Please help!

::: Okay here's my situation. About three years ago I went on Atkins,
::: and after 7-10 days I developed this horrific pain in my stomach
::: that was so bad I had to go to the hospital. They ran tests but
::: couldn't find anything wrong. I quit the diet and the pain went
::: away. About six months later I tried Atkins again, and once again
::: the pain came back. This time I knew it had to be the diet. I went
::: to my doctor and asked him for pain medicine and quit the diet.
::: The pain went away. This past February my wife and I went on
::: Atkins together. This time I did not experience pain, but she did.
::: It was horrible, and she had to go to the hospital. They ran a
::: whole bunch of tests but found nothing. She quit the diet, and the
::: pain went away. Recently I was diagnosed with diabetes and decided
::: to follow a low-carb but not necessarily Atkins-type diet. I
::: didn't do any two-week indroduction period and started the diet
::: tkaing in 75-100g of carbs per day. I have been steadily losing
::: about three pounds per week. My wife also started dieting. Her
::: carb intake was greatly diminished and was comparable to mine, give
::: or take about 20g of carbs. Yesterday she started experiencing
::: those stomach pains, and she wanted to go back to the hospital. I
::: think it's a waste of time and money because I know it's the diet.
::: Has anyone else ever experienced anything like this, and can anyone
::: explain why someone on a low-carb diet might experience this pain?

Constipation. Bad meat? Who knows?

Frankly, your story sounds a bit hard to believe. After hearing your story
of severe pain after several attempts and seeing how you believed the reason
to be Atkins, I find it hard to believe you resumed this diet, let alone
bringing your SO into it.

Jeri said:

Palmer said:

For me and for my wife the first time
she tried it, it was always straight protein and maybe some cool whip.

Wait a minute........are you saying you're eating nothing but protein and a
little coolwhip??

And he claims to be on "Atkins" and denies being a troll.
Right. Troll or not he's absolutely not on Atkins.

Palmer, Atkins is something specific and what you've described
isn't it. Go ahead and low carb all you like, but please if you are
going to claim you're "on Atkins" actually BE on Atkins. Get
the book and follow the directions. Or just claim you're on a low
carb plan that you made up on your own. There's nothing wrong
with being on a low carb plan of your own.

So my suggestion is simple. Get the book and actually do what
the directions say to do. Really actually be on Atkins don't just
claim it without knowing what's involved. Dr A put decades of
effort into designing it, so take advantage of his efforts.

"Whenever someone tells you they went on the Atkins diet, it's a good
idea to ask them what they think about the interesting concepts shared
in Chapter 15. If they give you a puzzled look, then it's a good bet
they never read the book."
http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=4898

Palmer -- what do you think about the interesting concepts shared in
Chapter 15 of the Atkins book?

Palmer said:

Okay here's my situation. About three years ago I went on Atkins, and
after 7-10 days I developed this horrific pain in my stomach that was so
bad I had to go to the hospital. They ran tests but couldn't find
anything wrong. I quit the diet and the pain went away. About six
months later I tried Atkins again, and once again the pain came back.
This time I knew it had to be the diet. I went to my doctor and asked
him for pain medicine and quit the diet. The pain went away. This past
February my wife and I went on Atkins together. This time I did not
experience pain, but she did. It was horrible, and she had to go to the
hospital. They ran a whole bunch of tests but found nothing. She quit
the diet, and the pain went away. Recently I was diagnosed with
diabetes and decided to follow a low-carb but not necessarily
Atkins-type diet. I didn't do any two-week indroduction period and
started the diet tkaing in 75-100g of carbs per day. I have been
steadily losing about three pounds per week. My wife also started
dieting. Her carb intake was greatly diminished and was comparable to
mine, give or take about 20g of carbs. Yesterday she started
experiencing those stomach pains, and she wanted to go back to the
hospital. I think it's a waste of time and money because I know it's
the diet. Has anyone else ever experienced anything like this, and can
anyone explain why someone on a low-carb diet might experience this
pain?

--
1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
book
4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

In article <[email hidden]>, Palmer ([email hidden]) says...

Quoted message said:

Jeri said:

Palmer said:

Jeri wrote:
>
> Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:
> <snip>
>> For me and for my wife the first time
>> she tried it, it was always straight protein and maybe some cool
>> whip.
>
> Wait a minute........are you saying you're eating nothing but
> protein and a little coolwhip??

No I meant the first time we both tried it at the same time, and for
me alone those two times before I met my wife. Today I'm eating, in
addition to the meats and cheeses, low-carb bread, sugar-free candy,
low-carb pizzas, even half an ear of corn...it's all good!

No it's not all good. You should be getting most of your carbs from low carb
veggies.

Hey if I'm losing weight and my blood sugar is normal, who am I to think
I'm doing something wrong? A simple scan of google has revealed that a
minority of those in the induction phase of Atkins suffered from severe
abdominal pain, and yet this information was lost on some of you as well
as on my wife's doctor. Since ceasing the diet (but still eating
sugar-free candy with sugar alcohols in it), her pain has begun to
subside.

Perhaps if she stops the sugar alcohols completely her pain will go
AWAY, rather than just subside.

Quoted message said:

But what do I know?

That IS a question to ponder. Briefly.

Quoted message said:

I found information on the net which led
me to form a hypothesis (that because some people suffer severe
abdominal pain as a result of severe ketosis, then if my wife's pain is
the result of ketosis she should have lost a considerable amount of
weight over the last week), and then I tested the hypothesis by getting
her on the scale, which showed my hypothesis to be true. As for her
doctor, I guess his medical degree gives him the right to be wrong with
authority, since he told her the pain wasn't because of ketosis. Funny
how each time she and I went into ketosis, we both had severe abdominal
pain, and the pain always went away after we got out of ketosis.

Yes, funny, that. It sounds like you've made your wife into a rat in a
flawed science experiment with pre-determined results -- or else. Did
you take her to a vet?

--
Saffire
205/140/135-140 (aka JUST RIGHT!)
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

*** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***

Roger Zoul said:

Frankly, your story sounds a bit hard to believe.

Ya think?

--
Face your fears.
Live your dreams.

He tried, but she couldn't make it through the maze.

In news:[email hidden],
Saffire <[email hidden]> stated

| Yes, funny, that. It sounds like you've made your wife into a rat in
| a flawed science experiment with pre-determined results -- or else.
| Did you take her to a vet?

For anyone who may be interested being a Nurse in a Long Term Care setting
for over 15 years, I can tell you that most Sugar Alcohols are actually
Laxatives that used to be subscribed for our patients.
I hadn't seen anything called Malitol or Sorbitol for years until they
started making sugar free desserts.
So think whatever you want they are MADE to make you have a bowel movement
and they are very harsh. That is why we stopped using them for our oldsters.
They caused such severe stomach cramps.

"Palmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

Quoted message said:

I honestly don't think it was the sugar alcohols. The reason being is
that up until this dieting excursion I had never had any contact with
sugar alcohols when on Atkins. For me and for my wife the first time
she tried it, it was always straight protein and maybe some cool whip.
Now I am eating the sugar alcohols with no ill effect, but she isn't.

Luna said:

In article said:

Jeri said:

Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:
<snip>
> For me and for my wife the first time
> she tried it, it was always straight protein and maybe some cool whip.

Wait a minute........are you saying you're eating nothing but protein and a
little coolwhip??

No I meant the first time we both tried it at the same time, and for me
alone those two times before I met my wife. Today I'm eating, in
addition to the meats and cheeses, low-carb bread, sugar-free candy,
low-carb pizzas, even half an ear of corn...it's all good!

What about your low-carb, high fiber vegetables? Spinach, broccoli,
etc. The first times around, if you were only eating meat and cheese,
no wonder you got stomach pains. Do the low-carb junk foods you eat now
have any fiber in them? Sugar-free candy (well, cough drops the one
time I tried them, but with the same sugar alcohols) give me severe
stomach pains every time, even if I just eat one.

I eat green beans, wax beans, or broccoli each night at dinner along
with a giant salad that includes rommaine, pepper, onion, and tomato.
And the sugar alcohols have not bothered me yet, and I've been consuming
them in moderation for the last year or so.

Wayne Crannell said:

In article said:

Jeri said:

Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:
<snip>
> For me and for my wife the first time
> she tried it, it was always straight protein and maybe some cool whip.

Wait a minute........are you saying you're eating nothing but protein and a
little coolwhip??

No I meant the first time we both tried it at the same time, and for me
alone those two times before I met my wife. Today I'm eating, in
addition to the meats and cheeses, low-carb bread, sugar-free candy,
low-carb pizzas, even half an ear of corn...it's all good!

Well, if you're eating this stuff, you're not doing Atkins, so good luck
with whatever WOE you ARE doing.

I didn't say I was doing Atkins now. I'm simply low-carb.

Quoted message said:

What exactly are you eating when you supposedly do Atkins? Give us an
example of what you would eat in a day.

TC

I'm not doing Atkins. I'm simply eating less carbs and trying to
control my blood sugar, which I have done pretty successfully. My wife
was supposed to be eating lunch and breakfast but had been skipping both
and then eating a low-carb dinner with me. That might be why she went
into Ketosis. Who knows, but I told her that she needs to eat more
carbs at breakfast and lunch.

Quoted message said:

Palmer said:

Okay here's my situation. About three years ago I went on Atkins, and
after 7-10 days I developed this horrific pain in my stomach that was so
bad I had to go to the hospital. They ran tests but couldn't find
anything wrong. I quit the diet and the pain went away. About six
months later I tried Atkins again, and once again the pain came back.
This time I knew it had to be the diet. I went to my doctor and asked
him for pain medicine and quit the diet. The pain went away. This past
February my wife and I went on Atkins together. This time I did not
experience pain, but she did. It was horrible, and she had to go to the
hospital. They ran a whole bunch of tests but found nothing. She quit
the diet, and the pain went away. Recently I was diagnosed with
diabetes and decided to follow a low-carb but not necessarily
Atkins-type diet. I didn't do any two-week indroduction period and
started the diet tkaing in 75-100g of carbs per day. I have been
steadily losing about three pounds per week. My wife also started
dieting. Her carb intake was greatly diminished and was comparable to
mine, give or take about 20g of carbs. Yesterday she started
experiencing those stomach pains, and she wanted to go back to the
hospital. I think it's a waste of time and money because I know it's
the diet. Has anyone else ever experienced anything like this, and can
anyone explain why someone on a low-carb diet might experience this
pain?

Roger Zoul said:

::: Okay here's my situation. About three years ago I went on Atkins,
::: and after 7-10 days I developed this horrific pain in my stomach
::: that was so bad I had to go to the hospital. They ran tests but
::: couldn't find anything wrong. I quit the diet and the pain went
::: away. About six months later I tried Atkins again, and once again
::: the pain came back. This time I knew it had to be the diet. I went
::: to my doctor and asked him for pain medicine and quit the diet.
::: The pain went away. This past February my wife and I went on
::: Atkins together. This time I did not experience pain, but she did.
::: It was horrible, and she had to go to the hospital. They ran a
::: whole bunch of tests but found nothing. She quit the diet, and the
::: pain went away. Recently I was diagnosed with diabetes and decided
::: to follow a low-carb but not necessarily Atkins-type diet. I
::: didn't do any two-week indroduction period and started the diet
::: tkaing in 75-100g of carbs per day. I have been steadily losing
::: about three pounds per week. My wife also started dieting. Her
::: carb intake was greatly diminished and was comparable to mine, give
::: or take about 20g of carbs. Yesterday she started experiencing
::: those stomach pains, and she wanted to go back to the hospital. I
::: think it's a waste of time and money because I know it's the diet.
::: Has anyone else ever experienced anything like this, and can anyone
::: explain why someone on a low-carb diet might experience this pain?

Constipation. Bad meat? Who knows?

Frankly, your story sounds a bit hard to believe. After hearing your story
of severe pain after several attempts and seeing how you believed the reason
to be Atkins, I find it hard to believe you resumed this diet, let alone
bringing your SO into it.

Not doing Atkins. Didn't do the induction phase. Not losing a pound a
day. Eating more carbs than Atkins allows. And my wife was never
supposed to be doing Atkins but simply low carb. Didn't you guys read
where I said I was doing a low-carb but not necessarily Atkins-type
diet?

Patricia Martin Steward said:

Roger Zoul said:

Frankly, your story sounds a bit hard to believe.

Ya think?

http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/dietarytherapy/a/OnlineRegistry.htm

11 reported irritable bowel syndrome, severe abdominal pain, or cramps
(6%)

http://www.pcrm.org/health/reports/highprotein_registry.html

31 reported severe gastrointestinal problems including irritable bowel
syndrome, diverticulititis, ulcers, heart burn, vomiting, severe
abdominal pain, or cramps

http://www.changingshape.com/resources/articles/low-carb-diet.asp

Most low-carb diets cause ketosis. Some of the potential consequences
are nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, and confusion.

Gee, ya think??

Doug Freyburger said:

Jeri said:

Palmer said:

For me and for my wife the first time
she tried it, it was always straight protein and maybe some cool whip.

Wait a minute........are you saying you're eating nothing but protein and a
little coolwhip??

And he claims to be on "Atkins" and denies being a troll.
Right. Troll or not he's absolutely not on Atkins.

Palmer, Atkins is something specific and what you've described
isn't it. Go ahead and low carb all you like, but please if you are
going to claim you're "on Atkins" actually BE on Atkins.

Are you blind or something? I may have done Atkins in the past, but I
clearly stated in my message that I am not on Atkins this time. What
the hell is wrong with you? PLONK!

Get

Quoted message said:

the book and follow the directions. Or just claim you're on a low
carb plan that you made up on your own. There's nothing wrong
with being on a low carb plan of your own.

So my suggestion is simple. Get the book and actually do what
the directions say to do. Really actually be on Atkins don't just
claim it without knowing what's involved. Dr A put decades of
effort into designing it, so take advantage of his efforts.

Saffire said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Palmer ([email hidden]) says...

Quoted message said:

Jeri said:

Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Jeri wrote:
>>
>> Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> For me and for my wife the first time
>>> she tried it, it was always straight protein and maybe some cool
>>> whip.
>>
>> Wait a minute........are you saying you're eating nothing but
>> protein and a little coolwhip??
>
>
>
> No I meant the first time we both tried it at the same time, and for
> me alone those two times before I met my wife. Today I'm eating, in
> addition to the meats and cheeses, low-carb bread, sugar-free candy,
> low-carb pizzas, even half an ear of corn...it's all good!

No it's not all good. You should be getting most of your carbs from low carb
veggies.

Hey if I'm losing weight and my blood sugar is normal, who am I to think
I'm doing something wrong? A simple scan of google has revealed that a
minority of those in the induction phase of Atkins suffered from severe
abdominal pain, and yet this information was lost on some of you as well
as on my wife's doctor. Since ceasing the diet (but still eating
sugar-free candy with sugar alcohols in it), her pain has begun to
subside.

Perhaps if she stops the sugar alcohols completely her pain will go
AWAY, rather than just subside.

Quoted message said:

But what do I know?

That IS a question to ponder. Briefly.

Quoted message said:

I found information on the net which led
me to form a hypothesis (that because some people suffer severe
abdominal pain as a result of severe ketosis, then if my wife's pain is
the result of ketosis she should have lost a considerable amount of
weight over the last week), and then I tested the hypothesis by getting
her on the scale, which showed my hypothesis to be true. As for her
doctor, I guess his medical degree gives him the right to be wrong with
authority, since he told her the pain wasn't because of ketosis. Funny
how each time she and I went into ketosis, we both had severe abdominal
pain, and the pain always went away after we got out of ketosis.

Yes, funny, that. It sounds like you've made your wife into a rat in a
flawed science experiment with pre-determined results -- or else. Did
you take her to a vet?

What a bunch of idiots you people are. I asked a simple question
because I assumed you people knew what you would be talking about.
Instead most of you missed where I said that I was not on Atkins this
time around. My wife was supposed to be cutting her carb intake and was
skipping lunch and breakfast without my knowing it, leaving only a
low-carb dinner as her intake. This is the last time I will assume that
people in a group such as this know what they're talking about. From
now on I'll do my own homework, which is what I shoudl have done long
ago.

On Wed, 31 May 2006 01:19:03 GMT, Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:

|>
|> Depending on how overweight you and your spouse are a pound a day might
|> not be too outre at the outset. From your description of both you and
|> your wife's stomach pain I'd be more inclined to look for a common food
|> you both ingested. A very common culprit (which, BTW, will cause the
|> entire list of symptoms listed above attributed to Severe Ketosis) is
|> one of the sugar alcohols. Avoiding them altogether is the safest way
|> to go.
|>
|> Carmen
|
|
|
|I honestly don't think it was the sugar alcohols. The reason being is
|that up until this dieting excursion I had never had any contact with
|sugar alcohols when on Atkins. For me and for my wife the first time
|she tried it, it was always straight protein and maybe some cool whip.
|Now I am eating the sugar alcohols with no ill effect, but she i

Which plan are you following that says you should eat just "protein
and cool whip" and then add sugar alcohols? And you wonder why you
have stomach problems?

I haven't quite figured out if you're a troll -- or just another
really ignorant dieter who says "Atkins doesn't work for me!" when
you're doing something that has nothing whatsoever to do with the
Atkins -- or any other normal low-carb plan.

On Wed, 31 May 2006 09:32:29 GMT, Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:

|Jeri wrote:
|>
|> Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:
|> <snip>
|> > For me and for my wife the first time
|> > she tried it, it was always straight protein and maybe some cool whip.
|>
|> Wait a minute........are you saying you're eating nothing but protein and a
|> little coolwhip??
|
|
|
|No I meant the first time we both tried it at the same time, and for me
|alone those two times before I met my wife. Today I'm eating, in
|addition to the meats and cheeses, low-carb bread, sugar-free candy,
|low-carb pizzas, even half an ear of corn...it's all good!

You're joking, right? BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

On Wed, 31 May 2006 13:46:00 GMT, Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:

|
|Hey if I'm losing weight and my blood sugar is normal, who am I to think
|I'm doing something wrong?

DUH! You're the one who's posting here complaining of "low-carb"
causing stomach pains and some type of fictitious "severe ketosis,"
then it turns out you'r eating only frankenfoods? Then when someone
gives sound advice you just defend the [censored] you're eating?

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:47:20 GMT, Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:

|
|
|What a bunch of idiots you people are. I asked a simple question
|because I assumed you people knew what you would be talking about.

It is YOU who are the idiot. The regulars here are successful
low-carb dieters who follow safe, tried and tested plans. You come on
here as a newbie and ask a question that you don't really want an
answer to; when you get the appropriate answer you call the responders
"idiots" if it doesn't help justify the [censored] that you're eating! Why
did you post here if (a) you're not a troll and (b) if you didn't want
a legitimate answer?

You got the answers to the question you asked. There is no such thing
as "severe ketosis," that makes you sound suspiciously like either a
troll or really ignorant. And healthy low carb dieting consists of
healthy, natural foods: Plenty of non-starchy vegetables (corn is not
one of them), natural fats, and moderate protein.

You sound like a freaking alcoholic who's goes to an AA meeting and
calls everybody at the meeting idiots because they say he shouldn't
drink beer.

Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

I eat green beans, wax beans, or broccoli each night at dinner along
with a giant salad that includes rommaine, pepper, onion, and tomato.
And the sugar alcohols have not bothered me yet, and I've been
consuming
them in moderation for the last year or so.

Your story keeps changing.
Before you call anyone else an idiot you might want to go back and read your
first post. You never said anything about your wife skipping meals. That
didn't come out until about 2 hours ago.

If all you were eating at any time in your dieting excursions was meat,
cheese, and a little coolwhip you were not doing Atkins. And it's no wonder
you had severe stomach pains. Constipation will do that to you.

By the way, you may want to take any advice from sites which call Atkins a
"high protein diet" with a huge grain of salt. By posting links to sites
like that you're the one who looks like an idiot.

There's always the possibility that this is just a case of not enough
information.

When you ask a question here, you really have to be specific about the
question, about
the background behind the question, and about pertinent details.
Choose your words
wisely. As another author once told me, "Words mean something."

Palmer said:

Quoted message said:

In article said:

>
> Palmer <[email hidden]> wrote:
> <snip>
>> For me and for my wife the first time
>> she tried it, it was always straight protein and maybe some cool whip.
>
> Wait a minute........are you saying you're eating nothing but protein and a
> little coolwhip??

No I meant the first time we both tried it at the same time, and for me
alone those two times before I met my wife. Today I'm eating, in
addition to the meats and cheeses, low-carb bread, sugar-free candy,
low-carb pizzas, even half an ear of corn...it's all good!

What about your low-carb, high fiber vegetables? Spinach, broccoli,
etc. The first times around, if you were only eating meat and cheese,
no wonder you got stomach pains. Do the low-carb junk foods you eat now
have any fiber in them? Sugar-free candy (well, cough drops the one
time I tried them, but with the same sugar alcohols) give me severe
stomach pains every time, even if I just eat one.

I eat green beans, wax beans, or broccoli each night at dinner along
with a giant salad that includes rommaine, pepper, onion, and tomato.
And the sugar alcohols have not bothered me yet, and I've been consuming
them in moderation for the last year or so.