titanium cookware dangerous?

Zix said:

Hi all,

I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
interesting because it is very lightweight, but
also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
in actuality?

Thanks.

Did I miss something? Why would aluminum be toxic?

MTV

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Zix said:

Hi all,

I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
interesting because it is very lightweight, but
also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
in actuality?

Thanks.

Did I miss something? Why would aluminum be toxic?
===========================

It's another in the growing list of 'the sky is falling' scare
tactics.
They'll also tell you to stop taking aspirin and antacids, since
those cantain far more aluminum than you'll ever get from a pot.
The FDA treats anything that can leach into food from any
containers to be an additive. They don't consider aluminum as
such.

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MTV

ASA only contains aluminum in ther Alzheimer ridden USA.

It is a blood brain barrier clogger.

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Zix said:

Hi all,

I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
interesting because it is very lightweight, but
also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
in actuality?

Thanks.

Did I miss something? Why would aluminum be toxic?
===========================

It's another in the growing list of 'the sky is falling' scare
tactics.
They'll also tell you to stop taking aspirin and antacids, since
those cantain far more aluminum than you'll ever get from a pot.
The FDA treats anything that can leach into food from any
containers to be an additive. They don't consider aluminum as
such.

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MTV

Zix said:

also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

I know a guy who isn't a professional chef but is a phenominal cook who
knows his stuff - he shells out the $ for the aluminun. Plus we drink
beers and soda out of aluminum. We cook with stainless steel, cast
iron, others. Why would Aluminum be an issue? It's a metallic element.
An oven stove or campfire isn't going to change it's atomic structure
or anything.

Jim

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MTV said:

Did I miss something? Why would aluminum be toxic?

Many (15-20?) years ago, there was a widely publicized news story
linking aluminum to Alzheimer's disease. As a result, many people think
of aluminum as being extremely harmful to human health. It was later
found that the presence of aluminum in samples from Alzheimer's brain
tissues was the result of using powdered gloves (whereas the normal,
control samples were not handled using powdered gloves). Unfortunately,
as is often the case, the retraction/correction was not as widely
publicized as the initial report.
--
______________________________________________________________________________
Lou Hom >K'93
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http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/

Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.

Aluminum has been related to Alzheimers disease. Other metals have
been associated to almost every other form of nervous system and
immune system diseases and syndromes.

Mercury content (thimersol) , approved by the FDA as a preservative,
in your US vaccines has been also related to many deaths and immune
system disorders.

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Zix said:

also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

I know a guy who isn't a professional chef but is a phenominal cook

who

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knows his stuff - he shells out the $ for the aluminun. Plus we

drink

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beers and soda out of aluminum. We cook with stainless steel, cast
iron, others. Why would Aluminum be an issue? It's a metallic

element.

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An oven stove or campfire isn't going to change it's atomic

structure

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or anything.

Jim

http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/valentin.htm end of the article deals
with aluminum and Alzheimer's. The rest of it deal with aluminum and food.

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MTV said:

Did I miss something? Why would aluminum be toxic?

Many (15-20?) years ago, there was a widely publicized news story
linking aluminum to Alzheimer's disease. As a result, many people think
of aluminum as being extremely harmful to human health. It was later
found that the presence of aluminum in samples from Alzheimer's brain
tissues was the result of using powdered gloves (whereas the normal,
control samples were not handled using powdered gloves). Unfortunately,
as is often the case, the retraction/correction was not as widely
publicized as the initial report.
--
______________________________________________________________________________
Lou Hom >K'93
[email hidden]
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/

Solar Flare said:

Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.

No, they are not. At least not in Canada. Cut open any beer can or pop
can, and plastic you will not find.

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Aluminum has been related to Alzheimers disease. Other metals have
been associated to almost every other form of nervous system and
immune system diseases and syndromes.

Mercury content (thimersol) , approved by the FDA as a preservative,
in your US vaccines has been also related to many deaths and immune
system disorders.

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Zix said:

also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

I know a guy who isn't a professional chef but is a phenominal cook

who

Quoted message said:

knows his stuff - he shells out the $ for the aluminun. Plus we

drink

Quoted message said:

beers and soda out of aluminum. We cook with stainless steel, cast
iron, others. Why would Aluminum be an issue? It's a metallic

element.

Quoted message said:

An oven stove or campfire isn't going to change it's atomic

structure

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or anything.

Jim

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Zix said:

also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

I know a guy who isn't a professional chef but is a phenominal cook who
knows his stuff - he shells out the $ for the aluminun. Plus we drink
beers and soda out of aluminum. We cook with stainless steel, cast
iron, others.

I don't think Al is an issue, but just to be clear on one point. The
insides of soda and beer cans is *painted* with a coating to prevent the
beverage from touching the Al.

My brother, who works for one of the largest Al can manufacturers in the
world tells me it isn't because Al is dangerous, it's to avoid the Al from
affecting the taste.

daestrom
P.S. And a neighbor that is a VP of Novelus has shown me how the 'paint' is
burned off of recycled cans before being put in the melter for recycling.

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But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
in actuality?

Titanium is one of the most bio-compatible of all the non-precious metals.
That is why it is widely used in the human body for medical/dental implants.
Unless something wierd happens at high temperatures, I would be 100% comfortable
with titanium cookware (except for the price).

Beryllium is a whole 'nuther matter.

Vaughn

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ASA only contains aluminum in ther Alzheimer ridden USA.

It is a blood brain barrier clogger.

==================
And the excuse for your brain being clogged is......

I suggest you read up on actual alzheimer research and what the
Alzheimer's Association says, and quit getting your info from
chicken-little... Besides, what would you use in place of that
foil you wrap your head in to keep the 'bad stuff' out?

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Zix wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
> selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
> some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
> interesting because it is very lightweight, but
> also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
> to use for health reasons.
>
> But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
> in actuality?
>
> Thanks.
>

Did I miss something? Why would aluminum be toxic?
===========================

It's another in the growing list of 'the sky is falling' scare
tactics.
They'll also tell you to stop taking aspirin and antacids,
since
those cantain far more aluminum than you'll ever get from a
pot.
The FDA treats anything that can leach into food from any
containers to be an additive. They don't consider aluminum as
such.

Quoted message said:

MTV

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Beryllium is a whole 'nuther matter.

Vaughn

I hope nobody makes Beryllium cookware.
I cut myself on a Beryllium lathe shaving when I was a young man and the
wound took forever to heal.
Tom

Without reading any further, I would like to say this:

My grandfather worked in an aluminum smelting plant for damn near 48
years, he lived and breathed aluminum, and in his spare time his hobby was
melting lead and making fishing lures and sinkers. All this time he smoked 2
packs a day and ate bacon and pork and grilled (WELL DONE) steaks. He stayed
out in the sun all day fishing and camping. He died naturally of age at 80.
He did not have altzhimers (sp) or did he die of cancer. His last words to
me were "Your a good boy, I love you" My grandmother who NEVER smoked and
never worked at the age of 83 has altzhimers and at this point in time has
no idea who I am.

There is a lot of chicken littles out there and it seems this week that
grilling you food causes cancer. I say live life live every day as if it is
your last, By this I don't mean be reckless with your life. I save money and
enjoy my life with my child all that I can , because who knows that big ole
bus just might not have its brakes as you cross the street!

Searcher

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Solar Flare said:

Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.

No, they are not. At least not in Canada. Cut open any beer can or pop
can, and plastic you will not find.

Look closely, and you will find a thin clear coating of polyurethane. After
you cut it open, scratch the inside with a knife. Ball can manufactures
cans around the world and 'paints' both the inside and exterior of cans for
almost all the major beverage companies. (brother has worked in Ball's
engineering division for quite a few years)

It is done for both for taste preservation, and in the case of some products
like Coca-Cola and Pepsi, to protect the Al from the corrosive nature of the
beverage.

daestrom

Shopdog said:

Without reading any further, I would like to say this:

My grandfather worked in an aluminum smelting plant for damn near 48
years, he lived and breathed aluminum, and in his spare time his hobby was
melting lead and making fishing lures and sinkers. All this time he smoked 2
packs a day and ate bacon and pork and grilled (WELL DONE) steaks. He stayed
out in the sun all day fishing and camping. He died naturally of age at 80.
He did not have altzhimers (sp) or did he die of cancer. His last words to
me were "Your a good boy, I love you" My grandmother who NEVER smoked and
never worked at the age of 83 has altzhimers and at this point in time has
no idea who I am.

There is a lot of chicken littles out there and it seems this week that
grilling you food causes cancer. I say live life live every day as if it is
your last, By this I don't mean be reckless with your life. I save money and
enjoy my life with my child all that I can , because who knows that big ole
bus just might not have its brakes as you cross the street!

Searcher

Thank you, for this bit of sanity.

Solar Flare said:

Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.

Aluminum has been related to Alzheimers disease. Other metals have
been associated to almost every other form of nervous system and
immune system diseases and syndromes.

Mercury content (thimersol) , approved by the FDA as a preservative,
in your US vaccines has been also related to many deaths and immune
system disorders.

Since only living things get sick or die, the correct course of
action would be to eliminate LIFE. Then none of these problems would
exist. 🙂

Grab a brain!

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daestrom@NO_SPAM_HEREtwcny.rr.com said:

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Solar Flare said:

Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.

No, they are not. At least not in Canada. Cut open any beer can or pop
can, and plastic you will not find.

Look closely, and you will find a thin clear coating of polyurethane...

It is done for both for taste preservation, and in the case of some products
like Coca-Cola and Pepsi, to protect the Al from the corrosive nature of the
beverage.

daestrom

YES, The Corrosive Nature of the Beverage...or the ability of Al to be
corroded!

Take the aluminum taste test:

Take a teaspoon of baking soda and boil it up in 8 oz of water in a
glass pot. Let it cool. That's your control. Do the same in an aluminum
pot or any other metal or lined pot for that matter. Let it cool. Taste
a difference between them. If there is no difference you have nothing
to be concerned about. If there is a difference then something else is
in your water! Mind you, baking soda is NOT acidic. What's happening
when you cook something acidic like tomato sauce, or coffee from an
aluminum pot??? I don't know about you, but I'm not going there!

Rocco

Is that the Alcan webste or yours?

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ASA only contains aluminum in ther Alzheimer ridden USA.

It is a blood brain barrier clogger.

==================
And the excuse for your brain being clogged is......

I suggest you read up on actual alzheimer research and what the
Alzheimer's Association says, and quit getting your info from
chicken-little... Besides, what would you use in place of that
foil you wrap your head in to keep the 'bad stuff' out?

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> Zix wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
>> selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
>> some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
>> interesting because it is very lightweight, but
>> also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
>> to use for health reasons.
>>
>> But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
>> in actuality?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> Did I miss something? Why would aluminum be toxic?
> ===========================
It's another in the growing list of 'the sky is falling' scare
tactics.
They'll also tell you to stop taking aspirin and antacids,
since
those cantain far more aluminum than you'll ever get from a
pot.
The FDA treats anything that can leach into food from any
containers to be an additive. They don't consider aluminum as
such.

> MTV

As the Insurance Company statistics say Your natural life expectancy
is 85% based on how old your father lived, Purely genetics. This is
why your father died so early.

I can see the aluminum has already taken it's toll with you making
those ridiculous statements.

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Without reading any further, I would like to say this:

My grandfather worked in an aluminum smelting plant for damn

near 48

Quoted message said:

years, he lived and breathed aluminum, and in his spare time his

hobby was

Quoted message said:

melting lead and making fishing lures and sinkers. All this time he

smoked 2

Quoted message said:

packs a day and ate bacon and pork and grilled (WELL DONE) steaks.

He stayed

Quoted message said:

out in the sun all day fishing and camping. He died naturally of age

at 80.

Quoted message said:

He did not have altzhimers (sp) or did he die of cancer. His last

words to

Quoted message said:

me were "Your a good boy, I love you" My grandmother who NEVER

smoked and

Quoted message said:

never worked at the age of 83 has altzhimers and at this point in

time has

Quoted message said:

no idea who I am.

There is a lot of chicken littles out there and it seems this week

that

Quoted message said:

grilling you food causes cancer. I say live life live every day as

if it is

Quoted message said:

your last, By this I don't mean be reckless with your life. I save

money and

Quoted message said:

enjoy my life with my child all that I can , because who knows that

big ole

Quoted message said:

bus just might not have its brakes as you cross the street!

Searcher