titanium cookware dangerous?

Take an old stew in a container and place some aluminum foil on top of
it for a week and see how much aluminum is left. YUMM

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>Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.
>

No, they are not. At least not in Canada. Cut open any beer can

or pop

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can, and plastic you will not find.

Look closely, and you will find a thin clear coating of

polyurethane...

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It is done for both for taste preservation, and in the case of

some products

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like Coca-Cola and Pepsi, to protect the Al from the corrosive

nature of the

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beverage.

daestrom

YES, The Corrosive Nature of the Beverage...or the ability of Al to

be

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corroded!

Take the aluminum taste test:

Take a teaspoon of baking soda and boil it up in 8 oz of water in a
glass pot. Let it cool. That's your control. Do the same in an

aluminum

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pot or any other metal or lined pot for that matter. Let it cool.

Taste

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a difference between them. If there is no difference you have

nothing

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to be concerned about. If there is a difference then something else

is

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in your water! Mind you, baking soda is NOT acidic. What's happening
when you cook something acidic like tomato sauce, or coffee from an
aluminum pot??? I don't know about you, but I'm not going there!

Rocco

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But my question is, is titanium any less toxic

Yup, deadly poison to humans. That's why it is used it in almost all
metal body part replacements. Dentists use posts that anchor into the
gums, doctors use it to bolt knees/ankles/hips et al in place.

They are trying to kill us off once they have been paid for the process
so we can't sue if it doesn't work. It IS a conspiracy. Don't fall for
it, stick to using enameled steel plates.

Think about it dude and discover google. DUH!

Maybe you need a bit of Zix on your brain.

Dave

Hi Solar;

Solar Flare said:

Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.

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Aluminum has been related to Alzheimers disease.
Other metals have been associated to almost every
other form of nervous system and immune system
diseases and syndromes.

Sure, but not all metals are to be avoided, some
are beneficial.
For instance:
1. Hydrogen is a major component of our bodies.
2. Lithium keeps us from going nuts.
3. Sodium makes things taste salty.
4. Magnesium is used in water softeners.
5. Potassium is used in our cells to transport energy.
6. Calcium is in our bones.
7. Titanium is used in medical implants.
8. Iron makes us strong.
9. Copper is healthy, at least according to those
who have the bracelets.
10. Zinc is in antiperspirant.
11. Iodine is required to prevent certain deficiency
diseases.
12. Platinum is used in medical implants.
13. Gold is used is dental implants. And certain
medicines.
14. Thallium is required for certain brain functions.

These are just off the top of my head.
Of course we have to be careful with quantities.
Even dihydrogenmonoxide can kill you in large
quantities.

Aluminum is everywhere. We eat many pounds of the stuff
each year. Mainly Aluminum Oxide in the form of clay.
The tiny quantity obtained from cookware is vanishingly
small compared to how much we get from "natural" sources.

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Mercury content (thimersol), approved by the FDA as
a preservative, in your US vaccines has been also
related to many deaths and immune system disorders.

True but that is not aluminum.

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At least one study that I am aware of linked it to dementia. That
point of view got a lot of press but nothing since has maintained the
connection as far as I am aware.

I avoid aluminum cookware as a rule, its not a metal that the body has
any use for and chemically it reacts very similarly to copper and iron.
That means that it is likley to compete for active sites in emzymes
that require iron or copper. Most likely the effect is undetectably
small but why bother with it. I use cast iron almost exclusivley as
it adds iron to my food, a useful thing for me since I have a relativly
small meat intake.

Like hydrolized protein or hydrogenated fats, I have known too many
chemists and worked for too many chemical companies to find the
benifits of aluminum cookware worth anything.

I have never seen magnesium, sodium, potasium, zinc or any other of
the elements made into cookware.

These metals all exist but are not related to the discussion.

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Hi Solar;

Solar Flare said:

Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.

Quoted message said:

Aluminum has been related to Alzheimers disease.
Other metals have been associated to almost every
other form of nervous system and immune system
diseases and syndromes.

Sure, but not all metals are to be avoided, some
are beneficial.
For instance:
1. Hydrogen is a major component of our bodies.
2. Lithium keeps us from going nuts.
3. Sodium makes things taste salty.
4. Magnesium is used in water softeners.
5. Potassium is used in our cells to transport energy.
6. Calcium is in our bones.
7. Titanium is used in medical implants.
8. Iron makes us strong.
9. Copper is healthy, at least according to those
who have the bracelets.
10. Zinc is in antiperspirant.
11. Iodine is required to prevent certain deficiency
diseases.
12. Platinum is used in medical implants.
13. Gold is used is dental implants. And certain
medicines.
14. Thallium is required for certain brain functions.

These are just off the top of my head.
Of course we have to be careful with quantities.
Even dihydrogenmonoxide can kill you in large
quantities.

Aluminum is everywhere. We eat many pounds of the stuff
each year. Mainly Aluminum Oxide in the form of clay.
The tiny quantity obtained from cookware is vanishingly
small compared to how much we get from "natural" sources.

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Mercury content (thimersol), approved by the FDA as
a preservative, in your US vaccines has been also
related to many deaths and immune system disorders.

True but that is not aluminum.

Duane

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Zix said:

Hi all,

I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
interesting because it is very lightweight, but
also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
in actuality?

Thanks.

The thing about aluminum is that it is very reactive like the
other light metals. However, the pure aluminum reacts with the
oxygen in air to form a hard layer of aluminum oxide on the
surface. This layer is tight and does not allow additional
oxidation to occur. It is also very hard and nearly
indistructable. The hard oxide layer protects the aluminum from
getting into the material in an aluminum container. This is why
the aluminum pots and pans are OK to use for cooking or storing
such necessities as beer.

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
Amature chemist

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Is that the Alcan webste or yours?
=============================

You are that clooged, or just willfully ignorant, aren't you? I
gave you the reference on where to check, I guess you don't know
how to use your compurt any better than you can read real data,
huh?

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ASA only contains aluminum in ther Alzheimer ridden USA.

It is a blood brain barrier clogger.

==================
And the excuse for your brain being clogged is......

I suggest you read up on actual alzheimer research and what
the
Alzheimer's Association says, and quit getting your info from
chicken-little... Besides, what would you use in place of
that
foil you wrap your head in to keep the 'bad stuff' out?

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> "MTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Zix wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
> >> selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
> >> some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
> >> interesting because it is very lightweight, but
> >> also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
> >> to use for health reasons.
> >>
> >> But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
> >> in actuality?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >
> > Did I miss something? Why would aluminum be toxic?
> > ===========================
> It's another in the growing list of 'the sky is falling'
> scare
> tactics.
> They'll also tell you to stop taking aspirin and antacids,
> since
> those cantain far more aluminum than you'll ever get from a
> pot.
> The FDA treats anything that can leach into food from any
> containers to be an additive. They don't consider aluminum
> as
> such.
>
> > MTV
>
>

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Is that the Alcan webste or yours?

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ASA only contains aluminum in ther Alzheimer ridden USA.

It is a blood brain barrier clogger.

==================
And the excuse for your brain being clogged is......

I suggest you read up on actual alzheimer research and what the
Alzheimer's Association says, and quit getting your info from
chicken-little... Besides, what would you use in place of that
foil you wrap your head in to keep the 'bad stuff' out?

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> "MTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Zix wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
> >> selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
> >> some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
> >> interesting because it is very lightweight, but
> >> also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
> >> to use for health reasons.
> >>
> >> But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
> >> in actuality?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >
> > Did I miss something? Why would aluminum be toxic?
> > ===========================
> It's another in the growing list of 'the sky is falling' scare
> tactics.
> They'll also tell you to stop taking aspirin and antacids,
> since
> those cantain far more aluminum than you'll ever get from a
> pot.
> The FDA treats anything that can leach into food from any
> containers to be an additive. They don't consider aluminum as
> such.
>
> > MTV

Everything is toxic. Just face it. Wrap yourself in hypoallergenic cotton
and get your babyfood through a tube.

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Shopdog said:

Without reading any further, I would like to say this:

My grandfather worked in an aluminum smelting plant for damn near 48
years, he lived and breathed aluminum, and in his spare time his hobby
was melting lead and making fishing lures and sinkers. All this time he
smoked 2 packs a day and ate bacon and pork and grilled (WELL DONE)
steaks. He stayed out in the sun all day fishing and camping. He died
naturally of age at 80. He did not have altzhimers (sp) or did he die of
cancer. His last words to me were "Your a good boy, I love you" My
grandmother who NEVER smoked and never worked at the age of 83 has
altzhimers and at this point in time has no idea who I am.

There is a lot of chicken littles out there and it seems this week that
grilling you food causes cancer. I say live life live every day as if it
is your last, By this I don't mean be reckless with your life. I save
money and enjoy my life with my child all that I can , because who knows
that big ole bus just might not have its brakes as you cross the street!

Searcher

Thank you, for this bit of sanity.

Oh yeah? My grandfather worked in a zinc smelter and breathed smoke all day,
ate everything fried in butter, and had bacon every day, chain-smoked, drank
like a fish, and died at... 28.
Nevermind.

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Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.

Aluminum has been related to Alzheimers disease. Other metals have
been associated to almost every other form of nervous system and
immune system diseases and syndromes.

Mercury content (thimersol) , approved by the FDA as a preservative,
in your US vaccines has been also related to many deaths and immune
system disorders.

The science doesn't matter. The public perception is more important. The
fact that metallic murcury is inert in the body doesn't seem to count.

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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:48:01 -0400, "Solar Flare"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.
>

No, they are not. At least not in Canada. Cut open any beer can or pop
can, and plastic you will not find.

Look closely, and you will find a thin clear coating of polyurethane...

It is done for both for taste preservation, and in the case of some
products
like Coca-Cola and Pepsi, to protect the Al from the corrosive nature of
the
beverage.

daestrom

YES, The Corrosive Nature of the Beverage...or the ability of Al to be
corroded!

Take the aluminum taste test:

Take a teaspoon of baking soda and boil it up in 8 oz of water in a
glass pot. Let it cool. That's your control. Do the same in an aluminum
pot or any other metal or lined pot for that matter. Let it cool. Taste
a difference between them. If there is no difference you have nothing
to be concerned about. If there is a difference then something else is
in your water! Mind you, baking soda is NOT acidic. What's happening
when you cook something acidic like tomato sauce, or coffee from an
aluminum pot??? I don't know about you, but I'm not going there!

Rocco

All you need to do is compare the taste of beer in a can to beer in a
bottle.

aluminum cansa re more often than not lined with some type of varnish
but the little point in which you open the can exposes freshly bare
aluminum which the beverage is poured through so just about every drop
is exposed to raw aluminum

if you fear titanium make sure you check the ingredients in your
toothpaste

<snip>

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The thing about aluminum is that it is very reactive like the other
light metals. However, the pure aluminum reacts with the oxygen in air
to form a hard layer of aluminum oxide on the surface. This layer is
tight and does not allow additional oxidation to occur. It is also very
hard and nearly indistructable. The hard oxide layer protects the
aluminum from getting into the material in an aluminum container. This
is why the aluminum pots and pans are OK to use for cooking or storing
such necessities as beer.

Actually such things of beer and soft drinks come in cans that are
coated inside with a type of food grade laquer or varnish type
substance...... (it probably causes cancer too!)

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Amature chemist

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I hear getting hit over the head with an Aluminum fry pan is also bad
for your health.

Solar flare - please - you're the one who brought Mercury in as an
example - duh - it's a liquid. What do you cook with? A rock and a
stick?

Does anyone know when the Iron Age (metal use) started or when a
metallic element was 1st used in preparing meals. BTW, besides
Titanium, Aluminum is one of the strongest metals.

Jim

Solar Flare said:

I have never seen magnesium, sodium, potasium, zinc or any other of
the elements made into cookware.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Zinc and, to a lesser extent,
magnesium are sometimes added to the metals used in making cookware. If
you've never seen iron or copper cookware, you *really* haven't been
paying attention. And folks frequently add magnesium, sodium, potassium,
calcium, iron, zinc, and iodine to their foods, so whether their
cookware is made of any of these is irrelevant.

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These metals all exist but are not related to the discussion.

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Quoted message said:

Hi Solar;

Solar Flare said:

Aluminum cans are plastic lined on the inside.

Quoted message said:

Aluminum has been related to Alzheimers disease.
Other metals have been associated to almost every
other form of nervous system and immune system
diseases and syndromes.

Sure, but not all metals are to be avoided, some
are beneficial.
For instance:
1. Hydrogen is a major component of our bodies.
2. Lithium keeps us from going nuts.
3. Sodium makes things taste salty.
4. Magnesium is used in water softeners.
5. Potassium is used in our cells to transport energy.
6. Calcium is in our bones.
7. Titanium is used in medical implants.
8. Iron makes us strong.
9. Copper is healthy, at least according to those
who have the bracelets.
10. Zinc is in antiperspirant.
11. Iodine is required to prevent certain deficiency
diseases.
12. Platinum is used in medical implants.
13. Gold is used is dental implants. And certain
medicines.
14. Thallium is required for certain brain functions.

These are just off the top of my head.
Of course we have to be careful with quantities.
Even dihydrogenmonoxide can kill you in large
quantities.

Aluminum is everywhere. We eat many pounds of the stuff
each year. Mainly Aluminum Oxide in the form of clay.
The tiny quantity obtained from cookware is vanishingly
small compared to how much we get from "natural" sources.

Quoted message said:

Mercury content (thimersol), approved by the FDA as
a preservative, in your US vaccines has been also
related to many deaths and immune system disorders.

True but that is not aluminum.

Duane

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John Andrews said:

Zix said:

Hi all,

I've noticed that at camping stores now they are
selling titanium cookware, sometimes coated with
some kind of enamel, but often not. It looks
interesting because it is very lightweight, but
also because it is not aluminum which is dangerous
to use for health reasons.

But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
in actuality?

Thanks.

The thing about aluminum is that it is very reactive like the other
light metals. However, the pure aluminum reacts with the oxygen in air
to form a hard layer of aluminum oxide on the surface. This layer is
tight and does not allow additional oxidation to occur. It is also very
hard and nearly indistructable. The hard oxide layer protects the
aluminum from getting into the material in an aluminum container. This
is why the aluminum pots and pans are OK to use for cooking or storing
such necessities as beer.

Still, it's generally best to avoid cooking highly acidic foods in
aluminum unless it's anodized -- I don't think aluminum oxide stands up
to acid very well -- and if you heat water in aluminum you should wait
until it boils to salt it (otherwise you can pit the pot).

I wouldn't worry about the safety of titanium, but I'm not sure how I
would like such a light pan. Though I can see how that would be an
advantage to someone hiking and camping....

In article said:

aluminum cansa re more often than not lined with some type of varnish
but the little point in which you open the can exposes freshly bare
aluminum which the beverage is poured through so just about every drop
is exposed to raw aluminum

if you fear titanium make sure you check the ingredients in your
toothpaste

Seems like they make titanium body parts.
I wonder if aluminum cans have always been lined.
They didn't used to use aluminum for beer cans.
Of course here in Pittsburgh, Iron City beer also comes
in aluminum bottles. I never took one apart. Supposed to keep beer cooler!
This same company used to make most of the Samuel Adams.

Green olives comes in glass jars and black olives comes
in cans. A DJ said this today.
Perhaps the acedic nature of green olive packing?

greg

Kernix said:

I hear getting hit over the head with an Aluminum fry pan is also bad
for your health.

Solar flare - please - you're the one who brought Mercury in as an
example - duh - it's a liquid. What do you cook with? A rock and a
stick?

Does anyone know when the Iron Age (metal use) started or when a
metallic element was 1st used in preparing meals. BTW, besides
Titanium, Aluminum is one of the strongest metals.

Jim

Cast iron cookware was the first. Used in the 14th century BC by the Hittite
Empire. Still used today because of it's even cooking and staying hot
longer. But the lazy peoples of today do not know how to maintain cast iron
cooking implements and they rust on them and make the food taste like, well
iron and rust.

Vaughn Simon said:

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But my question is, is titanium any less toxic
in actuality?

Titanium is one of the most bio-compatible of all the non-precious
metals.
That is why it is widely used in the human body for medical/dental
implants. Unless something wierd happens at high temperatures, I would be
100% comfortable with titanium cookware (except for the price).

Beryllium is a whole 'nuther matter.

Vaughn

They use molybdenum for knives and it would make great cookware. It is very
hard and resistant to eroding.

Tom Biasi said:

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Beryllium is a whole 'nuther matter.

Vaughn

I hope nobody makes Beryllium cookware.
I cut myself on a Beryllium lathe shaving when I was a young man and the
wound took forever to heal.
Tom

That's probably because you have diabetes.