Joshua,
No that wasn't a typo..... sole as in your shoe..... ;-)
Restraining order, Nahhhh wouldn't do any good as I'll be passing him on the North Branch Trail in
close proximity this season.
Ed
Joshua Goldberg wrote:
> May G-D have mercy on your sole??...isn't that a Fish?? Ed, ever thought about getting a
> "restraining order" from the courts. Like one that says if this guy comes anywhere near your mail
> slot or windshield he gets busted. As for suggesting the guy take Prozac...I think Prozac would
> just him smile more and be happier (while he is stalking you).
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "Ed Gin & Shirleen Kajiwara" <
[email protected]> wrote in message
>
news:[email protected]...
> > Enough said huh Jimmy, I think NOT!
> >
> > The general readership in this forum as well as the hpv list serve,
> alt.rec.bicycle.recumbent and
> > other recumbent news lists need to know what the real Jimmy is all about.
> I have kept my mouth
> > shut and ignored through a "kill file" and disposal of hand delivered
> messages for too many years.
> > Not once have I replied to you on the assumption the continuing barrage of
> e-mail and suspicious
> > hand delivered notes and letters in my mailbox would diminish. Therefore
> I am forced to air
> > YOUR "dirty laundry" once and for all.
> >
> > The issue of not letting go is first. Many years ago we parted company.
> Like I mentioned, it was over and
> > I essentially put the issue to rest. You OTOH, started a barrage of
> attacks on any email I would post on the
> > hpv list serve. Eventually your posts were censored and not allowed, do
> you recall? Bad, bad boy Jimmy!
> > Then I started receiving "hate e-mail" which initiated the "kill file for
> this correspondence," thank you Netscape!
> >
> > I presume because your electronic mail was bounced, you resorted to
> "stalking" me and attaching notes in
> > zip lock bags on my windshield and hand delivering messages to my mailbox.
> Perhaps the "Fatal Attraction"
> > people should hear of this. Please note that this scenario continued for
> many years, without a word, reply, or
> > comment from me about this on the net. I even had to explain to a dozen
> cyclists why you put that note on my
> > windshield and give them MY assessment of your reasoning. With time,
> sane individuals will let go and
> > depart company in a reasonable manner, something which you clearly can
> not do, though I recall a email
> > from you mentioning I was out of YOUR LIFE. Well, the subsequent actions
> clearly demonstrate you
> > still need me for whatever purpose as I have ignored you for years till
> now. Clearly you are in need of
> > professional help, perhaps your St. Johns Wart is not adequate? There is
> Prozac you know? Even the famous
> > Zach Kaplan mentioned that you were obsessed with complaining about me for
> hours at a time when he
> > on vacation riding with you. OTOH, at the end of my ride with him, he
> asked me why I didn't mention
> > ANYTHING about YOU. I casually mentioned many of us "wish him well on his
> retirement." Yeah Jimmy,
> > I did let go for many years, but it is due time to set the facts
> straight.
> >
> > Regarding me not posting my mileage for the 2002 year on my web site, I
> thought you'd be
> > happy not to see my best year in decades as the compiling of data from all
> over the world and updating
> > require a lot of effort and time maintaining the web page, something you
> have no idea of. Did you NOT notice
> > the compilation of data was to allow riders a place to list yearly
> accomplishments, experiences,
> > and opinions riding all types of hpv's including upwrongs contrary to you
> continuing insinuation
> > of alternative intentions?
> >
> > Your accusation of keeping tally of friends lost is ludicrous as there are
> hundreds in the hpv community
> > who know me and what I stand for. When one has so many friends, not
> everyone is going to agree with you
> > all the time. Such is the nature of human kind, something you'll NEVER
> have to be concerned about with
> > your circle of riding companions whom I can count on one hand.
> >
> > Regarding me bragging, tackle this one, I can imagine you're festering
> over my recent "good samaritan"
> > report saving a fellow upwrong cyclist's life in the 41 degree
> temperatures of Lake Michigan, huh?
> >
http://www.ihpva.org/pipermail/hpv/Week-of-Mon-20030414/030027.html
> >
> > And your continuous obsession and objection to my use of the "endearing"
> terms upwrong and wedgie, life
> > is full of choices, if you don't like like, deal with it. Perhaps start
> your own web site.
> >
> > And finally the issue of "integrity" has been brought up and you happily
> mentioned about
> > contributing MUCH to your community. What the law abiding citizens don't
> know is your escapades
> > and activity to maliciously plan and execute a plan of action destroying a
> neighbors principal
> > means of business and livelihood through the use of information gathered
> from a military manual
> > regarding how to stop the enemy. Though I will not air the details at
> this time, I wonder
> > if you have the intestinal fortitude to "explain why you pursued your
> course of action."
> > After all, we are discussing you integrity and reputation now aren't we?
> Heaven help you
> > if your victim ever finds out what you did! I take that back, what goes
> around comes around!
> >
> > In summary, you are an enigma of sorts, confused, hateful, and a
> pathetic example of the human
> > race. May God have mercy on your sole if there is one in the first place?
> >
> > A final word to the readers who have read this long OT post, I apologize
> if it offended you in anyway.
> > Perhaps there are a few of you who can sympathize with what I've put up
> with the last few years.
> > Thank goodness there are no Jimmy offspring, NOW you are providing a
> service to mankind.
> >
> > Ed - the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God - Gin
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > Jim McNamara wrote:
> >
> > > Ed,
> > >
> > > Like Fastboy, you conveniently ducked (purposefully avoided addressing) a number of issues
> > > that I raised. I'll let that speak for itslef.
> > >
> > > The facts ... by the numbers?
> > >
> > > 1. Yes, you terminated our friendhip via an email.
> > > 2. You wrote that you considered us to "have had NO friendship for quite a while" (your
> > > words). You never mentioned a possibility for reconcilition. You wrote that sometimes
> > > people have to go there separate ways. "Life goes on. Just Deal with it" (again your
> > > words), you wrote. I replied thatt you conspicioulsy demonstrated how little you valued
> > > our friendship by your obstinate reluctance to even consider the prospect of resolving our
> > > diffenerces.
> > > 3. You know me better than to think I was afraid to engage you in a face to face. You never
> > > indiated that you wanted one and frankly I didn't want really one anyways. I mean ...
> > > what's the point? It would have been a complete waste of time and you know it.
> > > 4. I have no reason to believe anything you have to say abouty the notes that I placed on you
> > > winshield or in an X-Mas card. Their purpose was to refute the lies that I heard you had
> > > been spreading about me which were rported to me by some of your riding companions. I just
> > > wanted it to stop, that's all. By the way how is it that they read anything after you
> > > destroyed it anyways?
> > > 5. You know I don't respond well to threats, but do you really expect me to oblige you on a
> > > public forum? I suppose it was only a matter of time before your vindictive nature reared
> > > its ugly head. You're really a class act. If anyone is really interested in any of this
> > > (doubtful actually), why wouldn't they ask me instead of getting your second hand, twisted
> > > version of a story. Would you tell them anything of the two years of criminal damage to
> > > property that I was subjected to (another one of your deliberate, convenient memory
> > > lapses)? Well, playing fair never was one of your strong suits. Hearsay is inadmissbale
> > > and without evidence to substantiate whatever you say, you'll be skating on some pretty
> > > thin legal ice yourself. Just a thought.
> > >
> > > I'm fed up with this arrogant and self-absorbed pair and their unrestrained and enormously
> > > distended sense of self-importance. I have expended entirely too much time and energy on the
> > > both of them and I suspect that the readership is probably sick an tired of this "airing of
> > > dirty laundry" from both sides. I am willing to accept responsibility for my part in it, and
> > > extend my apology. Enough said.
> > >
> > > Jim McNamara
> > >
> > > Ed Gin & Shirleen Kajiwara <
[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<
[email protected]>...
> > > > OK,
> > > >
> > > > Time to set the facts straight.....
> > > >
> > > > Several years ago, it was I whom wrote to you terminating our friendship via email. And I
> > > > emphasized I would welcome a face to face meeting or even a phone call to discuss our
> > > > differences. You emailed
> back
> > > > specifying those two options were not acceptable as you can write
> better????
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps you were afraid to engage in a two way exchange face to face?
> > > >
> > > > BTW, for the ensuing YEARS you were obsessed with continuing with sending me your string of
> > > > emails crying about my posts on the net.
> Why you even
> > > > put letters in zip lock bags on my windshield in addition to sending
> me Xmas cards with
> > > > no return addresses hoping I'd read your dribble. Just to let you
> know, many riders
> > > > saw that silly note you left on my windshield which was destroyed as
> soon as I read
> > > > the first few words. The consensual opinion of the riders was you
> were and are a nut.
> > > > Unfortunately I had to field their many inquiries why you are the way
> you appear. The
> > > > final conclusion is always the same, we all hoped you well in your
> retirement years.
> > > >
> > > > Integrity is an issue you shouldn't even bring up. There are things
> you have done
> > > > which is "criminal" and could be prosecuted in a court of law. And
> you
> > > > were stupid enough to brag about them to many of your neighbors and
> friends. Remember
> > > > I said SOMEDAY what you say may come back to haunt you?
> > > >
> > > > Are you ready to divulge to the public what you have done to destroy
> someone's
> > > > means of income and livelihood? Or perhaps should I?
> > > >
> > > > Yeah Jimmy, you are one fine person of upstanding stature in your
> neighborhood....NOT
> > > > I'm waiting for you to divulge your "reasoning" for "criminal
> behavior!"
> > > >
> > > > BTW, there are many whom "know" about this incident! And all agreed
> you should have
> > > > been prosecuted to the full extent of the law!
> > > >
> > > > Jimmy, try to EXPLAIN yourself out of this........OR PERHAPS YOU
> BETTER
> > > > KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT as it would be a clear admission to your behavior
> and
> > > > the information and facts will be forwarded to the victim for him to
> prosecute you!
> > > >
> > > > BTW, if anyone wants to know what Jimmy did, just ask me IN PERSON!
> > > >
> > > > Ed - just presenting the facts - Gin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim McNamara wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ed,
> > > > >
> > > > > Allow me to preface my remarks by stating that your constant distortion of the truth
> > > > > renders much of what you have to say as suspect. Your rhetoric is ripe with equivocation.
> > > > > Let me help you with that one, Ed. Equivocation is falsification by employing language
> > > > > that is intentionally vague or ambiguous. You have
> mastered
> > > > > of equivocation to eether mislead or avoid an unpleasant truth. You have managed to
> > > > > deceive some people. I just happen not to be one of them. With that said, I'll address the
> > > > > twisted notions that you attempted to pass off as dogma, accorigin to Ed. OK, I'll help
> > > > > you with that one too. Dogma is a doctrine accepted as authoritative without any
> > > > > requirement of proof. This is precisely what you demand from everyone whenever you open
> > > > > you big mouth isn't it? As concerns my favorite pastime, I'll admit that when I first
> > > > > built up my bikes
> I
> > > > > was understandably enthused about, I was proud of what I had accomplished and yes, I did
> > > > > initially talk quite a bit about them,
> and
> > > > > yes ... their weight and their cost, but also their components,
> wheel
> > > > > building, etc., but this was more often than not in direct response
> to
> > > > > an inquiry. What's the crime in that? I recall you doing much the same and never thought
> > > > > poorly of you for doing so. Even your
> website
> > > > > had topics devoted to your bikes. As far as "USED" to ride with, my main "USED" to ride
> > > > > with "world class" training partner stopped
> riding
> > > > > for a while after he retired from the pro ranks and then he moved, a fact that you know
> > > > > and conveniently (read deliberately) omitted. Deceit ... you do love it so don't you? Have
> > > > > you no sense of fair play? Now, lets not even get into ego or bragging, shall we. I'll
> > > > > concede immediately knowing full well that I cannot begin to compete with you in that
> > > > > particular arena. When it comes to ego and
> bragging,
> > > > > nobody does is better Ed Gin. As concerns our North Branch trail encounters, I do my best
> > > > > to ignore you, but I recall having seen you
> 4
> > > > > times. Only once was I stopped having a conversation with two cyclists at my day's
> > > > > designated turnaround point. You also stopped
> to
> > > > > engage these same two cyclists in conversation and immediately went
> on
> > > > > and one about your previous days cycling exploits. I rest my case. As concern "past"
> > > > > friends, you needn't fabricate rhetoric for them. No one I know talks remotely like that
> > > > > except you. As concerns the number of past friends, in the past five years, I have parted
> company
> > > > > with two people, one being you and the other is someone we have in common and he recently
> > > > > called me and expressed his desire to ride
> with
> > > > > me again. By the way, he had some unpleasant things to say about
> you,
> > > > > as did another riding companion that linked up with yesterday. You like to throw out
> > > > > numbers. I'd suggest that if we were to count who has lost more friends in the past five
> > > > > years, you know very well how the numbers would play out, so why do you persist in
> > > > > publicly
> setting
> > > > > yourself up for embarrassment yourself? As concerns my prior post that precipitated all of
> > > > > this banter, if I am mistaken, unlike yourself and your buddy above, I would be man enough
> > > > > to step
> forward,
> > > > > say that I'm wrong and offer my apology. Let's face facts though; insecure as you are, you
> > > > > don't pass up a single opportunity to seize center stage in order to bask in the
> > > > > limelight. By your own admission, you are a publicity hound. If your claimed of 21,861
> miles
> > > > > is accurate, it would be extremely uncharacteristic of you to pass
> up
> > > > > the chance to conduct your annual mileage survey in order to
> inscribe
> > > > > your feat on your website. You know it, and all of cyberspace knows
> > > > > it ... self-promotion is your specialty and no one is more accomplished at tooting his own
> > > > > horn than you are. With feigned humility, you asserted, "I saw no reason to post this
> > > > > on the website as it is not all that much mileage in comparison to my many years
> > > > > racing when younger." If I am to take you at your word, then I also have to call into
> > > > > question the reason why you were compelled to post your three previous year's mileage
> > > > > figures (12,268, 11,014 and 14,857). Is it just me or is this a mixed message that
> > > > > flies in the face of your "logic"? As concerns the picture you portrayed of me
> ...
> > > > > in fact, you are a year my senior ... I'm not lonely in search of companionship ... my
> > > > > hair has yet to turn gray. Have you no integrity, at all? I forgot ... liars don't have
> > > > > integrity!
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. By the way, when are you going to learn the difference between "who" and "whom"? I
> > > > > suppose when you are able discern the
> difference
> > > > > between "limescreen shavings" and "limestone screenings" and "prowlness" and "prowess".
> > > > > Less time on the bike and more time hittin' the books might benefit one who is so
> > > > > feverishly engaged in self-promotion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim McNamara
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed Gin & Shirleen Kajiwara <
[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<
[email protected]>...
> > > > > > Fastrider,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jimmy's favorite pastime is boasting to fellow cyclists "how
> expensive AND
> > > > > > light" his bikes are. Many of my fellow riders have always asked me why
> he brags
> > > > > > about his bikes so often and mentions whom he USED to ride with. Their perception is he
> > > > > > is one ego centered braggart and right they are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Recently others have mentioned to me, "every time I see Jimmy on
> the North
> > > > > > Branch Trail, he isn't riding, just jabbing away," as is the case the last 3
> times I've
> > > > > > seen him. No need to guess what he is boasting about now, is there? ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I OTOH along with a couple of his "past" friends all wish him well
> with his
> > > > > > retirement and may he "find peace with himself."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fair warning though, if you EVER see a black P-38 sitting on the
> side of
> > > > > > the Chicago North Branch trail with a older gray haired fellow looking for
> companionship,
> > > > > > think twice about stopping!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But if you do, tell him Ed sent you....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed -
http://www.2ni2.com/emoticon/grupos/ola.gif - Gin
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > fastrider wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <
[email protected]>,
[email protected]
> > > > > > > (Jim McNamara) wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stay tuned for more of the same bullhsit from the man who does it
> best,
> > > > > > > > a legend in his own mind and Peter Pan of the recumbent set
> ... "HEAD"
> > > > > > > > Gin! - Jim McNamara
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You got it all wrong Jimmy, You are the one who is full of nothing but BS with all
> > > > > > > your self righteous, self serving, boring dribble you post on the HPV
> list. At
> > > > > > > least Ed takes an active part in the local HPV community, he has
> helped
> > > > > > > a lot of people get started with recumbents, he has organized
> rides and
> > > > > > > social events, he has been involved with the HPV racing circuit
> and also
> > > > > > > has a web site with a lot of documented information about
> fairings,
> > > > > > > projects and data regarding many recumbent models.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You on the other hand have done nothing of benefit for the bent community.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jimmy you are just a bag of hot air on the HPV list who spends
> more time
> > > > > > > at the keyboard than riding his bike. Save your big stories
> about all
> > > > > > > the world class cyclist you ride with on the North Branch trail
> for
> > > > > > > Ripley's Believe It or Not. Looks like you are the one full of
> BS Jimmy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fastrider