OT: Gun question

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:22:06 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said it
had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to be
openable?

Last time I carried "internally", but it felt so good I kept spurting.

Hugh

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OT: really?

are you sure?

Do you know where you are posting?

Ryan

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OT: really?

are you sure?

Do you know where you are posting?

Ryan

Hugh Beyer said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given a
shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

A shotgun? Why?

Quoted message said:

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said it
had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to be
openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin', NRA-card-
carryin' nuts use?

Can you mail it?

Quoted message said:

And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or something--
we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a cheese grater, but
what else does one do with it?

Annoy the racoons trying to get into your garbage, drive off the gopher
that is rooting up your garden, scare off the crows eating your seeds,
force your pregnant teen-aged daughter's boyfriend to marry her...
that's about all I can think of.

So I'm back to wonder, why? I mean, a rototiller is a handy thing to
have, too, if you happen to be laying in a garden. But does your son
need one of those, too?

Quoted message said:

If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target shooting.
But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?

Leave it with Grandpa and let the boy play with it there when he visits
the farm. I think of a shotgun as more of a tool than weapon, and about
as useful in town as a burn barrel would be. (We used to burn all our
garbage - a cinder from that brought down our 100-year-old barn when it
flew into the haymow. Just because we DID it doesn't mean it was
bright.) Can you imagine what the neighbors would do if you discharged
the shotgun to drive off the skunk getting in your garbage?

And have you looked into what the permitting process is going to be like
at home? I tried to get some mace for my solo runs in the woods and it
was going to cost $100 to START the process to be allowed to carry mace.
I shudder to think what a .22 will entail.

By the way, why did you label this thread OT?

Dally

Hugh Beyer said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given a
shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

A shotgun? Why?

Quoted message said:

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said it
had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to be
openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin', NRA-card-
carryin' nuts use?

Can you mail it?

Quoted message said:

And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or something--
we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a cheese grater, but
what else does one do with it?

Annoy the racoons trying to get into your garbage, drive off the gopher
that is rooting up your garden, scare off the crows eating your seeds,
force your pregnant teen-aged daughter's boyfriend to marry her...
that's about all I can think of.

So I'm back to wonder, why? I mean, a rototiller is a handy thing to
have, too, if you happen to be laying in a garden. But does your son
need one of those, too?

Quoted message said:

If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target shooting.
But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?

Leave it with Grandpa and let the boy play with it there when he visits
the farm. I think of a shotgun as more of a tool than weapon, and about
as useful in town as a burn barrel would be. (We used to burn all our
garbage - a cinder from that brought down our 100-year-old barn when it
flew into the haymow. Just because we DID it doesn't mean it was
bright.) Can you imagine what the neighbors would do if you discharged
the shotgun to drive off the skunk getting in your garbage?

And have you looked into what the permitting process is going to be like
at home? I tried to get some mace for my solo runs in the woods and it
was going to cost $100 to START the process to be allowed to carry mace.
I shudder to think what a .22 will entail.

By the way, why did you label this thread OT?

Dally

Dally said:

But does your son
need one of those, too?

No, but he does need a shotgun. With a dad like me, it's only a matter
of time before he blows his head off.

Hugh

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Dally said:

But does your son
need one of those, too?

No, but he does need a shotgun. With a dad like me, it's only a matter
of time before he blows his head off.

Hugh

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Where in new england are you? If you are in massachusetts like me than
you need to get a license just to merely posess a rifle or shotgun.
Being caught without a license, even if it is in a closet or safe in
your home is a mandatory 1 year prison sentence.
And, yes, you may ship this to yourself.
Refer to here: http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b10
I did this myself recently. I shipped a ruger 10/22 rifle from
here(mass) to a friends house in NC. I shipped it UPS ground.
As for what to do with it, look up "plinking" 🙂
If you dont have access to enough land to safely fire it then join a
local gun club. Take advnatage of whatever classes and facilities they
may have. Who knows, maybe your son can get a rifle team scholarship to
college!

Hugh Beyer said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given a
shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said it
had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to be
openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin', NRA-card-
carryin' nuts use?

And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or something--
we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a cheese grater, but
what else does one do with it? (Yeah, I know. Shoot birds. Ugh, yuck. I have
a spaniel who would love it if we took up bird shooting, actually, she's
smart, a great swimmer, loves retreiving, and has an amazing soft mouth--I
know the last because she grabbed one of our chickens and headed for the
woods with it. I yelled at her from across the field to drop it and she did
(she's a *good* dog) and it flapped off, unhurt. I mean what can you do
*besides* shoot birds.)

If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target shooting.
But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?

Hugh

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given
a shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

A shotgun? Why?

Maybe Grandpa fondly remembers what is was like to be an 1) American 2) male
3) with testicles?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said
it had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to
be openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin',
NRA-card-
carryin' nuts use?

In Massechusetts, you have to apply for a license, pay $10,000 fee, put your
first born up as security, and wait three years for your Government's
approval. Unless you're the Senator posing like a hunter, in which case, you
get the Expedited Democratic Hypocracy Exception.

Call your local gun shop...there must be one in the state...and ask them.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or
something--
we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a cheese grater,
but what else does one do with it?

Annoy the racoons trying to get into your garbage, drive off the gopher
that is rooting up your garden, scare off the crows eating your seeds,
force your pregnant teen-aged daughter's boyfriend to marry her... that's
about all I can think of.

So I'm back to wonder, why? I mean, a rototiller is a handy thing to
have, too, if you happen to be laying in a garden. But does your son need
one of those, too?

Can I get an autographed copy of your next book, "How To Raise Effeminate
Gay Male Children In Five Easy Steps"?

David

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:43:49 -0500, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

No, but he does need a shotgun. With a dad like me, it's only a matter
of time before he blows his head off.

Hugh

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TheGist said:

Where in new england are you? If you are in massachusetts like me than
you need to get a license just to merely posess a rifle or shotgun.
Being caught without a license, even if it is in a closet or safe in
your home is a mandatory 1 year prison sentence.
And, yes, you may ship this to yourself.
Refer to here: http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b10
I did this myself recently. I shipped a ruger 10/22 rifle from
here(mass) to a friends house in NC. I shipped it UPS ground.
As for what to do with it, look up "plinking" 🙂
If you dont have access to enough land to safely fire it then join a
local gun club. Take advnatage of whatever classes and facilities they
may have. Who knows, maybe your son can get a rifle team scholarship to
college!

Thanks Gist, but with the amount of warrants in my name, breaking one
or two more laws doesn't matter much.

Hugh

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David Cohen said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given
a shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

A shotgun? Why?

Maybe Grandpa fondly remembers what is was like to be an 1) American 2) male
3) with testicles?

He needs a shotgun for that? A rifle won't do? Nor a handgun?

I'm thinking a shotgun has all the PIA elements of gun-owning without
many of the benefits.

Quoted message said:

Can I get an autographed copy of your next book, "How To Raise Effeminate
Gay Male Children In Five Easy Steps"?

You can not only get a copy, I'll dedicate it to you in the forward
since you represent who I'd be writing it for.

Dally

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:22:06 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given a
shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

Excellent!

Quoted message said:

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said it
had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to be
openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin', NRA-card-
carryin' nuts use?

I'd ship it to yourself.

Quoted message said:

And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or something--
we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a cheese grater, but
what else does one do with it? (Yeah, I know. Shoot birds. Ugh, yuck. I have
a spaniel who would love it if we took up bird shooting, actually, she's
smart, a great swimmer, loves retreiving, and has an amazing soft mouth--I
know the last because she grabbed one of our chickens and headed for the
woods with it. I yelled at her from across the field to drop it and she did
(she's a *good* dog) and it flapped off, unhurt. I mean what can you do
*besides* shoot birds.)

A .22 is NOT a shotgun and you don't bird hunt with a .22. You bird
hunt with a shotgun. Do you dog a favor and purchase a shotgun and go
hunting with her. Get a 12 gauge for yourself and a 20 for your son
unless he's nearly full grown.

Quoted message said:

If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target shooting.
But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?

No, that's all shotgun work. You can hunt just about every North
American big game animal with a shotgun as long as it is at fairly
close range.

Rifles, OTOH, are far more activity specific, depending on calibers,
so you need to own far more of them than you do shotguns,

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:47:30 -0500, Dally <[email hidden]> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer wrote:

>So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given
>a shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

A shotgun? Why?

Maybe Grandpa fondly remembers what is was like to be an 1) American 2) male
3) with testicles?

He needs a shotgun for that? A rifle won't do? Nor a handgun?

A .22 is a rifle caliber...and handgun, but it is not a shotgun
"caliber".

Quoted message said:

I'm thinking a shotgun has all the PIA elements of gun-owning without
many of the benefits.

A first gun should always be a shotgun, IMO. It's the most versatile
firearm.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Can I get an autographed copy of your next book, "How To Raise Effeminate
Gay Male Children In Five Easy Steps"?

You can not only get a copy, I'll dedicate it to you in the forward
since you represent who I'd be writing it for.

Dally

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given a
shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said it
had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to be
openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin', NRA-card-
carryin' nuts use?

And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or something--
we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a cheese grater, but
what else does one do with it? (Yeah, I know. Shoot birds. Ugh, yuck. I have
a spaniel who would love it if we took up bird shooting, actually, she's
smart, a great swimmer, loves retreiving, and has an amazing soft mouth--I
know the last because she grabbed one of our chickens and headed for the
woods with it. I yelled at her from across the field to drop it and she did
(she's a *good* dog) and it flapped off, unhurt. I mean what can you do
*besides* shoot birds.)

If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target shooting.
But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?

Hugh

Many people shoot skeet with shotguns.......
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

John Hanson said:

Do you dog

What a jeenius!

Hugh

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Many people shoot skeet with shotguns.......

Just make sure they are legal size, and it's Skeet season.

Hugh

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John Hanson <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:22:06 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given
a shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

Excellent!

Quoted message said:

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said
it had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to
be openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin',
NRA-card- carryin' nuts use?

I'd ship it to yourself.

Quoted message said:

And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or
something-- we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a
cheese grater, but what else does one do with it? (Yeah, I know. Shoot
birds. Ugh, yuck. I have a spaniel who would love it if we took up bird
shooting, actually, she's smart, a great swimmer, loves retreiving, and
has an amazing soft mouth--I know the last because she grabbed one of
our chickens and headed for the woods with it. I yelled at her from
across the field to drop it and she did (she's a *good* dog) and it
flapped off, unhurt. I mean what can you do *besides* shoot birds.)

A .22 is NOT a shotgun and you don't bird hunt with a .22. You bird
hunt with a shotgun. Do you dog a favor and purchase a shotgun and go
hunting with her. Get a 12 gauge for yourself and a 20 for your son
unless he's nearly full grown.

Well I could have asked my paw-in-law which of those numbers it was that
applies, but I knew I could get it from you guys. It's not a .22, it's a
20-guage. We took it out to his pasture along with a 12 guage that he
(paw-in-law) liberated from Darmstadt in the war. I don't know much about
guns but it's a beautiful piece of machinery. That was birdshot we were
using in both guns--I know because of the pretty pictures of Our Feathered
Friends on the boxes. God, I'm pathetic.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target
shooting. But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?

No, that's all shotgun work. You can hunt just about every North
American big game animal with a shotgun as long as it is at fairly
close range.

Yeah, you shoot skeet with a shotgun? Cool. And target shooting? What do
you get besides a million holes in a sheet of paper? There's a skeet range
not far from me. There's also a scary gun store with cars on blocks in the
side yard and a "God Bless George Bush" sign out front. They have a
shooting range out back and will rent you (can't buy it or take it off the
property) a full machine gun to practice with. And I have aquaintances who
can set us up with gun safety, local clubs, etc.

For Dally: I'm in NH, not MA, so I think that means I can own anything up
to a howitzer and blow away anybody who comes around asking questions, but
I'll ask the local police chief, who's in our church, and make sure.

As for why I accepted the gift, my wife and I did have to have a
conversation or two about that. But we don't have a philosophical
objection to guns or hunting, and the kid thinks it's cool, and knowing
how to handle a gun is like knowing how to play a musical instrument, or
bridge, or tennis, or make dinner, or change a tire--something any
functioning adult ought to be able to do.

And anything that goes BANG and makes holes in things is fun in its own
right, of course.

Hugh

--
Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
chocolate. ("Ladi"😉

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:43:47 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

John Hanson <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:22:06 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

So, as a happy New England bleeding heart liberal, my son has been given
a shotgun by his cracker granpaw.

Excellent!

Quoted message said:

So... two questions. One, how do I get the sucker home? The airline said
it had to be in a locked container, but doesn't checked baggage have to
be openable? What kind of container do you dog-lovin', gun-totin',
NRA-card- carryin' nuts use?

I'd ship it to yourself.

Quoted message said:

And, more basic: What does one do with such a gun? It's a .22 or
something-- we took it out back and happily turned a coke can into a
cheese grater, but what else does one do with it? (Yeah, I know. Shoot
birds. Ugh, yuck. I have a spaniel who would love it if we took up bird
shooting, actually, she's smart, a great swimmer, loves retreiving, and
has an amazing soft mouth--I know the last because she grabbed one of
our chickens and headed for the woods with it. I yelled at her from
across the field to drop it and she did (she's a *good* dog) and it
flapped off, unhurt. I mean what can you do *besides* shoot birds.)

A .22 is NOT a shotgun and you don't bird hunt with a .22. You bird
hunt with a shotgun. Do you dog a favor and purchase a shotgun and go
hunting with her. Get a 12 gauge for yourself and a 20 for your son
unless he's nearly full grown.

Well I could have asked my paw-in-law which of those numbers it was that
applies, but I knew I could get it from you guys. It's not a .22, it's a
20-guage. We took it out to his pasture along with a 12 guage that he
(paw-in-law) liberated from Darmstadt in the war. I don't know much about
guns but it's a beautiful piece of machinery. That was birdshot we were
using in both guns--I know because of the pretty pictures of Our Feathered
Friends on the boxes. God, I'm pathetic.

I had a sneaking suspicion it was a 20 gauge.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If I were choosing a gun to own, I'd do skeet shooting or target
shooting. But that's all rifle work. What does one do with a shotgun?

No, that's all shotgun work. You can hunt just about every North
American big game animal with a shotgun as long as it is at fairly
close range.

Yeah, you shoot skeet with a shotgun? Cool. And target shooting? What do
you get besides a million holes in a sheet of paper? There's a skeet range
not far from me. There's also a scary gun store with cars on blocks in the
side yard and a "God Bless George Bush" sign out front. They have a
shooting range out back and will rent you (can't buy it or take it off the
property) a full machine gun to practice with. And I have aquaintances who
can set us up with gun safety, local clubs, etc.

You can shoot rifled and sabot slugs with a shotgun and I guess you
could use that for target shooting. You might end up with a really
nice bruise in the process though. A 12 gauge slug is really a .75
caliber bullet and those 3" magnums kick like a mule.

You're magnum waterfowl loads kick nearly as much ( 3" and 3 1/2"
magnum shotshells in T, F, BBB, BB, 1, 2, 3, 4 shot steel, bismuth,
tungsten-iron) with your turkey and pheasant loads being far more
pleasant to shoot. Your dove and trap loads (2 3/4" 7.5 and 8 shot)
being downright comfortable.

The machine gun shooting is usually pretty expensive but would be a
great deal of fun and well worth it. Definitely look into taking some
gun safety training and familiarize yourself with all aspects or any
particular firearm you shoot and its ammunition.

Good Hunting!