Should you get a Free (Bicycle) Ride?



=v= The cost of roads, not to mention police, emergency
services, damage to health and the environment, and much
more, are not fully paid for-pocket by those who drive
motor vehicles. Therefore, those of us who use alternative
forms of transportation -- and bicycles are by far the form
that incurs the least cost, economic and enviornmental --
are therefore *ALREADY* paying far more than our fair share.
We are subsidizing motorists.

=v= Therefore, the premise in the Subject: line is false.
It asks a question that does not reflect reality.

=v= The "10 ways how bicyclists pay their way." thread in
rec.bicycles.soc explains this in a bit more detail.
<_Jym_>
 
"DonQuijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> So the US may be more Roman than we realise, with garrisons in every
> corner of the globe. But there the similarities only begin. For the US
> approach to empire looks quintessentially Roman. It's as if the Romans
> bequeathed a blueprint for how imperial business should be done - and
> today's Americans follow it religiously.
>
> Lesson one in the Roman handbook for imperial success would be a
> realisation that it is not enough to have great military strength: the
> rest of the world must know that strength - and fear it. The Romans
> used the propaganda technique of their time - gladiatorial games in
> the Colosseum - to show the world how hard they were. Today 24-hour
> news coverage of US military operations, including video footage of
> smart bombs scoring direct hits, or Hollywood shoot-'em-ups at the
> multiplex serve the same function. Both tell the world: this empire is
> too tough to beat.
>
> The US has learned a second lesson from Rome, realising the centrality
> of technology. For the Romans, it was those famously straight roads,
> enabling the empire to move troops or supplies at awesome speeds -
> rates that would not be surpassed for well over a thousand years. It
> was a perfect example of how one imperial strength tends to feed
> another: an innovation in engineering, originally designed for
> military use, went on to boost Rome commercially.
>
> Today those highways find their counterpart in the information
> superhighway: the Internet also began as a military tool, devised by
> the US Defence Department, and now stands at the heart of American
> commerce. In the process, it is making English the Latin of its day -
> a language spoken across the globe. The US is proving what the Romans
> already knew: that once an empire is a world leader in one sphere, it
> soon dominates in every other.


Actually a rather good understanding of the growth of power both in military
power and economic power.

The US is unbeatable in traditional combat, which is exactly why terrorism
is the choice for others to attack in non conventional ways. Now both the
terrorist and the US are adapting to the new non-conventional war. Most
likely the terrorist will find that the US grows stronger and innovates
faster in battle.

The terrorist are already seeing intelligence activities causing increased
damage to the terrorist networks, especially as all countries come together
to defeat a common enemy. The net result will probably be the US becoming
even more powerful with development of information technology.

The information and collection technology will migrate to the commercial
world to possibly give the economic increase of power to make the US even
more powerful commercially.

The only thing that defeats a culture that learns and develops technology so
aggressively is to create apathy. The terrorist are doing the opposite of
creating intense desire in the US to improve which will lead the down fall
of the terrorist.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Horses were used east of the Mississippi. Oxen west.


> Huh. Native Americans rode oxen? Go figure.


I don't know, but since horses weren't introduced to the Americas until
Cortez, the traditional image of the brave on horseback is hardly the
primal state of the plains, half as old as time itself. Indeed, it was
the horse that leveraged a move from agriculture to nomadic hunting.
Whatever the Native Americans did with horses, they only had about three
hundred years to do it: the rest of their history has to involve
something else.

Lewis and Clarke noted that there were no horses west of the Cascades in
1806.

ian
 
"Jack May" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<GGkNc.38205$eM2.1497@attbi_s51>...
> "DonQuijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > So the US may be more Roman than we realise, with garrisons in every
> > corner of the globe. But there the similarities only begin. For the US
> > approach to empire looks quintessentially Roman. It's as if the Romans
> > bequeathed a blueprint for how imperial business should be done - and
> > today's Americans follow it religiously.
> >
> > Lesson one in the Roman handbook for imperial success would be a
> > realisation that it is not enough to have great military strength: the
> > rest of the world must know that strength - and fear it. The Romans
> > used the propaganda technique of their time - gladiatorial games in
> > the Colosseum - to show the world how hard they were. Today 24-hour
> > news coverage of US military operations, including video footage of
> > smart bombs scoring direct hits, or Hollywood shoot-'em-ups at the
> > multiplex serve the same function. Both tell the world: this empire is
> > too tough to beat.
> >
> > The US has learned a second lesson from Rome, realising the centrality
> > of technology. For the Romans, it was those famously straight roads,
> > enabling the empire to move troops or supplies at awesome speeds -
> > rates that would not be surpassed for well over a thousand years. It
> > was a perfect example of how one imperial strength tends to feed
> > another: an innovation in engineering, originally designed for
> > military use, went on to boost Rome commercially.
> >
> > Today those highways find their counterpart in the information
> > superhighway: the Internet also began as a military tool, devised by
> > the US Defence Department, and now stands at the heart of American
> > commerce. In the process, it is making English the Latin of its day -
> > a language spoken across the globe. The US is proving what the Romans
> > already knew: that once an empire is a world leader in one sphere, it
> > soon dominates in every other.

>
> Actually a rather good understanding of the growth of power both in military
> power and economic power.
>
> The US is unbeatable in traditional combat, which is exactly why terrorism
> is the choice for others to attack in non conventional ways. Now both the
> terrorist and the US are adapting to the new non-conventional war. Most
> likely the terrorist will find that the US grows stronger and innovates
> faster in battle.
>
> The terrorist are already seeing intelligence activities causing increased
> damage to the terrorist networks, especially as all countries come together
> to defeat a common enemy. The net result will probably be the US becoming
> even more powerful with development of information technology.
>
> The information and collection technology will migrate to the commercial
> world to possibly give the economic increase of power to make the US even
> more powerful commercially.
>
> The only thing that defeats a culture that learns and develops technology so
> aggressively is to create apathy. The terrorist are doing the opposite of
> creating intense desire in the US to improve which will lead the down fall
> of the terrorist.


And the fact that THE WHOLE WORLD HATES US should be a further
motivation to excel, particularty if you own and SUV and have a job to
begin with.
 
<I still think what Lance did has never been equalled.>

I only wished he went, "Hey people in America don't have a chance to
ride a bike!"


<Maybe you need a gun in some places but still doable.... >

Thanks for the tip. The gun can make quite a difference, particularly
to defend myself against SUVs. And that adds more excitement to the
sport. ;)
 
In article <[email protected]>,
DonQuijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>So the US may be more Roman than we realise, with garrisons in every
>corner of the globe. But there the similarities only begin. For the US
>approach to empire looks quintessentially Roman. It's as if the Romans
>bequeathed a blueprint for how imperial business should be done - and
>today's Americans follow it religiously.


Well, except for the fact that we don't have garrisons in every
corner of the globe. Afghanistan and Iraq, yes. Further, we don't
extract tribute from our subject nations. The differences only begin
there.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
DonQuijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (Matthew Russotto) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Chalo <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >John David Galt <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > We live in a society and must be some things that make life
>> >> > pleasurable: arts, parks, bike routes... Or you want people to pay for
>> >> > their own parks too?
>> >>
>> >> Yes, they should. Arts and parks have nowhere near the life-threatening
>> >> importance that is needed to justify forcible taxation.
>> >
>> >There have been many societies that levied taxes to support a
>> >civilized way of life. You have heard of many of them: Egypt,
>> >Athens, Rome, etc.-- on up to the "First World" states of today.
>> >
>> >By the same token, there have been plenty of societies that have taxed
>> >primarily to support warfare. We know them collectively as
>> >barbarians.

>>
>> ROTFL. Start with a false premise (see "Rome"), come up with a
>> nonsense answer.

>
>It doesn't make sense. Rome wanted to tax Barbarians to launch more
>war on them. So who are the Barbarians? :(


The ones with the beards.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
DonQuijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>If the consumer always won, the Corporation would always be at the
>point of collapse. The fact though that the Corporation and not the
>individual consumer swim in money goes to prove who's on top.


Don't be silly. If the corporation were to be at the point of
collapse, who is going to be making those new consumer goods?

(Socialism is such a fundamentally STUPID philosophy sometimes)
 
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Matthew Russotto) wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> DonQuijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >If the consumer always won, the Corporation would always be at the
> >point of collapse. The fact though that the Corporation and not the
> >individual consumer swim in money goes to prove who's on top.

>
> Don't be silly. If the corporation were to be at the point of
> collapse, who is going to be making those new consumer goods?
>
> (Socialism is such a fundamentally STUPID philosophy sometimes)


On the road of life socialism is the rumble strip in the breakdown lane.
As we roll along we get visual, audible and then tactile warnings that a
crash is imminent, we have drifted too far to the left.

[comments mirrored to my blog]
 
"Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (DonQuijote1954) writes:
>
> Well, since there were no attributions and a weird << >> around the
> text instead of a normal quote string, I don't know who wrote:
>
> > at a cost of around $7 million a part of the roadbed is dedicated to
> > foot and bicycle traffic, which of course means the number of auto
> > traffic lanes are limited.

>
> The number of traffic lanes is always limited, regardless of whether
> or not there are accomodations for pedestrians and cyclists. Although
> for some peculiar reason, there is a subset of drivers who think that
> every possible resoource should be allocated to building them new
> roads- even though it is clear from a cursory examination of history
> that building new road capacity does not improve traffic flow nor
> reduce congestion. Trillions of dollars can be spent on roads,
> without real improvement in the quality of life for people driving
> cars.


FAIRY TALE ALERT!

Assumes that when a road is built that people will flood in from elsewhere
just because of the road even when they don't have a job or house.

The research is clear that this is nonsense.
 
<It doesn't get much better on a big yellow motorcycle, either.
Non-car occupants of the roadspace do not seem to factor into the
minds of your basic motorist, I have witnessed.

The other day, a woman in one of those Cadillac Escalates, changed
into my lane with nary a glance.
At the last minute she noticed we were in the same lane but
fortunately she didn't even miss a beat in her cell phone call.

I am not exaggerating for dramatic purposes either >

How did it turn from Lance Armstrong into this?

Yeah, but I believe you. I don't know whether I'm exaggerating that
the guys in the motorcycle are safer in the war zone...

PS: Nice bike, ah?

http://www.informationwar.org/wars gallery/us-tank-iraqi-soldier_07april2003.jpg
 
<It doesn't get much better on a big yellow motorcycle, either.
Non-car occupants of the roadspace do not seem to factor into the
minds of your basic motorist, I have witnessed.

The other day, a woman in one of those Cadillac Escalates, changed
into my lane with nary a glance.
At the last minute she noticed we were in the same lane but
fortunately she didn't even miss a beat in her cell phone call.

I am not exaggerating for dramatic purposes either >

How did it turn from Lance Armstrong into this?

Yeah, but I believe you. I don't know whether I'm exaggerating that
the guys in the motorcycle are safer in the war zone...

PS: Nice bike, ah?

http://www.informationwar.org/wars gallery/us-tank-iraqi-soldier_07april2003.jpg
 
<In my observation SUV drivers are not so much guilty of that macho
arrogance that Brutus displays, as of complacency and a misplaced
sense of entitlement. Many people look at these things as if life were
a balance sheet. "I do this and that for good causes, and I work hard,
so I deserve this indulgence," etc. You see the same tendency in a
smaller way in the anomaly that in times of economic hardship two
businesses that never seem to fail (at least in the U.S. - I'm not
sure where you are writing from) are nail salons and party supply
stores.>


I believe--and this my personal observation by living surrounded by
the hardcore Rambo mentality--that it's not so much the affluent, but
rather the Brutus type. Among the noblesse oblige you don't see so
much cheap show. They are the ones that go for the Mini, Bimmer. The
problem is the former not the latter...
 
"Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> "DRS" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> "Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Umm, no. Not even remotely. It basically was not until the advent
>>> of wheeled vehicles that roads were really necessary. That's why
>>> the Romans paved roads- for their chariots. They were also helpful
>>> to the troops on foot, as they arrived at their destinations
>>> fresher and better able to fight. You might find the relationship
>>> between standard Roman chariot dimensions, the width of horses'
>>> rumps and railway gauge an interesting read.

>>
>> The Romans never used chariots in warfare. They were long obsolete
>> even then and were reserved mainly for ceremonial occaisions.

>
> Interesting. I didn't know that, and I'm glad I didn't say they were!
> ;-)


Chariots were primarily used in the Bronze Age and ceased being a major
factor in Mediterranean warfare around the reign of Ramses III, although
they survived for some time in other parts of the ancient world. Julius
Caesar's invasion of Britain in 54BC was the first time the Romans
encountered chariots in battle. The Persians continued to use sythed
chariots, albeit as an adjunct to the main army rather than being a central
element, until Alexander smashed Darius at the Battle of Gaugamela in 331BC.

They were simply far too expensive and inflexible to survive as warfare
became more efficient. They could only operate effectively on fairly flat,
open ground. As soon as infantry began being well armoured and armed, along
with the development of true cavalry, the days of the chariot were numbered.

There is also no relationship between the width of a Roman chariot or
wagon's axle and the width of Roman roads. That is a myth. Roman roads
varied in width from about 40 feet (decumanus maximus) to about 8 feet.
Country roads were generally about 20 feet wide, wide enough for two wagons
or carts to pass, although all such roads could be narrower because of
difficult terrain.

>> Their roads were first and foremost about moving their fundamentally
>> infantry army around the place, along with their massive baggage
>> trains.

>
> More or less along the lines I was thinking, had only vaguely thought
> about supply lines.


A full strength Roman legion consisted of 6,000 infantry plus sundry support
elements. Its baggage train was immense.

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
 
Matthew Russotto wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> DonQuijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>So the US may be more Roman than we realise, with garrisons in every
>>corner of the globe. But there the similarities only begin. For the US
>>approach to empire looks quintessentially Roman. It's as if the Romans
>>bequeathed a blueprint for how imperial business should be done - and
>>today's Americans follow it religiously.

>
> Well, except for the fact that we don't have garrisons in every
> corner of the globe. Afghanistan and Iraq, yes.


You forgot

Cuba
Germany
Japan
Midway
Diego Garcia
10 or 12 Aircraft carrier groups
A fleet of nuclear subs

But whatever, 2 was close enough.

> Further, we don't
> extract tribute from our subject nations. The differences only begin
> there.


No you generally call them tariffs and "counter-vailing" duties and
diplomatic pressure.

But hey, whatever again, this is all off topic.

Follows-ups set accordingly.
 
In rec.bicycles.misc Matthew Russotto <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, except for the fact that we don't have garrisons in every
> corner of the globe. Afghanistan and Iraq, yes. Further, we don't
> extract tribute from our subject nations. The differences only begin
> there.


errrrr,

Afghanistan
Bagram Air Base, Parvan, Charikar, US Air Force
Kandahar Air Base, Kandahar, US Air Force
Khost Airbase, Paktia, Khost, US Air Force
Mazar-e-Sharif Airbase, Mazar-e-Sharif, US Air Force



Antigua
Antigua Air Station, Barnes Hill, US Air Force



Australia
Holt Exmouth, Exmouth, US Navy
Woomera Air Station, Woomera, US Air Force
3 Installations, no further details



Austria
1 installation, no further details



Bahamas
Autec Andros, Andros, US Navy



Bahrain
Bahrain, Bahrain, US Navy
Muharraq Airfield



Belgium
Brussels, Brüssel, US Army
Chateau Gendebien, Mons, US Army
Chievres, Ath, US Army
Chievres Airbase, Ath, US Army
Daumerie Caserne, Ath, US Army
Florennes Air Base, Florennes, US Air Force
Kleine Brogel Air Base, Kleine Brogel, US Air Force
Mons, Mons, US Army
Shape Headquarters, Mons, US Army
Sterrebeek Dependent School, Sterrebeek, US Army
10 Installations, no further details



Bosnia-Hercegovina
Camp Comanche, Tuzla, US Army
Camp Mc Govern, Brcko
Camp Eagle, Tuzla



Bulgaria
Camp Sarafovo, Burgas



Canada
1 Installation, no further details



Columbia
San José del Guaviare radar station
Marandúa radar station
Leticia radar statiom



Cuba
Guantanamo, Guantanamo Bay, US Navy



Denmark
Karup Air Base, Karup, US Air Force
2 Installations, no further details



Denmark (Greenland)
Thule Air Base, Thule, US Air Force



Egpyt
NAVMEDRSCHU Three Cairo, Cairo, US Navy



Germany
Ag Pub & Tng Aids Ctr, Frankfurt Main, US Army
Alvin York Vil Fam Hsg, Bad Nauheim, US Army
Amberg Fam Hsg, Amberg, US Army
Amelia Earhart Hotel, Wiesbaden, US Army
American Arms Hotel, Wiesbaden, US Army
Anderson Barracks, Dexheim, US Army
Ansbach, Ansbach, US Army
Argonner Kaserne, Hanau, US Army
Armstrong Barracks, Büdingen, US Army
Armstrong Village Fam Hsg, Büdingen, US Army
Artillery Kaserne, Garmisch, US Army
Aschaffenburg Fam Hsg, Aschaffenburg, US Army
Aschaffenburg Tng Areas, Aschaffenburg, US Army
Askren Manor Fam Hsg, Schweinfurt, US Army
Aukamm Hsg Area, Wiesbaden, US Army
Babenhausen Family Hsg, Babenhausen, US Army
Babenhausen Kaserne, Babenhausen, US Army
Bad Aibling Kaserne, Bad Aibling, US Army
Bad Kreuznach, Bad Kreuznach, US Army
Bad Kreuznach Fam Hsg, Bad Kreuznach, US Army
Bad Kreuznach Hospital, Bad Kreuznach, US Army
Bamberg, Bamberg, US Army
Bamberg Airfield, Bamberg, US Army
Bamberg Stor & Range Area, Bamberg, US Army
Bann Comm Station, Bann, US Air Force
Bann Communication Station No 2, Landstuhl, US Air Force
Barton Barracks, Ansbach, US Army
Baumholder, Baumholder, US Army
Baumholder Airfield, Baumholder, US Army
Baumholder Fam Hsg, Baumholder, US Army
Baumholder Hospital, Baumholder, US Army
Baumholder Qm Area, Baumholder, US Army
Benjamin Franklin Vil Fam Hsg, Mannheim, US Army
Bensheim Maint & Supply Fac, Bensheim, US Army
Binsfeld Family Hsg Annex, Binsfeld, US Air Force
Birkenfeld Hsg Facilities, Baumholder, US Army
Bitburg Family Hsg Annex, Bitburg, US Air Force
Bitburg Storage Annex No 2, Bitburg, US Air Force
Bleidorn Fam Hsg, Ansbach, US Army
Boeblingen Fam Hsg, Stuttgart, US Army
Boeblingen Range, Stuttgart, US Army
Boeblingen Tng Area, Stuttgart, US Army
Breitenau Skeet Range, Garmisch, US Army
Breitenwald Tng Area, Landstuhl, US Army
Bremerhaven, Mannheim, US Army
Buechel Air Base, Büchel, US Air Force
Buedingen Ammo Area, Beudingen, US Army
Buedingen Army Heliport, Beudingen, US Army
Butzbach Tng Area & Range, Butzbach, US Army
Cambrai Fritsch Kaserne, Darmstadt, US Army
Camp Oppenheim Tng Area, Guntersblum, US Army
Campbell Barracks, Heidelberg, US Army
Campo Pond Tng Area, Hanau, US Army
Cardwell Village Fam Hsg, Hanau, US Army
Chiemsee Recreation Area, Bernau, US Army
Coleman Barracks, Mannheim, US Army
Coleman Village Fam Hsg, Gelnhausen, US Army
Community Fac Kaiserlautern E, Kaiserslautern, US Army
Conn Barracks, Schweinfurt, US Army
Crestview Hsg Area, Wiesbaden, US Army
Daenner Kaserne, Kaiserslautern, US Army
Daley Village Fam Hsg, Bad Kissingen, US Army
Darmstadt, Darmstadt, US Army
Darmstadt Training Center, Darmstadt, US Army
Dautphe Boy Scout Camp, Dautphe, US Army
Dexheim Fam Hsg, Dexheim, US Army
Dexheim Missile Fac, Dexheim, US Army
East Camp Grafenwoehr, Hof, US Army
Echterdingen Airfield, Stuttgart, US Army
Edingen Radio Receiver Fac, Heidelberg, US Army
Egelsbach Transmitter Fac, Langen, US Army
Einsiedlerhof Maintenance Anx, Einsiedlerhof, US Air Force
Einsiedlerhof Storage Annex, Einsiedlerhof, US Air Force
Einsiedlerkoepfe Training Anx, Kaiserslautern, US Air Force
Ernst Ludwig Kaserne, Darmstadt, US Army
Faulenberg Kaserne, US Army
Finthen Airfield, Mainz, US Army
Fintherlandstr Fam Hsg, Mainz, US Army
Fliegerhorst Airfield Kaserne, Hanau, US Army
Flynn Fam Hsg & Tng Areas, Bamberg, US Army
Frankfurt AFN Sta, Frankfurt Main, US Army
Frankfurt Hospital, Frankfurt, US Air Force
Freihoelser Tng Area, Amberg, US Army
Friedrichsfeld Qm Service Ctr, Mannheim, US Army
Friedrichsfeld Stor Area, Mannheim, US Army
Funari Barracks, Mannheim, US Army
Garmisch Fam Hsg, Garmisch, US Army
Garmisch Golf Course, Garmisch, US Army
Garmisch Shopping Center, Garmisch, US Army
Gateway Gardens Family Hsg Annex, Frankfurt, US Air Force
Geilenkirchen Air Base Geilenkirchen, US Air Force
Gelnhausen, Gelnhausen, US Army
General Abrams Hotel & Disp, Garmisch, US Army
General Patton Hotel, Garmisch, US Army
General Von Steuben Hotel, Garmisch, US Army
George C Marshall Vil Fam Hsg, Giessen, US Army
George C. Marshall Kaserne, Bad Kreuznach, US Army
George Gershwin Fam Hsg, Wetzlar, US Army
Germersheim Army Depot, Germersheim, US Army
Giebelstadt Giebelstadt, US Army
Giebelstadt Army Airfield Würzburg, US Army
Giebelstadt DYA Camp, Würzburg, US Army
Giebelstadt TAC Def Fac, Würzburg, US Army
Giessen, Giessen, US Army
Giessen Community Facilities, Giessen, US Army
Giessen General Depot, Giessen, US Army
Grafenwoehr, US Army
Grafenwoehr Tng Area, Grafenwöhr, US Army
Griesheim Airfield, Darmstadt, US Army
Grossauheim Kaserne, Grossauheim, US Army
Gruenstadt AAFES Fac Ma, US Army
Gruenstadt Comm Sta Ma, US Army
Gut Husum Ammunition Storage Annex, Jever, US Air Force
Hainerberg Hsg and Shop Ctr, Wiesbaden, US Army
Hammonds Barracks, Heidelberg, US Army
Hanau, Hanau, US Army
Harvey Barracks, US Army
Hausberg Ski Area, Garmisch, US Army
Heidelberg, Heidelberg, US Army
Heidelberg Airfield, Heidelberg, US Army
Heidelberg Community Sup Ctr, Heidelberg, US Army
Heidelberg Golf Course, Heidelberg, US Army
Heidelberg Hospital, Heidelberg, US Army
Herforst Family Hsg Anx, Herforst, US Air Force
Hill 365 Radio Relay Fac, Kaiserslautern, US Army
Hochspeyer Ammo Stor Anx, Hochspeyer, US Air Force
Hoechst, US Army
Hohenfels, Hohenfels, US Army
Hohenfels Tng Area, Hohenfels, US Army
Hommertshausen Girl Scout Camp, Hommertshausen, US Army
Hoppstaedten Waterworks, Baumholder, US Army
Husterhoeh Communication Site, Pirmasens, US Air Force
Husterhoeh Kaserne, Pirmasens, US Army
Hutier Kaserne, Hanau, US Army
Idar Oberstein Fam Hsg, Baumholder, US Army
Illesheim, Illesheim, US Army
Jefferson Village Fam Hsg, Darmstadt, US Army
Jever Air Base, Jever, US Air Force
John F Dulles Village Fam Hsg, Giessen, US Army
Johnson Barracks, Nürnberg, US Army
Kaiserslautern, Kaiserslautern, US Army
Kaiserslautern Army Depot, Kaiserslautern, US Army
Kaiserslautern Equip Spt Ctr, Kaiserslautern, US Army
Kaiserslautern Fam Hsg Anx No 3, Kaiserslautern, US Air Force
Kapaun Administration Anx, Kaiserslautern, US Air Force
Kastel Hsg Area, Wiesbaden, US Army
Katterbach Kaserne, Ansbach, US Army
Kefurt & Craig Village Fam Hsg, Stuttgart, US Army
Kelley Barracks-Ger-GE44E, Darmstadt, US Army
Kelley Barracks-Ger-GE44F, Stuttgart, US Army
Kilbourne Kaserne, Heidelberg, US Army
Kitzingen, US Army
Kitzingen Family Hsg, Kitzingen, US Army
Kitzingen Tng Areas, Kitzingen, US Army
Kleber Kaserne, Kaiserslautern, US Army
Kornwestheim Golf Course, Stuttgart, US Army
Lampertheim Tng Area, Viernheim, US Army
Landstuhl Family Hsg Annex O3, Landstuhl, US Air Force
Landstuhl Heliport, Landstuhl, US Army
Landstuhl Hospital, Landstuhl, US Army
Landstuhl Maintenance Site, Ramstein, US Air Force
Langen Terrace Fam Hsg Area, Langen, US Army
Langerkopf Rad Rel Site, Leimen, US Air Force
Larson Barracks, Kitzingen, US Army
Ledward Barracks, Schweinfurt, US Army
Leighton Barracks, US Army
Lincoln Village Fam Hsg, Darmstadt, US Army
Mainz, Mainz, US Army
Mainz-Kastel Station, Wiesbaden, US Army
Mannheim, Mannheim, US Army
Mannheim Class III Point, Mannheim, US Army
Mark Twain Village Fam Hsg, Heidelberg, US Army
McArthur Place Fam Hsg, Friedberg, US Army
McCully Barracks, Mainz, US Army
 
[email protected] (Matthew Russotto) writes:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> DonQuijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>So the US may be more Roman than we realise, with garrisons in every
>>corner of the globe. But there the similarities only begin. For the
>>US approach to empire looks quintessentially Roman. It's as if the
>>Romans bequeathed a blueprint for how imperial business should be
>>done - and today's Americans follow it religiously.

>
> Well, except for the fact that we don't have garrisons in every
> corner of the globe. Afghanistan and Iraq, yes. Further, we don't
> extract tribute from our subject nations. The differences only
> begin there.


Empires all tend to look pretty much the same, if they are
expansionist. Empires all tend towards the same fate, the British
Empire being the most recent example. The U.S., if it continues on
the path of empire, will suffer the same fate and will occupy the same
position among world powers as the UK does today. Indeed, if the
currentpopulation and economic growth trends in India and China
continue, the U.S. may be eclipsed within 50 years.
 
[email protected] (Matthew Russotto) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> DonQuijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, except for the fact that we don't have garrisons in every
> corner of the globe. Afghanistan and Iraq, yes. Further, we don't
> extract tribute from our subject nations. The differences only begin
> there.


What I'm about to say must remain in the upmost secrecy--as "they" may
be reading our communications... ;)

"Due to government secrecy, our citizens are often ignorant of the
fact that our garrisons encircle the planet."

The Arithmetic of America's Military Bases Abroad: What Does It All
Add Up to?
By Chalmers Johnson
Mr. Johnson's latest book is The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism,
Secrecy, and the End of the Republic (Metropolitan). His previous
book, Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, has
just been updated with a new introduction.

As distinct from other peoples, most Americans do not recognize -- or
do not want to recognize -- that the United States dominates the world
through its military power. Due to government secrecy, our citizens
are often ignorant of the fact that our garrisons encircle the planet.
This vast network of American bases on every continent except
Antarctica actually constitutes a new form of empire -- an empire of
bases with its own geography not likely to be taught in any high
school geography class. Without grasping the dimensions of this
globe-girdling Baseworld, one can't begin to understand the size and
nature of our imperial aspirations or the degree to which a new kind
of militarism is undermining our constitutional order.

Our military deploys well over half a million soldiers, spies,
technicians, teachers, dependents, and civilian contractors in other
nations. To dominate the oceans and seas of the world, we are creating
some thirteen naval task forces built around aircraft carriers whose
names sum up our martial heritage -- Kitty Hawk, Constellation,
Enterprise, John F. Kennedy, Nimitz, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Carl
Vinson, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, John
C. Stennis, Harry S. Truman, and Ronald Reagan. We operate numerous
secret bases outside our territory to monitor what the people of the
world, including our own citizens, are saying, faxing, or e-mailing to
one another.

http://hnn.us/articles/3097.html
 
[email protected] (Matthew Russotto) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >It doesn't make sense. Rome wanted to tax Barbarians to launch more
> >war on them. So who are the Barbarians? :(

>
> The ones with the beards.


Oh, just like in the movie Gladiator...