squared. Within about 50ft or so, 12g shotguns are the prefered
weapon more often than not and combat shotguns abound.

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Dally

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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JMW said:

<sigh> You're engaging in that classic rec.guns elitism, Will. Did
you read what he said? This is grandpa's gift to the grandson. I
doubt it's a Browning autoloader or a fancy European over-under.

Well we have no idea do we? Could be an antique used by Lincoln for all
we know.

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More
likely, it's a New England Arms single-shot. He doesn't need a gun
case that twice exceeds the value of the gun.

I didn't say needs, but for transporting fire arms, I like Pelican. I
also use them for my cameras, etc. A cheap case from Sports Depot would
work fine also.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/