titanium cookware dangerous?

R.H. Allen said:

I wouldn't worry about the safety of titanium, but I'm not sure how I
would like such a light pan. Though I can see how that would be an
advantage to someone hiking and camping....

Titanium is intermediate in density 4.54, compared to 2.7 for aluminum,
and 7.87 for iron.

Titanium dioxide is allowed as a whitener in some foods. It is a common
ingredient of white paint.

Titanium is very resistant to heat and has been used in jet engines.

--
Ron

both titanium and aluminum are light and both are used in airplanes but
aluminum is better in tensile strength it is not as good as titanium
when it comes to compression or hardness or...(can't remember the
physical term.

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both titanium and aluminum are light and both are used in airplanes but
aluminum is better in tensile strength it is not as good as titanium
when it comes to compression or hardness or...(can't remember the
physical term.

I guess like all metals, they come in many grades. Pure aluminum
is a much better heat conductor than graded aluminum. I'm sure hard
aluminum would have less effect on cooking flavor than pure aluminum,
which no one would use. Pure aluminum is much closer to copper
in heat conductivity. Of course, diamonds are the best heat conductors.
These other metals might also be better for cooking on fires.

greg

Zix said:

Hi all,

I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
interesting because it is very lightweight, but
also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
in actuality?

Since when is camping gear the measure of anything other than hiking
and camping?

Pots and pans should not react to anything. Thus, the healthiest
cookware is Pyrex glass followed by ceramic.

Frying and frying pans are out in general. If you must fry, then use
the above or plain stainless steel with a health grade coconut oil.
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

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Zix said:

Hi all,

I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
interesting because it is very lightweight, but
also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
in actuality?

Since when is camping gear the measure of anything other than hiking
and camping?

Pots and pans should not react to anything. Thus, the healthiest
cookware is Pyrex glass followed by ceramic.

Frying and frying pans are out in general. If you must fry, then use
the above or plain stainless steel with a health grade coconut oil.
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

I would very much avoid the coconut oil for a healthy lifestyle. Peanut is
very good, as has the highest smoke point. Why it is the only oil used in
frying on submarines.

Calif Bill said:

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Zix said:

Hi all,

I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
interesting because it is very lightweight, but
also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
in actuality?

Since when is camping gear the measure of anything other than hiking
and camping?

Pots and pans should not react to anything. Thus, the healthiest
cookware is Pyrex glass followed by ceramic.

Frying and frying pans are out in general. If you must fry, then use
the above or plain stainless steel with a health grade coconut oil.
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

I would very much avoid the coconut oil for a healthy lifestyle. Peanut is
very good, as has the highest smoke point. Why it is the only oil used in
frying on submarines.

You wouldn't use peanut oil to clean machinery if you knew just how bad
that stuff is for your health.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/home/lifestyle-interventions.html

WTF is a "compurt" and a "clooged"?

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Is that the Alcan webste or yours?
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You are that clooged, or just willfully ignorant, aren't you? I
gave you the reference on where to check, I guess you don't know
how to use your compurt any better than you can read real data,
huh?

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> ASA only contains aluminum in ther Alzheimer ridden USA.
>
> It is a blood brain barrier clogger.
==================
And the excuse for your brain being clogged is......

I suggest you read up on actual alzheimer research and what
the
Alzheimer's Association says, and quit getting your info from
chicken-little... Besides, what would you use in place of
that
foil you wrap your head in to keep the 'bad stuff' out?

>
> "rick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> "MTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> > Zix wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
>> >> selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
>> >> some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
>> >> interesting because it is very lightweight, but
>> >> also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
>> >> to use for health reasons.
>> >>
>> >> But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
>> >> in actuality?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Did I miss something? Why would aluminum be toxic?
>> > ===========================
>> It's another in the growing list of 'the sky is falling'
>> scare
>> tactics.
>> They'll also tell you to stop taking aspirin and antacids,
>> since
>> those cantain far more aluminum than you'll ever get from a
>> pot.
>> The FDA treats anything that can leach into food from any
>> containers to be an additive. They don't consider aluminum
>> as
>> such.
>>
>> > MTV
>>
>>
>
>

Totally agree with y'all there.

My dad could lick your mom with her hands tied behind her back!

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Thank you, for this bit of sanity.

Oh yeah? My grandfather worked in a zinc smelter and breathed smoke

all day,

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ate everything fried in butter, and had bacon every day,

chain-smoked, drank

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like a fish, and died at... 28.
Nevermind.

Cans used to be steel and with lead solder seams. People were becoming
retarded, in many cases, from lead poisoning, similar to some of
ignorant young'uns here, and they had to change materials.

Never buy canned good from countries without food standards.

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aluminum cansa re more often than not lined with some type of

varnish

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but the little point in which you open the can exposes freshly bare
aluminum which the beverage is poured through so just about every

drop

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is exposed to raw aluminum

if you fear titanium make sure you check the ingredients in your
toothpaste

Seems like they make titanium body parts.
I wonder if aluminum cans have always been lined.
They didn't used to use aluminum for beer cans.
Of course here in Pittsburgh, Iron City beer also comes
in aluminum bottles. I never took one apart. Supposed to keep beer

cooler!

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This same company used to make most of the Samuel Adams.

Green olives comes in glass jars and black olives comes
in cans. A DJ said this today.
Perhaps the acedic nature of green olive packing?

greg

But the price of fresh, conjugated water is not really the issue and
sodium chloride is next to the apples seedlings on the moose's bark.

Blah...blah...blah.

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Solar Flare said:

I have never seen magnesium, sodium, potasium, zinc or any other

of

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the elements made into cookware.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Zinc and, to a lesser

extent,

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magnesium are sometimes added to the metals used in making cookware.

If

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you've never seen iron or copper cookware, you *really* haven't been
paying attention. And folks frequently add magnesium, sodium,

potassium,

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calcium, iron, zinc, and iodine to their foods, so whether their
cookware is made of any of these is irrelevant.

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These metals all exist but are not related to the discussion.

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Hi Solar;

Solar Flare wrote:

> Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.

> Aluminum has been related to Alzheimers disease.
> Other metals have been associated to almost every
> other form of nervous system and immune system
> diseases and syndromes.

Sure, but not all metals are to be avoided, some
are beneficial.
For instance:
1. Hydrogen is a major component of our bodies.
2. Lithium keeps us from going nuts.
3. Sodium makes things taste salty.
4. Magnesium is used in water softeners.
5. Potassium is used in our cells to transport energy.
6. Calcium is in our bones.
7. Titanium is used in medical implants.
8. Iron makes us strong.
9. Copper is healthy, at least according to those
who have the bracelets.
10. Zinc is in antiperspirant.
11. Iodine is required to prevent certain deficiency
diseases.
12. Platinum is used in medical implants.
13. Gold is used is dental implants. And certain
medicines.
14. Thallium is required for certain brain functions.

These are just off the top of my head.
Of course we have to be careful with quantities.
Even dihydrogenmonoxide can kill you in large
quantities.

Aluminum is everywhere. We eat many pounds of the stuff
each year. Mainly Aluminum Oxide in the form of clay.
The tiny quantity obtained from cookware is vanishingly
small compared to how much we get from "natural" sources.

> Mercury content (thimersol), approved by the FDA as
> a preservative, in your US vaccines has been also
> related to many deaths and immune system disorders.

True but that is not aluminum.

Duane

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Tell the dead ones.

Tell the US government that they don't need to set aside 10 billion
dollars a year for vaccine damage payouts.

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The science doesn't matter. The public perception is more important.

The

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fact that metallic murcury is inert in the body doesn't seem to

count.

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Coconut oil is very healthy for you as it doesn't degrade until very
high temperatures.

Transfats people. You know the new American hype?

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Calif Bill said:

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wrote in

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Zix wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
> selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
> some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
> interesting because it is very lightweight, but
> also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
> to use for health reasons.
>
> But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
> in actuality?

Since when is camping gear the measure of anything other than

hiking

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and camping?

Pots and pans should not react to anything. Thus, the

healthiest

Quoted message said:

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cookware is Pyrex glass followed by ceramic.

Frying and frying pans are out in general. If you must fry,

then use

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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the above or plain stainless steel with a health grade coconut

oil.

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--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

I would very much avoid the coconut oil for a healthy lifestyle.

Peanut is

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very good, as has the highest smoke point. Why it is the only oil

used in

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frying on submarines.

You wouldn't use peanut oil to clean machinery if you knew just how

bad

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that stuff is for your health.

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/home/lifestyle-interventions.html

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http://www.trufax.org/general/aluminum.html

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The thing about aluminum is that it is very reactive like the
other light metals. However, the pure aluminum reacts with the
oxygen in air to form a hard layer of aluminum oxide on the
surface. This layer is tight and does not allow additional
oxidation to occur. It is also very hard and nearly
indistructable. The hard oxide layer protects the aluminum from
getting into the material in an aluminum container. This is why
the aluminum pots and pans are OK to use for cooking or storing
such necessities as beer.

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
Amature chemist

--
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee

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aluminum cansa re more often than not lined with some type of varnish
but the little point in which you open the can exposes freshly bare
aluminum which the beverage is poured through so just about every drop
is exposed to raw aluminum

...snip...

That tear reacts immediately with the air to form oxide. No
beer touches aluminum, it only touches aluminum oxide.

The interesting experiment is to put some aluminum in an acid
(3N HCl will do) then scratch it. The reaction is
violent...depending on the acid strength. It occurs very
quickly in air at room temperature.

--
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee

Solar Flare said:

http://www.trufax.org/general/aluminum.html

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The thing about aluminum is that it is very reactive like the
other light metals. However, the pure aluminum reacts with the
oxygen in air to form a hard layer of aluminum oxide on the
surface. This layer is tight and does not allow additional
oxidation to occur. It is also very hard and nearly
indistructable. The hard oxide layer protects the aluminum from
getting into the material in an aluminum container. This is why
the aluminum pots and pans are OK to use for cooking or storing
such necessities as beer.

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
Amature chemist

--
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee

Re: http://www.trufax.org/general/aluminum.html

"The page chosen is operated by the Leading Edge International
Research Group. By all indications, this seems to be an
organization dedicated to alternative philosophies and
practices, since they have commentaries on everything from
Organic Foods and Alternative Housing to Aliens and Space and
Quantum Energy/Physics. The key objective, as stated in one of
their homepages is "access to information designed to inform and
empower the planetary population as a public service, enabling
them to ask the right questions of the the right people in order
to gain evolving objectives, both for themselves and for the
planetary community as a whole." " from
"http://web.mit.edu/dumit/www/add2-ps-4.html"

The facts at the beginning of the article on aluminum are
correct. When they use the NY Times magazine as a referece for
scientific facts, I become suspicious of their motives.

Interesting point of view.
--
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee

Not the reason Alum cans became predominant. The can companies had to pay
for the goods when a "Tin" can leaked. The aluminum cans were a little move
expensive, but the lack of a side seam made for a lot less buy backs. So
the beer companies went aluminum as the can companies could sell them at a
cheaper overall cost.

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Cans used to be steel and with lead solder seams. People were becoming
retarded, in many cases, from lead poisoning, similar to some of
ignorant young'uns here, and they had to change materials.

Never buy canned good from countries without food standards.

"GregS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

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aluminum cansa re more often than not lined with some type of

varnish

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but the little point in which you open the can exposes freshly bare
aluminum which the beverage is poured through so just about every

drop

Quoted message said:

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is exposed to raw aluminum

if you fear titanium make sure you check the ingredients in your
toothpaste

Seems like they make titanium body parts.
I wonder if aluminum cans have always been lined.
They didn't used to use aluminum for beer cans.
Of course here in Pittsburgh, Iron City beer also comes
in aluminum bottles. I never took one apart. Supposed to keep beer

cooler!

Quoted message said:

This same company used to make most of the Samuel Adams.

Green olives comes in glass jars and black olives comes
in cans. A DJ said this today.
Perhaps the acedic nature of green olive packing?

greg

They didn't change to aluminum at that point and most still are steel

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Not the reason Alum cans became predominant. The can companies had

to pay

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for the goods when a "Tin" can leaked. The aluminum cans were a

little move

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expensive, but the lack of a side seam made for a lot less buy

backs. So

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the beer companies went aluminum as the can companies could sell

them at a

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cheaper overall cost.

"Solar Flare" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cans used to be steel and with lead solder seams. People were

becoming

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retarded, in many cases, from lead poisoning, similar to some of
ignorant young'uns here, and they had to change materials.

Never buy canned good from countries without food standards.

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In article

<[email hidden]>,

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>aluminum cansa re more often than not lined with some type of

varnish

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>but the little point in which you open the can exposes freshly

bare

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>aluminum which the beverage is poured through so just about

every

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drop

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>is exposed to raw aluminum
>
>if you fear titanium make sure you check the ingredients in your
>toothpaste
>

Seems like they make titanium body parts.
I wonder if aluminum cans have always been lined.
They didn't used to use aluminum for beer cans.
Of course here in Pittsburgh, Iron City beer also comes
in aluminum bottles. I never took one apart. Supposed to keep

beer

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cooler!

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This same company used to make most of the Samuel Adams.

Green olives comes in glass jars and black olives comes
in cans. A DJ said this today.
Perhaps the acedic nature of green olive packing?

greg

Is a link to a site run by nutcases supposed to impress anyone? I mean how
seriously can you take a site that pretends to be scientific and yet has
links for astrology, psychics, premonitions, psychotropic space weapons now
capable of directly manipulating global populations areas, anti-mind control
devices, and more stuff by your fellow nuts? That you would even have the
link to this site explains a lot about your insane posts that you made
previously.

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http://www.trufax.org/general/aluminum.html

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The thing about aluminum is that it is very reactive like the
other light metals. However, the pure aluminum reacts with the
oxygen in air to form a hard layer of aluminum oxide on the
surface. This layer is tight and does not allow additional
oxidation to occur. It is also very hard and nearly
indistructable. The hard oxide layer protects the aluminum from
getting into the material in an aluminum container. This is why
the aluminum pots and pans are OK to use for cooking or storing
such necessities as beer.

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
Amature chemist

--
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Beryllium is a whole 'nuther matter.

I hope nobody makes Beryllium cookware.
I cut myself on a Beryllium lathe shaving when I was a young man and the wound
took forever to heal.

Believe it or not, beryllium-containing alloys are sometimes used in dental
restorations. Why? Because they are cheaper than noble alloys and insurance
companies dictate to your dentist what materials to use.

You should see what a bit of that [censored] did to my wife's lungs. Just now I can
hear her coughing in another part of the house. There is no cure.

Vaughn

Insurance companies do not dictate any medical procedures.

Insurance companies pay for the recommended procedures dictated by the
Dental Surgeon's own boards and approval lists.

If your dentist is doing things that are not paid for then his own
asociation does not approve of them or it is specifically not covered
in the agreement.

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Beryllium is a whole 'nuther matter.

I hope nobody makes Beryllium cookware.
I cut myself on a Beryllium lathe shaving when I was a young man

and the wound

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took forever to heal.

Believe it or not, beryllium-containing alloys are sometimes

used in dental

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restorations. Why? Because they are cheaper than noble alloys and

insurance

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companies dictate to your dentist what materials to use.

You should see what a bit of that [censored] did to my wife's lungs.

Just now I can

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hear her coughing in another part of the house. There is no cure.

Vaughn