MDS wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: MDS wrote:
:::
:::::: There are a lot of people in here who really know their [censored] on
:::::: LCing, so keep that in mind. You ought to hang out here more,
:::::: MDS. The trolls are sometimes amazing and they get eating like
:::::: bait, too. Another longstanding usenet rule is to lurk a while
:::::: before posting. Good idea for noobs.
:::::
:::::
::::: I've already lurked here for about six weeks. That's usually too
::::: long for a newbie to wait before jumping it. It's fine to know
::::: one's [censored] about something, but after what I've just seen here,
::::: I'd rather ask for help over in diabetes. Of all the people here,
::::: you're the only one I have any respect for.
:::
::: I really think you should reconsider this, MDS. There are a lot of
::: good people here, you just caught them in the mist of a likely
::: troll. We protect newbies from would be trolls who seek to spread
::: misinformation about LC in general, though Atkins tends to be the
::: main target (and this is NOT an Atkins-only newsgroup).
::
::
:: Palmer wasn't a troll. We exchanged a number of e-mails yesterday
:: evening, and he didn't strike me as one. Like me, he assumed that
:: ketosis was the problem. As far as his wife was concerned, she had
:: decided to do a low-fat diet while trying to keep her carbs in the
:: same vicinity as his, but by skipping breakfast and lunch (which he
:: didn't know about until after she started feeling the pain), she
:: ended up eating what he fixed for dinner each night, and that was
:: meat, green beans or some green vegetable, and salad. After dinner
:: they ate frozen Cool Whip for dessert. What he thought about this
:: was that without meaning to, his wife was taking in 20 or so grams
:: of carbs a day and went into ketosis, which resulted in her sizeable
:: weight loss. There may have been fiber in what she was eating for
:: dinner, but there may not have been enough of it. Furthermore, he
:: has always teased her about having had gastric bypass surgery in the
:: past because she never ate more than about half of whatever she put
:: on her plate. So whatever fiber there was, I'm guessing she ate
:: even less because he said she never finished off her salads and they
:: always split one can of veggies between them. So constipation could
:: clearly have resulted, based on the things you've been telling me.
:: It was as simple as that. From what I understand, he's been getting
:: up earlier to make sure he fixes breakfast for her and then packs
:: her lunch. She had told him that it was so busy where she works
:: that she didn't feel like she had the time to just stop working and
:: eat. So she just drank diet sodas while she worked and then would
:: get off work early. It was as simple as that. None of what he said
:: struck me as things a troll was saying. Since he believes in LC and
:: had a misunderstanding about ketosis, as I did, he certainly doesn't
:: sound like a troll.
::
Well, perhaps. However, there is a why to act in a newgroup that doesn't
draw fire. I've interacted with people here a lot and they don't just jump
on people seeking help for no reason.
::
::
:::
::: The fact is, diet is very, very similar to religion. Heck, I don't
::: even talk about LC to my work friends any more, even though many of
::: them have gained incredible amounts of weight since I started LCing
::: while I have maintained my loss (142 lbs - starting in 10/01).
::: What you can take from this is that people here have a lot invested
::: in LCing....we are lifetime LCers...and have developed a lot of
::: skill in applying it in many situations! Heck, finding LC saved my
::: life, man, and I think many here would say the same, or something
::: similar. You simply won't find the skill at LCing in the diabetes
::: group that you'll find here. Many of those folks still dance around
::: the carb issue, IMO.
::
::
:: I disagree respectively. I've been doing LC for about six weeks or
:: so now, and every question I've had about it I've asked over there
:: and got answers over there.
For one thing, some of use hang out over there. For another, you've only
been at it six weeks...there is a lot of stuff to cover. You have a lot of
ground yet to cover weight wise and BG wise, even though you've made good
progress. Consider that the "landscape" changes as you go from weeks, to
months, to years.
The answers have proven satisfactory to
:: me. When I've needed a recipe for a low-carb dinner, I googled it
:: and got immediate results. I've really had no need for this group,
:: but I still lurked in case something interesting popped up. But as
:: soon as it did, it seemed like a bunch of elitist people here shot
:: first and asked questions later. What need have I of that? I also
:: don't buy into the whole religious thing.
Well, people attitudes about diet are very similar to their attitudes about
regilon. People will believe thing about diet for no good reason at all,
and well argue their point vehemanty, as will people do about what they
believe.
:: I'm a true believer in
:: homeopathic flu medicine, but I've long since stopped touting it to
:: other people.
yeah, that's what I mean...you're a believer in XX, as I'm a believer in LC,
as others are believers in religion X.
The two people who did try it didn't take it as often
:: as they were supposed to, and so it didn't work for them. As far as
:: I'm concerned, if someone doesn't want to believe that it works,
:: then I'm content to let them suffer longer with the symptoms.
That's an interesting attitude you have. So if someone doesn't believe what
you believe, you're happy to see them suffer?
I
:: have family and friends who've seen me recover from the flu in two
:: days after I started taking this medicine, and they still refused to
:: even consider it. What do I care?
That's an interesting way to express yourself. You sound very uncaring to
me. Yes, they may be believe in something as you, but why don't you yet have
compassion for them? They are your family and friends, and hence you should
*care* even if you don't hold their positions.
There will always be people
:: willing to walk through a room filled with deadly snakes rather than
:: follow someone down a dark corridor when they've seen that person
:: exit the building safely before. The same is true with LC. I know
:: it works. You know it works. The people here know it works. If
:: someone comes in and says it doesn't work, why should anyone give a
:: [censored]? Let those who don't want to believe in it suffer.
Because those of us who have improved our health via low carb wish to ensure
that others who are seeking answers will find them, as we did. It is an act
of compassion to care when you have no vested interest. Allowing the spread
of misinformation could prevent others from find what they seek. If others
didn't have compassion, you would not have received the guidence you did on
the diabetes group. And don't forget that a newsgroup is a dynamic thing,
what happens one day don't hold a strong bearing on what will happen two
weeks later. People come, people go. Trying to judge a newsgroup is folly,
IMO.
::
:: I'm sorry you had to see my bad side, but when others are willing to
:: show me theirs, I am more than willing to show them mine.
To what end? You have been very rude to people here that have not been rude
to you, but merely expressed an opinion that was different than yours.
When I
:: first started on usenet, I got involved in a newsgroup devoted to
:: one of my favorite tv shows. Within one week I got involved in a
:: flamewar with three people who were so bent out of shape over my
:: opinion on one aspect of the show that they attacked me
:: relentlessly. The flamewar lasted two months, which shows you how
:: religiously devoted to something people can be.
Hence my initial comment about diet and religion. The devotes are similar
and people react similarly.
Well it eventually
:: ended, and now the four of us are cool. So I understand where you
:: are coming from. But there's a big difference between a tv show
:: newsgroup and a health-oriented newsgroup.
Not really....
After what I've seen
:: here, I just don't feel these people can offer me anything I can't
:: find somewhere else. Why even bother to come here and pick their
:: brains when they're going to ask like this the moment someone comes
:: in they suspect isn't sincere?
That's your choice, but based on your comments, you seem to be more of a
taker than a giver. However, then it comes to cussing people out, in very
rude and vulgar language, you seem to give large.
Perhaps you should think about that...
