Real Election Reform



"skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Ed, the news said it was 58 degrees below 0 some where in Minnesota
> today. You know if I was there I would be in the first vehicle with heater
> I could find that was headed south. 58 below is to much for a human to
> endure.
>
> skip

Skip, International Falls is not called the icebox of the nation for
nothing. I am in southern Minnesota (Worthington) but it is damn cold here,
I can tell you! This old house I am living in is like an icebox too. I can
truly understand how older folks can be found dead in their houses frozen to
death. When I get my heating bill for this month I will likely have a heart
attack and that will be the end of me.

My cats are suffering along with me. I put out water for them in the kitchen
but it is always frozen solid every time I check it. They are wailing along
with me because it so g.d. cold. My cats and I are all waiting for the big
warm up when it might actually get into the 20's. God, do I ever HATE
Minnesota in the winter. Minnesota in January is the pits - and don't let
anyone ever tell you otherwise.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Skip:

I have a CZ 75B 9mm that has the Traucsch grips, because the normal ones are
too fat for my hand. (I have some sort of nerve impairment, I think,
originating in the shoulder.) That's too heavy and big to carry on the bike
so I got a Kahr P9 (also 9 mm). It's stainless with some sort of polymer
for the frame, and since it's single stack the grip is just fine for me. If
Theo Van Gogh had carried one he'd probably be alive, and those jihadists
would have had a nasty surprise.

As for the French, well I guess Lance is going for a seventh isn't he?
(Sorry about wandering off topic again.) Frankly, I wish he'd ride in the
Giro. All the major contenders would have to follow him there or be
considered also-rans in the TdF, and the Giro would become a significant
competitor to the TdF for top stage race. Well, it won't happen but it's a
thought.

--
--Scott
"skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
> <snip>
>
>> The French actually make one of the best aftermarket pistol grips for a
>> number of semi-autos. It's concave, so it fits the boney and fleshy
>> parts of the hand better, and it's thinner. But for some reason the
>> company has a German-sounding name: Trausch.
>>
>
> So which pistol did you wind up getting? And why that one if I may ask?
>
> Tonight's news has an item I overheard in passing about a family in N.J.
> that had four killed ostensibly my Muslims upset by remarks someone in the
> family had made in an internet chat room.
>
> I'm thinking maybe I should upgrade my Browning 25 cal. Baby. It's a
> better deterrent than rock throwing, but I thinking this might be the
> right time for an upgrade.
>
>> Lots of good French folk are on the right side of this thing, too, in
>> spite of their misleading press. The Van Gogh murder was something of a
>> turning point, not just for the Dutch. It'll get sorted out, or shorted
>> out.
>
> I bought a camera from the Netherlands and it came wrapped in the front
> page of a newspaper showing a full color shot of Van Gogh's body on the
> Amsterdam street. He was shot nine times, stabbed multiple times, had his
> throat slit, and a letter threaten the lives of others was attached to him
> by a knife in the chest. It wasn't a pretty sight. He had been riding
> his bike.
>
> skip
>
 
Skip:

I have a CZ 75B 9mm that has the Traucsch grips, because the normal ones are
too fat for my hand. (I have some sort of nerve impairment, I think,
originating in the shoulder.) That's too heavy and big to carry on the bike
so I got a Kahr P9 (also 9 mm). It's stainless with some sort of polymer
for the frame, and since it's single stack the grip is just fine for me. If
Theo Van Gogh had carried one he'd probably be alive, and those jihadists
would have had a nasty surprise.

As for the French, well I guess Lance is going for a seventh isn't he?
(Sorry about wandering off topic again.) Frankly, I wish he'd ride in the
Giro. All the major contenders would have to follow him there or be
considered also-rans in the TdF, and the Giro would become a significant
competitor to the TdF for top stage race. Well, it won't happen but it's a
thought.

--
--Scott
"skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
> <snip>
>
>> The French actually make one of the best aftermarket pistol grips for a
>> number of semi-autos. It's concave, so it fits the boney and fleshy
>> parts of the hand better, and it's thinner. But for some reason the
>> company has a German-sounding name: Trausch.
>>
>
> So which pistol did you wind up getting? And why that one if I may ask?
>
> Tonight's news has an item I overheard in passing about a family in N.J.
> that had four killed ostensibly my Muslims upset by remarks someone in the
> family had made in an internet chat room.
>
> I'm thinking maybe I should upgrade my Browning 25 cal. Baby. It's a
> better deterrent than rock throwing, but I thinking this might be the
> right time for an upgrade.
>
>> Lots of good French folk are on the right side of this thing, too, in
>> spite of their misleading press. The Van Gogh murder was something of a
>> turning point, not just for the Dutch. It'll get sorted out, or shorted
>> out.
>
> I bought a camera from the Netherlands and it came wrapped in the front
> page of a newspaper showing a full color shot of Van Gogh's body on the
> Amsterdam street. He was shot nine times, stabbed multiple times, had his
> throat slit, and a letter threaten the lives of others was attached to him
> by a knife in the chest. It wasn't a pretty sight. He had been riding
> his bike.
>
> skip
>
 
Skip:

I have a CZ 75B 9mm that has the Traucsch grips, because the normal ones are
too fat for my hand. (I have some sort of nerve impairment, I think,
originating in the shoulder.) That's too heavy and big to carry on the bike
so I got a Kahr P9 (also 9 mm). It's stainless with some sort of polymer
for the frame, and since it's single stack the grip is just fine for me. If
Theo Van Gogh had carried one he'd probably be alive, and those jihadists
would have had a nasty surprise.

As for the French, well I guess Lance is going for a seventh isn't he?
(Sorry about wandering off topic again.) Frankly, I wish he'd ride in the
Giro. All the major contenders would have to follow him there or be
considered also-rans in the TdF, and the Giro would become a significant
competitor to the TdF for top stage race. Well, it won't happen but it's a
thought.

--
--Scott
"skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
> <snip>
>
>> The French actually make one of the best aftermarket pistol grips for a
>> number of semi-autos. It's concave, so it fits the boney and fleshy
>> parts of the hand better, and it's thinner. But for some reason the
>> company has a German-sounding name: Trausch.
>>
>
> So which pistol did you wind up getting? And why that one if I may ask?
>
> Tonight's news has an item I overheard in passing about a family in N.J.
> that had four killed ostensibly my Muslims upset by remarks someone in the
> family had made in an internet chat room.
>
> I'm thinking maybe I should upgrade my Browning 25 cal. Baby. It's a
> better deterrent than rock throwing, but I thinking this might be the
> right time for an upgrade.
>
>> Lots of good French folk are on the right side of this thing, too, in
>> spite of their misleading press. The Van Gogh murder was something of a
>> turning point, not just for the Dutch. It'll get sorted out, or shorted
>> out.
>
> I bought a camera from the Netherlands and it came wrapped in the front
> page of a newspaper showing a full color shot of Van Gogh's body on the
> Amsterdam street. He was shot nine times, stabbed multiple times, had his
> throat slit, and a letter threaten the lives of others was attached to him
> by a knife in the chest. It wasn't a pretty sight. He had been riding
> his bike.
>
> skip
>
 
I recently got back from three weeks in Key West. (My sister lives there
now, and we went for a Christmas and New Years visit.) The temps were in
the high 60s and low 70s for awhile, and many of the locals were wearing
fleece, which was amusing since I was in T-shirt and shorts. Regulating
inside temps was a conflict because the locals like it about 77 and I get
clammy at anything much over 72, which they regard as freezing. Anyway, it
was very pleasant. The two highlights of the trip were catching a yard-long
Cobia (the whole school followed the hooked fish to the surface, which was
exciting), and touring the "Little White House" where Truman and his staff
had worked out the outlines of the Marshall Plan and the Cold War. The
shipwreck museum was pretty cool too.

I borrowed by brother-in-law's bike a number of times for a tour around the
island, but the circumference was only 10 miles. You can go from the
Atlantic to the Gulf of Mexico in about five minutes. The instant the old
dog dies Key West and Cuba will become a merged tourist destination, as they
were before Castro. Wish I had money to buy real estate.

I only saw one recumbent while I was there. I think it was a BikeE. There
just aren't that many places to go on a recumbent, and I didn't see many
road bikes either. A "beach cruiser" or MTB are much more practical
choices.

--
--Scott
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Ed, the news said it was 58 degrees below 0 some where in Minnesota
>> today. You know if I was there I would be in the first vehicle with
>> heater I could find that was headed south. 58 below is to much for a
>> human to endure.
>>
>> skip
>
> Skip, International Falls is not called the icebox of the nation for
> nothing. I am in southern Minnesota (Worthington) but it is damn cold
> here, I can tell you! This old house I am living in is like an icebox too.
> I can truly understand how older folks can be found dead in their houses
> frozen to death. When I get my heating bill for this month I will likely
> have a heart attack and that will be the end of me.
>
> My cats are suffering along with me. I put out water for them in the
> kitchen but it is always frozen solid every time I check it. They are
> wailing along with me because it so g.d. cold. My cats and I are all
> waiting for the big warm up when it might actually get into the 20's. God,
> do I ever HATE Minnesota in the winter. Minnesota in January is the pits -
> and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
>
 
I recently got back from three weeks in Key West. (My sister lives there
now, and we went for a Christmas and New Years visit.) The temps were in
the high 60s and low 70s for awhile, and many of the locals were wearing
fleece, which was amusing since I was in T-shirt and shorts. Regulating
inside temps was a conflict because the locals like it about 77 and I get
clammy at anything much over 72, which they regard as freezing. Anyway, it
was very pleasant. The two highlights of the trip were catching a yard-long
Cobia (the whole school followed the hooked fish to the surface, which was
exciting), and touring the "Little White House" where Truman and his staff
had worked out the outlines of the Marshall Plan and the Cold War. The
shipwreck museum was pretty cool too.

I borrowed by brother-in-law's bike a number of times for a tour around the
island, but the circumference was only 10 miles. You can go from the
Atlantic to the Gulf of Mexico in about five minutes. The instant the old
dog dies Key West and Cuba will become a merged tourist destination, as they
were before Castro. Wish I had money to buy real estate.

I only saw one recumbent while I was there. I think it was a BikeE. There
just aren't that many places to go on a recumbent, and I didn't see many
road bikes either. A "beach cruiser" or MTB are much more practical
choices.

--
--Scott
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Ed, the news said it was 58 degrees below 0 some where in Minnesota
>> today. You know if I was there I would be in the first vehicle with
>> heater I could find that was headed south. 58 below is to much for a
>> human to endure.
>>
>> skip
>
> Skip, International Falls is not called the icebox of the nation for
> nothing. I am in southern Minnesota (Worthington) but it is damn cold
> here, I can tell you! This old house I am living in is like an icebox too.
> I can truly understand how older folks can be found dead in their houses
> frozen to death. When I get my heating bill for this month I will likely
> have a heart attack and that will be the end of me.
>
> My cats are suffering along with me. I put out water for them in the
> kitchen but it is always frozen solid every time I check it. They are
> wailing along with me because it so g.d. cold. My cats and I are all
> waiting for the big warm up when it might actually get into the 20's. God,
> do I ever HATE Minnesota in the winter. Minnesota in January is the pits -
> and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
>
 
I recently got back from three weeks in Key West. (My sister lives there
now, and we went for a Christmas and New Years visit.) The temps were in
the high 60s and low 70s for awhile, and many of the locals were wearing
fleece, which was amusing since I was in T-shirt and shorts. Regulating
inside temps was a conflict because the locals like it about 77 and I get
clammy at anything much over 72, which they regard as freezing. Anyway, it
was very pleasant. The two highlights of the trip were catching a yard-long
Cobia (the whole school followed the hooked fish to the surface, which was
exciting), and touring the "Little White House" where Truman and his staff
had worked out the outlines of the Marshall Plan and the Cold War. The
shipwreck museum was pretty cool too.

I borrowed by brother-in-law's bike a number of times for a tour around the
island, but the circumference was only 10 miles. You can go from the
Atlantic to the Gulf of Mexico in about five minutes. The instant the old
dog dies Key West and Cuba will become a merged tourist destination, as they
were before Castro. Wish I had money to buy real estate.

I only saw one recumbent while I was there. I think it was a BikeE. There
just aren't that many places to go on a recumbent, and I didn't see many
road bikes either. A "beach cruiser" or MTB are much more practical
choices.

--
--Scott
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Ed, the news said it was 58 degrees below 0 some where in Minnesota
>> today. You know if I was there I would be in the first vehicle with
>> heater I could find that was headed south. 58 below is to much for a
>> human to endure.
>>
>> skip
>
> Skip, International Falls is not called the icebox of the nation for
> nothing. I am in southern Minnesota (Worthington) but it is damn cold
> here, I can tell you! This old house I am living in is like an icebox too.
> I can truly understand how older folks can be found dead in their houses
> frozen to death. When I get my heating bill for this month I will likely
> have a heart attack and that will be the end of me.
>
> My cats are suffering along with me. I put out water for them in the
> kitchen but it is always frozen solid every time I check it. They are
> wailing along with me because it so g.d. cold. My cats and I are all
> waiting for the big warm up when it might actually get into the 20's. God,
> do I ever HATE Minnesota in the winter. Minnesota in January is the pits -
> and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
>
 
"Tell us again, please. Where is Osama and why? If Saddam was so
connected to terrorism, why did it get worse upon our entering Iraq?"

World War II got "worse" after we entered it too. And had not Winnie fought
back in the Battle of Brittain I'm sure the Nazis would have been just
peachy. What sort of argument is that? Did the bullies always have their
way with you in grade school? After all fighting back would always make
things "worse" right?

There'll be an election on Jan. 31, 2005, the third free election in the
Islamic world since the US started making things "worse," and the only free
elections in the Islamic world in a century. Not only are the "insurgents"
(read anti-Iraqi forces) losing, but you're losing the argument. Which
ought to secretly gratify you, as the Devil's advocate in this "debate."
You'll win, by losing... unlike the "insurgents" who will simply lose.

Anyway, ridden any good highracers lately?

By the way, Osama is almost certainly in Iran. I have that on pretty good
authority, from a friend at the Manhattan Institute.

--
--Scott
"Frank P. Patterson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Rocketman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:5a1Fd.1709$yY6.171@attbi_s02...
>>
>>>Absolutely! The fact that the US doesn't have *any* secure balloting
>>>systems proves that our voting system is corrupt. It's not a matter of
>>>*if* the vote will be corrupted, but *when* and *by whom*. You can take
>>>that to mean "real democracy is dead." If the vote can be stolen, you
>>>might as well let a corrupt dictatorial junta take power by judicial coup
>>>and steal two consecutive elections. Oh yeah...that has already
>>>happened.
>>>
>>>Our voting systems are *designed* to be corrupted by any unscrupulous
>>>person who wishes to do so, with little or no recourse offered. Poll
>>>workers have always been at liberty to toss out ballots they didn't want
>>>to count, calling them "spoiled." Electronic machines have no security
>>>whatsoever, as has been proven repeatedly. A chimpanzee was able to
>>>sucessfully hack a Diebold voting machine. That's how bad it is.
>>>
>>>Rocketman
>>>
>>>"D Flint" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>What do you think about this and have you seen this popular site before?
>>>>
>>>>This was taken from a web site
>>>>http://www.afvr.org
>>>>
>>>>How can we safeguard the integrity of each vote?
>>>>Today we have technology that protects our financial systems, military
>>>>weapon systems and national intelligent organizations. These proven
>>>>systems
>>>>can be combined in a way to issue serialized equipment to authorize
>>>>personnel for the dates and hours needed. Each would have their own
>>>>level of
>>>>clearance to perform the tasks they are responsible for. Each action
>>>>would
>>>>be recorded and verified with a higher levels of network authority and
>>>>again, only available during the hours and dates needed. Ballots would
>>>>only
>>>>be printed after the voter has cast their vote but before they leave the
>>>>booth. If the voter made a mistake he could put the printed ballot into
>>>>the
>>>>booth's scanner for correction. All ballots scanned at the booth would
>>>>go
>>>>into a shredder and the voter could then correct his ballot on the
>>>>screen
>>>>and reprint his ballots. Once the voter accepts the printed ballot he
>>>>submits his vote on the screen and takes the two ballots to the
>>>>depository.
>>>>So two computer generated, serialized and scanner perfect receipts of
>>>>the
>>>>completed ballot are printed.* One for the voter and one for the public
>>>>record. This would eliminate all the extra ballots that could be used
>>>>for
>>>>unauthorized voting as well as any question of voter intent. Each piece
>>>>of
>>>>equipment involved in the issuing of the receipt would be linked to the
>>>>serial# of that ballot and an electronic document would be generated
>>>>that
>>>>exactly matched the two printed receipts. So the voter themselves has
>>>>validate the printed ballots, keeping one for themselves, while the
>>>>other
>>>>electronic time-stamped document is deposited into an optical scanner
>>>>used
>>>>as a secure depository. This second scanned count which should always
>>>>match
>>>>the electronic count. This paper ballot could also be used for recounts
>>>>if
>>>>needed. The voter could use the receipt to inquire about their vote in
>>>>the
>>>>future. The stuffing of the ballot box or "finding ballots" would be
>>>>eliminated. With this system, if you find a ballot, you have to find
>>>>the
>>>>voter that cast that ballot too. This is not so in any of the current
>>>>systems in place today nor have we ever heard such a system ever
>>>>proposed.
>>>> http://www.afvr.org
>>
>>
>> All of the above was posted no doubt for the delectation of Mr. Tom
>> Sherman who continues to believe that elections are stolen in this
>> country. Without getting into the nuts and bolts of this post, let me say
>> that those who cannot figure out how to vote correctly are too stupid to
>> be voting in the first place. Unfortunately for liberals like Mr. Sherman
>> and Rocketman most of these type voters just happen to be Democrats. Too
>> bad for them, but that is what comes of being ignorant and stupid. Why
>> should the rest of us bend over backwards to accommodate the most stupid
>> among us.
>>
>> Frankly, I am relieved whenever I hear that almost 50% of the electorate
>> does not vote. Thank God for that! The only folks I want voting are those
>> who have bothered to inform themselves on the issues and have at least
>> enough brains to figure out how to cast a vote correctly.
>>
> Tell us again, please. Where is Osama and why? If Saddam was so connected
> to terrorism, why did it get worse upon our entering Iraq?
 
Oops, Jan. 30, 2005 I meant. I had that date in my head, but my fingers
typed something else.

--
--Scott
"Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Tell us again, please. Where is Osama and why? If Saddam was so
> connected to terrorism, why did it get worse upon our entering Iraq?"
>
> World War II got "worse" after we entered it too. And had not Winnie
> fought back in the Battle of Brittain I'm sure the Nazis would have been
> just peachy. What sort of argument is that? Did the bullies always have
> their way with you in grade school? After all fighting back would always
> make things "worse" right?
>
> There'll be an election on Jan. 31, 2005, the third free election in the
> Islamic world since the US started making things "worse," and the only
> free elections in the Islamic world in a century. Not only are the
> "insurgents" (read anti-Iraqi forces) losing, but you're losing the
> argument. Which ought to secretly gratify you, as the Devil's advocate in
> this "debate." You'll win, by losing... unlike the "insurgents" who will
> simply lose.
>
> Anyway, ridden any good highracers lately?
>
> By the way, Osama is almost certainly in Iran. I have that on pretty good
> authority, from a friend at the Manhattan Institute.
>
> --
> --Scott
> "Frank P. Patterson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Rocketman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:5a1Fd.1709$yY6.171@attbi_s02...
>>>
>>>>Absolutely! The fact that the US doesn't have *any* secure balloting
>>>>systems proves that our voting system is corrupt. It's not a matter of
>>>>*if* the vote will be corrupted, but *when* and *by whom*. You can take
>>>>that to mean "real democracy is dead." If the vote can be stolen, you
>>>>might as well let a corrupt dictatorial junta take power by judicial
>>>>coup and steal two consecutive elections. Oh yeah...that has already
>>>>happened.
>>>>
>>>>Our voting systems are *designed* to be corrupted by any unscrupulous
>>>>person who wishes to do so, with little or no recourse offered. Poll
>>>>workers have always been at liberty to toss out ballots they didn't want
>>>>to count, calling them "spoiled." Electronic machines have no security
>>>>whatsoever, as has been proven repeatedly. A chimpanzee was able to
>>>>sucessfully hack a Diebold voting machine. That's how bad it is.
>>>>
>>>>Rocketman
>>>>
>>>>"D Flint" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>>What do you think about this and have you seen this popular site
>>>>>before?
>>>>>
>>>>>This was taken from a web site
>>>>>http://www.afvr.org
>>>>>
>>>>>How can we safeguard the integrity of each vote?
>>>>>Today we have technology that protects our financial systems, military
>>>>>weapon systems and national intelligent organizations. These proven
>>>>>systems
>>>>>can be combined in a way to issue serialized equipment to authorize
>>>>>personnel for the dates and hours needed. Each would have their own
>>>>>level of
>>>>>clearance to perform the tasks they are responsible for. Each action
>>>>>would
>>>>>be recorded and verified with a higher levels of network authority and
>>>>>again, only available during the hours and dates needed. Ballots would
>>>>>only
>>>>>be printed after the voter has cast their vote but before they leave
>>>>>the
>>>>>booth. If the voter made a mistake he could put the printed ballot into
>>>>>the
>>>>>booth's scanner for correction. All ballots scanned at the booth would
>>>>>go
>>>>>into a shredder and the voter could then correct his ballot on the
>>>>>screen
>>>>>and reprint his ballots. Once the voter accepts the printed ballot he
>>>>>submits his vote on the screen and takes the two ballots to the
>>>>>depository.
>>>>>So two computer generated, serialized and scanner perfect receipts of
>>>>>the
>>>>>completed ballot are printed.* One for the voter and one for the public
>>>>>record. This would eliminate all the extra ballots that could be used
>>>>>for
>>>>>unauthorized voting as well as any question of voter intent. Each
>>>>>piece of
>>>>>equipment involved in the issuing of the receipt would be linked to the
>>>>>serial# of that ballot and an electronic document would be generated
>>>>>that
>>>>>exactly matched the two printed receipts. So the voter themselves has
>>>>>validate the printed ballots, keeping one for themselves, while the
>>>>>other
>>>>>electronic time-stamped document is deposited into an optical scanner
>>>>>used
>>>>>as a secure depository. This second scanned count which should always
>>>>>match
>>>>>the electronic count. This paper ballot could also be used for recounts
>>>>>if
>>>>>needed. The voter could use the receipt to inquire about their vote in
>>>>>the
>>>>>future. The stuffing of the ballot box or "finding ballots" would be
>>>>>eliminated. With this system, if you find a ballot, you have to find
>>>>>the
>>>>>voter that cast that ballot too. This is not so in any of the current
>>>>>systems in place today nor have we ever heard such a system ever
>>>>>proposed.
>>>>> http://www.afvr.org
>>>
>>>
>>> All of the above was posted no doubt for the delectation of Mr. Tom
>>> Sherman who continues to believe that elections are stolen in this
>>> country. Without getting into the nuts and bolts of this post, let me
>>> say that those who cannot figure out how to vote correctly are too
>>> stupid to be voting in the first place. Unfortunately for liberals like
>>> Mr. Sherman and Rocketman most of these type voters just happen to be
>>> Democrats. Too bad for them, but that is what comes of being ignorant
>>> and stupid. Why should the rest of us bend over backwards to accommodate
>>> the most stupid among us.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I am relieved whenever I hear that almost 50% of the electorate
>>> does not vote. Thank God for that! The only folks I want voting are
>>> those who have bothered to inform themselves on the issues and have at
>>> least enough brains to figure out how to cast a vote correctly.
>>>
>> Tell us again, please. Where is Osama and why? If Saddam was so connected
>> to terrorism, why did it get worse upon our entering Iraq?
>
>
 
Skip:

Al Qaeda hasn't made good an a hyperbolic threat in ages, which sort of
suggests that they aren't in as good a shape as some on the left would hope.
(Yeah, their hearts are corrupt. What can I say.) I was listening to
Barbara Boxer make her innane points about her better, Secretary Rice, and
missed my damn exit on the freeway. That IQ-challenged woman cost me an
extra 15 minutes on my homeward commute. But in the end Condoleeza spanked
her pretty good. Not good enough, mind you, because she's a lady after all,
but good enough.

But I'm too much a sucker for this sort of discussion, and frankly I'd
rather get off topic. There's naught to be gained by beating this dead old
horse. A little exercise and some material prosperity would do us all a
world of good. As Natan Sharansky says, it's better to have democracies
that hate you than tyrannies that love you. Something like that. The Bush
hatred is a blessing in disguise. The bigger picture is what matters. And
walking through Truman's "Little White House" in Key West put things in
perspective.

--
--Scott
"skip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Frank P. Patterson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> Tell us again, please. Where is Osama and why?
>
>
> I don't know exactly where Osama is right now. I think he's doing some
> spelunking in the wilderness mountain area somewhere around the Pakistan -
> Afghanistan border.
>
> A much greater concern at the moment is this Jordanian terrorist named Abu
> Musab al-Zarqawi who is operating in the Bagdad area. He especially
> enjoys beheading people with a big hunting knife. I believe he beheaded
> two shite muslims today and left them on the city sidewalks. A Catholic
> Archbiship was kidnapped today and his fate is unknown. Osama just isn't
> the priority at this moment. I can't understand why some democrats seem
> to think he should be. It's as if they want our troops out of Iraq and
> off in the nether regions of Afghanistan searching caves for Osama.
>
>
>>If Saddam was so connected to terrorism, why did it get worse upon our
>> >entering Iraq?
>
> Because the control Iraq is critically important to radical Islam's goals.
> They are desperate to stop the upcoming election and are attempting to do
> so using the most brutal terror tactics imaginable. They must be stopped
> and they will be stopped.
>
> skip
>
>
>
 
"Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I recently got back from three weeks in Key West. (My sister lives there
>now, and we went for a Christmas and New Years visit.) The temps were in
>the high 60s and low 70s for awhile, and many of the locals were wearing
>fleece, which was amusing since I was in T-shirt and shorts. Regulating
>inside temps was a conflict because the locals like it about 77 and I get
>clammy at anything much over 72, which they regard as freezing. Anyway, it
>was very pleasant. The two highlights of the trip were catching a
>yard-long Cobia (the whole school followed the hooked fish to the surface,
>which was exciting), and touring the "Little White House" where Truman and
>his staff had worked out the outlines of the Marshall Plan and the Cold
>War. The shipwreck museum was pretty cool too.

You mean you were in Key West and you did not visit the former home of
Ernest Hemingway?

The temperature in my house runs around 50 degrees for most of the winter. I
would prefer that it run around 80 degrees. As you can so plainly see, I was
born out of my place. I would just love the climate of Key West.

> I borrowed by brother-in-law's bike a number of times for a tour around
> the island, but the circumference was only 10 miles. You can go from the
> Atlantic to the Gulf of Mexico in about five minutes. The instant the old
> dog dies Key West and Cuba will become a merged tourist destination, as
> they were before Castro. Wish I had money to buy real estate.

I do not like dead end destinations or islands either. Like a grizzly bear,
I need room to roam. Those who fly off to Hawaii for a vacation are, in my
not so humble opinion, crazy.

> I only saw one recumbent while I was there. I think it was a BikeE.
> There just aren't that many places to go on a recumbent, and I didn't see
> many road bikes either. A "beach cruiser" or MTB are much more practical
> choices.

I think when you are in Key West you are basically "trapped." I was once
there back in the 70's and once I was there I just wanted to get back on the
mainland. I am a continental, not an islander.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Skip:
>
> Al Qaeda hasn't made good an a hyperbolic threat in ages, which sort of
> suggests that they aren't in as good a shape as some on the left would
> hope. (Yeah, their hearts are corrupt. What can I say.) I was listening
> to Barbara Boxer make her innane points about her better, Secretary Rice,
> and missed my damn exit on the freeway. That IQ-challenged woman cost me
> an extra 15 minutes on my homeward commute. But in the end Condoleeza
> spanked her pretty good. Not good enough, mind you, because she's a lady
> after all, but good enough.
>
> But I'm too much a sucker for this sort of discussion, and frankly I'd
> rather get off topic. There's naught to be gained by beating this dead
> old horse. A little exercise and some material prosperity would do us all
> a world of good. As Natan Sharansky says, it's better to have democracies
> that hate you than tyrannies that love you. Something like that. The
> Bush hatred is a blessing in disguise. The bigger picture is what
> matters. And walking through Truman's "Little White House" in Key West
> put things in perspective.
>
> --
> --Scott

Ah! ... 'tis balm to my sorry old soul to read some common sense here on
ARBR which is also extremely intelligent.

I do worry a bit about Rice though. Sometimes I don't think women are really
cut out to be secretaries of state. The last one we had was a disaster. I
hope she will be strong and will reflect Bush II and not the g.d. State
Department bureaucrats. Powell was a good soldier to Bush, but still I am
glad that he is going. Frankly, I never trusted him. I am not with Bush 100%
on all issues, but I am with Bush 100% (so far) on foreign affairs issues
and most especially on the War.

--
Best Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Freewheeling wrote:

> ...A little exercise and some material prosperity would do us all a
> world of good....

Poverty and suffering build character (see point made by Alexandre
Solzhenitsyn).

Never paying a real price for one's mistakes leads to emotional
immaturity and poor judgement.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Freewheeling wrote:
>
>> ...A little exercise and some material prosperity would do us all a
>> world of good....

Agreed.

> Poverty and suffering build character (see point made by Alexandre
> Solzhenitsyn).

Agreed.

> Never paying a real price for one's mistakes leads to emotional immaturity
> and poor judgement.

Agreed.

Mr. Sherman should have been a preacher from the pulpit. No one in this
world appreciates bromides more than I do. Unfortunately, I have never heard
of anyone who applied a bromide to themselves. It is always for others.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Oh yeah, about recumbency and being "trapped," a friend of ours had a pedal
powered tandem kayak, which my brother-in-law and I borrow to go
sight-seeing in the mangroves. Saw a nurse shark from about two feet away,
and lots of other aquatic life. Strictly speaking you can go lots of places
there on a recumbent, just not on land. The currents can be pretty beastly,
though. I didn't feel trapped because my relatives are all into the sea,
doing scuba and snorkling, fishing, kayaking, what have you. When Cuba
opens up there'll be daily shuttles to Havana and other points on the
Island. You can see it coming. There's a large Cuban community already
living in Key West. Of course, it's pretty much the "end of the road" for
land lubbers. And it's always had that end of the road feel, going all the
way back to the days of the wreckers and pirates.
--
--Scott
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I recently got back from three weeks in Key West. (My sister lives there
>>now, and we went for a Christmas and New Years visit.) The temps were in
>>the high 60s and low 70s for awhile, and many of the locals were wearing
>>fleece, which was amusing since I was in T-shirt and shorts. Regulating
>>inside temps was a conflict because the locals like it about 77 and I get
>>clammy at anything much over 72, which they regard as freezing. Anyway,
>>it was very pleasant. The two highlights of the trip were catching a
>>yard-long Cobia (the whole school followed the hooked fish to the surface,
>>which was exciting), and touring the "Little White House" where Truman and
>>his staff had worked out the outlines of the Marshall Plan and the Cold
>>War. The shipwreck museum was pretty cool too.
>
> You mean you were in Key West and you did not visit the former home of
> Ernest Hemingway?
>
> The temperature in my house runs around 50 degrees for most of the winter.
> I would prefer that it run around 80 degrees. As you can so plainly see, I
> was born out of my place. I would just love the climate of Key West.
>
>> I borrowed by brother-in-law's bike a number of times for a tour around
>> the island, but the circumference was only 10 miles. You can go from the
>> Atlantic to the Gulf of Mexico in about five minutes. The instant the
>> old dog dies Key West and Cuba will become a merged tourist destination,
>> as they were before Castro. Wish I had money to buy real estate.
>
> I do not like dead end destinations or islands either. Like a grizzly
> bear, I need room to roam. Those who fly off to Hawaii for a vacation are,
> in my not so humble opinion, crazy.
>
>> I only saw one recumbent while I was there. I think it was a BikeE.
>> There just aren't that many places to go on a recumbent, and I didn't see
>> many road bikes either. A "beach cruiser" or MTB are much more practical
>> choices.
>
> I think when you are in Key West you are basically "trapped." I was once
> there back in the 70's and once I was there I just wanted to get back on
> the mainland. I am a continental, not an islander.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
>
>
>
>
 
Tom:

OK you've convinced me. I'll save the adversity for you, if there's any
extra.

--
--Scott
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Freewheeling wrote:
>
>> ...A little exercise and some material prosperity would do us all a
>> world of good....
>
> Poverty and suffering build character (see point made by Alexandre
> Solzhenitsyn).
>
> Never paying a real price for one's mistakes leads to emotional immaturity
> and poor judgement.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island
>
 
Freewheeling wrote:

> Tom:
>
> OK you've convinced me. I'll save the adversity for you, if there's any
> extra.

There are much more needy people than me, and the adversity does not
count towards your per candidate campaign contribution limits.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island
 
"> OK you've convinced me. I'll save the adversity for you, if there's any
> extra.

There are much more needy people than me"

Still, if you apply yourself I'm sure you could talk them out of their
share. It certainly worked with me. I shipped mine out to you via UPS this
morning. (There's a colon cleanse in the package that you might want to
think twice about, however.)

--
--Scott
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Freewheeling wrote:
>
>> Tom:
>>
>> OK you've convinced me. I'll save the adversity for you, if there's any
>> extra.
>
> There are much more needy people than me, and the adversity does not count
> towards your per candidate campaign contribution limits.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island
>
 
Ed:

"I hope she will be strong and will reflect Bush II and not the g.d. State
Department bureaucrats."

It might surprise you to discover that there are a few undercover
Republicans in the State Department. They blog anonymously at:

The Daily Demarche:
http://dailydemarche.blogspot.com/

The Diplomad:
http://diplomadic.blogspot.com/

and New Sysiphus:
http://newsisyphus.blogspot.com/

She'll have a few allies.

--
--Scott
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Skip:
>>
>> Al Qaeda hasn't made good an a hyperbolic threat in ages, which sort of
>> suggests that they aren't in as good a shape as some on the left would
>> hope. (Yeah, their hearts are corrupt. What can I say.) I was listening
>> to Barbara Boxer make her innane points about her better, Secretary Rice,
>> and missed my damn exit on the freeway. That IQ-challenged woman cost me
>> an extra 15 minutes on my homeward commute. But in the end Condoleeza
>> spanked her pretty good. Not good enough, mind you, because she's a lady
>> after all, but good enough.
>>
>> But I'm too much a sucker for this sort of discussion, and frankly I'd
>> rather get off topic. There's naught to be gained by beating this dead
>> old horse. A little exercise and some material prosperity would do us
>> all a world of good. As Natan Sharansky says, it's better to have
>> democracies that hate you than tyrannies that love you. Something like
>> that. The Bush hatred is a blessing in disguise. The bigger picture is
>> what matters. And walking through Truman's "Little White House" in Key
>> West put things in perspective.
>>
>> --
>> --Scott
>
> Ah! ... 'tis balm to my sorry old soul to read some common sense here on
> ARBR which is also extremely intelligent.
>
> I do worry a bit about Rice though. Sometimes I don't think women are
> really cut out to be secretaries of state. The last one we had was a
> disaster. I hope she will be strong and will reflect Bush II and not the
> g.d. State Department bureaucrats. Powell was a good soldier to Bush, but
> still I am glad that he is going. Frankly, I never trusted him. I am not
> with Bush 100% on all issues, but I am with Bush 100% (so far) on foreign
> affairs issues and most especially on the War.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
>
>
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Freewheeling wrote:
>>
>>
>>>...A little exercise and some material prosperity would do us all a
>>>world of good....
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
>>Poverty and suffering build character (see point made by Alexandre
>>Solzhenitsyn).
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
>>Never paying a real price for one's mistakes leads to emotional immaturity
>>and poor judgement.
>
>
> Agreed.
>
> Mr. Sherman should have been a preacher from the pulpit. No one in this
> world appreciates bromides more than I do. Unfortunately, I have never heard
> of anyone who applied a bromide to themselves. It is always for others.
>
Just for a more complete understanding of you, what are your positions on:
Creationism vs Inteligent Design vs Evolution

The second coming or The Rapture

The more natural resources consmued the more there is of them.

The worst creation of God was man, the worst creation of man was God.

What was the rationale for not 'nuking' Afghanistan and Saudi
Arabia after 9/11? If it didn't teach them a lesson there wouldn't be so
many terrorists left.

Are women intelligent beings and do they have rights?

Why are there no dual 24" compact midracers?

The morbidly obese, drug addicted Rush Limbaugh states that
exercise is harmful. Who is correct?
 
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