OT: Gun question

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>I think of a shotgun as more of a tool than weapon,

Argh....

Hey, it's FUN being on this side of the pointy stick!

Argh squared. Within about 50ft or so, 12g shotguns are the prefered
weapon more often than not and combat shotguns abound.

Okay, but if you think of it, I've lumped "weapon" in with "handy tools"
and that's progress, doncha think?

Speaking of lethal shotguns, did you catch this particular episode of
Darwin at work?

http://www.wwlp.com/news2004/story.html?artID=302125

Synopsis: father hunting with 10 year old son, slipped and says "tree
branch pulled the trigger", 10 year old son dies from shotgun blast to
the back. I rather prefer when Darwin works by killing them before they
procreate, as opposed to having them kill off their descendents, but it
works out to the same thing in the end.

Dally

WillBrink <[email hidden]> wrote in news:WillBrink*NOSPAM*-
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

<sigh> You're engaging in that classic rec.guns elitism, Will. Did
you read what he said? This is grandpa's gift to the grandson. I
doubt it's a Browning autoloader or a fancy European over-under.

Well we have no idea do we? Could be an antique used by Lincoln for all
we know.

No, that's the other one. (Flintlock shotgun owned by his great-grandfather,
dates back to the Civil War.) This is a single-barrel, holds 3 shells in the
magazine and one in the chamber. Or maybe 2 and 1.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

More
likely, it's a New England Arms single-shot. He doesn't need a gun
case that twice exceeds the value of the gun.

I had a bit the same reaction. But we need something sturdy that locks for
storage here, too.

Hugh

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Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
chocolate. ("Ladi"😉

Dally said:

Speaking of lethal shotguns, did you catch this particular episode of
Darwin at work?

http://www.wwlp.com/news2004/story.html?artID=302125

Synopsis: father hunting with 10 year old son, slipped and says "tree
branch pulled the trigger", 10 year old son dies from shotgun blast to
the back. I rather prefer when Darwin works by killing them before they
procreate, as opposed to having them kill off their descendents, but it
works out to the same thing in the end.

You stupid [censored]. First you copy my link and story, then make fun of a
terrible tragedy.

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:42:10 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

WillBrink <[email hidden]> wrote in news:WillBrink*NOSPAM*-
[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

<sigh> You're engaging in that classic rec.guns elitism, Will. Did
you read what he said? This is grandpa's gift to the grandson. I
doubt it's a Browning autoloader or a fancy European over-under.

Well we have no idea do we? Could be an antique used by Lincoln for all
we know.

No, that's the other one. (Flintlock shotgun owned by his great-grandfather,
dates back to the Civil War.) This is a single-barrel, holds 3 shells in the
magazine and one in the chamber. Or maybe 2 and 1.

It probably holds more than that. All shotguns with a magazine have
come with a plug that only allows 3 shells to be loaded at one time
since the late 1930s. This is due to federal waterfowl regulation
that dates back to 1937 where one cannot hunt waterfowl with a shotgun
that is capable of holding more than 3 shotshells unless it is plugged
to prevent it from doing so. But, the plug is easily removed which
will allow for more shotshells to be loaded for whatever else you
might use it for.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

More
likely, it's a New England Arms single-shot. He doesn't need a gun
case that twice exceeds the value of the gun.

I had a bit the same reaction. But we need something sturdy that locks for
storage here, too.

Don't store a firearm in a case.

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:42:10 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

WillBrink <[email hidden]> wrote in news:WillBrink*NOSPAM*-
[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

<sigh> You're engaging in that classic rec.guns elitism, Will. Did
you read what he said? This is grandpa's gift to the grandson. I
doubt it's a Browning autoloader or a fancy European over-under.

Well we have no idea do we? Could be an antique used by Lincoln for all
we know.

No, that's the other one. (Flintlock shotgun owned by his great-grandfather,
dates back to the Civil War.) This is a single-barrel, holds 3 shells in the
magazine and one in the chamber. Or maybe 2 and 1.

It probably holds more than that. All shotguns with a magazine have
come with a plug that only allows 3 shells to be loaded at one time
since the late 1930s. This is due to federal waterfowl regulation
that dates back to 1937 where one cannot hunt waterfowl with a shotgun
that is capable of holding more than 3 shotshells unless it is plugged
to prevent it from doing so. But, the plug is easily removed which
will allow for more shotshells to be loaded for whatever else you
might use it for.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

More
likely, it's a New England Arms single-shot. He doesn't need a gun
case that twice exceeds the value of the gun.

I had a bit the same reaction. But we need something sturdy that locks for
storage here, too.

Don't store a firearm in a case.

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

WillBrink wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>I think of a shotgun as more of a tool than weapon,
>
>
>Argh....

Hey, it's FUN being on this side of the pointy stick!

Argh squared. Within about 50ft or so, 12g shotguns are the prefered
weapon more often than not and combat shotguns abound.

Okay, but if you think of it, I've lumped "weapon" in with "handy tools"
and that's progress, doncha think?

Speaking of lethal shotguns, did you catch this particular episode of
Darwin at work?

http://www.wwlp.com/news2004/story.html?artID=302125

Synopsis: father hunting with 10 year old son, slipped and says "tree
branch pulled the trigger", 10 year old son dies from shotgun blast to
the back. I rather prefer when Darwin works by killing them before they
procreate, as opposed to having them kill off their descendents, but it
works out to the same thing in the end.

I did, and it's really sad. It was either a total freak accident and or
or it was due to just poor gun safety handling. I have not seen any
solid info either way to pass judgment on this man who just lost a son
in front of his very eyes. Regardless, this type of thing is a very rare
occurrence compared to the number of hunters out there ("first fatal
hunting accident in western Massachusetts in more than a decade"😉 and
their risk of death is FAR higher driving to and from the hunting site.

Quoted message said:

Dally

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

WillBrink <[email hidden]> wrote in news:WillBrink*NOSPAM*-
[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

<sigh> You're engaging in that classic rec.guns elitism, Will. Did
you read what he said? This is grandpa's gift to the grandson. I
doubt it's a Browning autoloader or a fancy European over-under.

Well we have no idea do we? Could be an antique used by Lincoln for all
we know.

No, that's the other one. (Flintlock shotgun owned by his great-grandfather,
dates back to the Civil War.) This is a single-barrel, holds 3 shells in the
magazine and one in the chamber. Or maybe 2 and 1.

Does not really tell us anything about it's potential worth, but John is
right, a cheap plastic case from Sports Depot or what ever would work
fine for shipping or transport. Hit a local sports hunting type store
and see what they have. Me, I like my Pelicans as they are f-ing tough
and the choice of shooters, military, etc. As far as worth, post the
question to rec.guns.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

More
likely, it's a New England Arms single-shot. He doesn't need a gun
case that twice exceeds the value of the gun.

I had a bit the same reaction. But we need something sturdy that locks for
storage here, too.

A cheap trigger lock will work also in terms of safety, a cheap gun
locker, etc, etc.

Quoted message said:

Hugh

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

John Hanson <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had a bit the same reaction. But we need something sturdy that locks for
storage here, too.

Don't store a firearm in a case.

You mean because the whole case can be stolen, right?

Just want to be sure there's not something else there that I don't know.

Hugh

--
Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
chocolate. ("Ladi"😉

WillBrink said:

Dally said:

Speaking of lethal shotguns, did you catch this particular episode of
Darwin at work?

http://www.wwlp.com/news2004/story.html?artID=302125

Synopsis: father hunting with 10 year old son, slipped and says "tree
branch pulled the trigger", 10 year old son dies from shotgun blast to
the back. I rather prefer when Darwin works by killing them before they
procreate, as opposed to having them kill off their descendents, but it
works out to the same thing in the end.

I did, and it's really sad. It was either a total freak accident and or
it was due to just poor gun safety handling. I have not seen any
solid info either way to pass judgment on this man who just lost a son
in front of his very eyes. Regardless, this type of thing is a very rare
occurrence compared to the number of hunters out there ("first fatal
hunting accident in western Massachusetts in more than a decade"😉 and
their risk of death is FAR higher driving to and from the hunting site.

I agree with your assessment of relative risks, and I agree that it is
terribly sad - truly tragic -, but I don't have any particular problem
blaming the guy.

Give me a "total freak accident" scenario in which it's reasonable to
have a gun pointing at your kid's back, have the safety off, and have
something tugging at the trigger.

My memory of watching the guys walking with shotguns is they're broken
open (insert fancy term) and the barrel is pointing at the ground and
they walk side by side.

I do have pity for him - I have to, I'm a Bleeding Heart Liberal and
it's the law. It's not right that the punishment for mishandling a gun
is that your kid dies. But that goes back exactly to why I don't have
guns in the house with my kids. The small particle of possible risk
outweighs any probably gain in my opinion.

By the way, I make the same assessment with most things. As you point
out, driving a car is riskier than going hunting. Most of the time the
benefits of getting places in a car outweighs the risk. The other day
my kid wanted to go to the mall when it was icy out. I said no. The
risks of driving in that [censored] outweighed the benefits.

Dally

WillBrink said:

("first fatal
hunting accident in western Massachusetts in more than a decade"

This downplays the hundreds of NEAR DEATHS that occur yearly.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fish!~ of Arcdia said:

WillBrink said:

("first fatal
hunting accident in western Massachusetts in more than a decade"

This downplays the hundreds of NEAR DEATHS that occur yearly.

No it does not. Learn a little about stats and risk before running your
pie hole.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I did, and it's really sad. It was either a total freak accident and or
it was due to just poor gun safety handling. I have not seen any
solid info either way to pass judgment on this man who just lost a son
in front of his very eyes. Regardless, this type of thing is a very rare
occurrence compared to the number of hunters out there ("first fatal
hunting accident in western Massachusetts in more than a decade"😉 and
their risk of death is FAR higher driving to and from the hunting site.

I agree with your assessment of relative risks, and I agree that it is
terribly sad - truly tragic -, but I don't have any particular problem
blaming the guy.

Give me a "total freak accident" scenario in which it's reasonable to
have a gun pointing at your kid's back, have the safety off, and have
something tugging at the trigger.

But we really don't know any of that from that article do we? It seems
most likely it went more or less as you think, but I need more info
before blaming the guy off hand. Chances are, it was an accident caused
by not following all the safety rules agreed, and that sucks.

Quoted message said:

My memory of watching the guys walking with shotguns is they're broken
open (insert fancy term) and the barrel is pointing at the ground and
they walk side by side.

Only if it's a double barrel shot gun yes, but most dont hunt with them
anymore.

Quoted message said:

I do have pity for him - I have to, I'm a Bleeding Heart Liberal and
it's the law. It's not right that the punishment for mishandling a gun
is that your kid dies.

The punishment for mishandling many things in life is death or injury.

Quoted message said:

But that goes back exactly to why I don't have
guns in the house with my kids. The small particle of possible risk
outweighs any probably gain in my opinion.

The stats do not support that view as far as we know, as pointed out to
you many times, but you are also the person worried your husband might
get drunk and shoot you, so in your case...

Quoted message said:

By the way, I make the same assessment with most things. As you point
out, driving a car is riskier than going hunting.

By far, as is getting into a swimming pool, riding a bike, etc.

Quoted message said:

Most of the time the
benefits of getting places in a car outweighs the risk. The other day
my kid wanted to go to the mall when it was icy out. I said no. The
risks of driving in that [censored] outweighed the benefits.

True enough, and the reason I don't own a motor cycle is to me, the
risks clearly outweigh the benefits.

Quoted message said:

Dally

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

John Hanson <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had a bit the same reaction. But we need something sturdy that locks for
storage here, too.

Don't store a firearm in a case.

You mean because the whole case can be stolen, right?

Just want to be sure there's not something else there that I don't know.

Rust.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fish!~ of Arcdia said:

WillBrink said:

("first fatal
hunting accident in western Massachusetts in more than a decade"

This downplays the hundreds of NEAR DEATHS that occur yearly.

No it does not. Learn a little about stats and risk before running your
pie hole.

That's a well thought out and considered response Brinksy! ;o)

WillBrink said:

No it does not. Learn a little about stats and risk before running your
pie hole.

I can see you're the type of idiot who thinks it's "ok" if they only
get a leg or arm blown off.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fish!~ of Arcdia said:

WillBrink said:

No it does not. Learn a little about stats and risk before running your
pie hole.

I can see you're the type of idiot who thinks it's "ok" if they only
get a leg or arm blown off.

What part of "Learn a little about stats and risk before running your
pie hole" didn't you understand son?

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

JRH said:

That's a well thought out and considered response Brinksy! ;o)

Agreed. Well thought out questions get well thought out answers. Stupid
comments made in ignorance of the topic get's the proper response, ergo,
"Learn a little about stats and risk before running your
pie hole."

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JRH said:

That's a well thought out and considered response Brinksy! ;o)

Agreed. Well thought out questions get well thought out answers. Stupid
comments made in ignorance of the topic get's the proper response, ergo,
"Learn a little about stats and risk before running your
pie hole."

I think your message may have merit but your delivery lacks the social
niceties of courteous discourse. This can but encourage hostile
response and dilute the essence of your message.

"JRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JRH said:

That's a well thought out and considered response Brinksy! ;o)

Agreed. Well thought out questions get well thought out answers. Stupid
comments made in ignorance of the topic get's the proper response, ergo,
"Learn a little about stats and risk before running your
pie hole."

I think your message may have merit but your delivery lacks the social
niceties of courteous discourse. This can but encourage hostile
response and dilute the essence of your message.

What is the "essence" of your message Chucky??

Ignorance is bliss??

But all kinds of morons worship courtesy. It is a subsitute for any kind of
real motivation, knowledge or expertise.

Besides, this is usenet. If the individual was really interested in
knowledge, they would be willing to put up with whatever to get it.
Sometimes it takes considerable amount of time and effort to learn.

But, on the other hand, if they were obsessed with manners, they would go to
a tight ass brit troll like yourself Chucky.

I would rather listen to anything out of Brink's mouth that your nice
[censored] Chucky. Even though I don't always agree with Will, he is the real
deal. Not a stuffed shirt imposter like yourself Chucky.

And, by the way, this is your cue to change your e-mail addy ten more times
today Chucky.

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Fish!~ of Arcdia <[email hidden]> sputtered nonsense:

<snipped>

Quoted message said:

What part of "Learn a little about stats and risk before running your
pie hole" didn't you understand son?

Will, Bill Rodgers is morphing his names to ones of people you might
recognize. Look at headers or check the email address or just note the
idiocy of the post and recognize the troll... then don't feed the trolls!

Dally