Bike chains

[Michael Press]

In article <[email protected]>,
Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT), datakoll <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Mar 26, 8:53 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On 3/26/2008 5:30 PM Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:20:27 -0700, Mike Elliott <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Wait -- modern chains should not be taken apart with a chain tool? I did
> >> >> not know that! That's how I remove mine to clean. So . . . what's the
> >> >> more correct procedure?
> >>
> >> > Don't know if that's a typo.... You do use a chain tool to take it apart, you
> >> > aren't supposed to use one to put it back together.
> >>
> >> It wasn't a typo so much as an incompletion. I use a chain tool for
> >> removal and re-installation. Or have done so until now. I have
> >> reconsidered this now that the error of my ways has been pointed out.
> >>
> >> > A lot of mixed experience on this. I re-riveted a Shimano 8s chain (instead of
> >> > using the magic pin) and got about 200 miles before it took the der hanger off
> >> > my mountain bike. Others seem to have no problem.
> >>
> >> Like me, on many bikes. So far.
> >>
> >> > Mostly I use the Sram links - cheap, easy and reliable.*
> >>
> >> > Ron
> >> > [*] Just how I like my women
> >>
> >> That's just common sense. Who'd want a costly, difficult, or unreliable one?
> >
> >does she own a 500SL ?
>
> Is there a woman who owns one who bought it herself outside of the, uh,
> industry?

Outside of the computer, banking, real estate, entertainment industries?
Probably a few.

--
Michael Press

 

[Tom Sherman]

Mike Rocket J Squirrel wrote:
> On 3/27/2008 9:55 AM datakoll wrote:
>
>> On Mar 26, 8:53 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2008 5:30 PM Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>>>[...]
>>>> [*] Just how I like my women
>>> That's just common sense. Who'd want a costly, difficult, or
>>> unreliable one?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
>>
>> does she own a 500SL ?
>
> She could, I guess. She's hypothetical. What would a costly, difficult,
> unreliable woman drive?
>
Luxury SUV, of course.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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[Tom Sherman]

datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
> JAGUAR

PANTERA

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[Tom Sherman]

Hobbes@spnb&s.com aka Ron Hobbes wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT), datakoll <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 26, 8:53 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2008 5:30 PM Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> [*] Just how I like my women
>>> That's just common sense. Who'd want a costly, difficult, or unreliable one?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
>> does she own a 500SL ?
>
> Is there a woman who owns one who bought it herself outside of the, uh,
> industry?

Marrying for money is part of the "industry".

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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[Tom Sherman]

RonSonic ? wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:46:29 -0700, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>> Mike, what do you have to say about the venerable PC-48, PC-58, and
>>> PC-68 SRAM chains? I have been pretty happy with SRAM PC-68's.
>>>
>>> - Don Gillies
>> Don: Good chains that last well but don't shift as well up-front as the
>> Shimano. We have fixed many a front-shifting problem by replacing a PC-48
>> with a Shimano chain (any HG variety). We have had customers fight us over
>> this, insisting that their PC-whatever chain is not causing the front
>> shifting to be not as they'd like... and accuse us of doing something else
>> to magically bring their shifting performance back up (after we replaced the
>> chain and all was well).
>>
>> Some people are far less picky about front shifting than others. Examples
>> are those who say they have no problem using non-standard chainrings and
>> size combinations with STI shifters.
>
> Probably people who learned to shift before the clicky shifter thing happened.
>
With a bar-end shifter, I have been able to use combinations such as
54/44/24T, 62/52/39T and 73/52T without problems, all with "plain"
chainrings. Try that with STI, Ergo or Rabidfire (sic)!

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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[Tom Sherman]

Dieter Britz wrote:
> Dieter Britz wrote:
>
>> I have just put a new chain on my bike, the old one starting to get
>> a bit noisy (stretched). I once read here that chains stretch because
>> grit grinds away at the bearings, so I assumed that it didn't matter
>> much how much I pay for a chain. The bike shop tells me, however, that
>> there are various qualities of chain.
>>
>> Does it pay to pay more for a chain, and if so, why?
>
> Thank you all for the answers. I will continue to buy next-to-cheapest
> chains, as advised. Here in DK we use bikes every day, to get to work
> and back home, and a lot of bikes, like mine, have hub gears rather than
> derailleurs. I myself have a single-gear Torpedo hub with back-pedal
> brake, a great hub, probably about 60 years old, indestructible. So I
> need to cut off a definite length of chain, and I hope I never buy one
> of those fancy types you mention with peened pins, that you should not
> break and reassemble. Actually I doubt that these are sold here.[...]
>
I am certain that one can buy any Shimano, SRAM or Campagnolo chain in
any of the larger cities in Denmark. They may only be sold in the
specialty stores that cater to "club" or "racing" cyclists, however.

That said, using a more expensive chain designed for 7-10 derailer gears
would be a waste on a single-speed or internally geared hub bicycle.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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[Guy Anderson, Sr.]

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:40:11 +0100, Dieter Britz <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Someone wrote "when I was waxing chains..." - why did you stop? I do
>that, and the wax lasts longer than oil and, it seems to me, repels
>water better (it rains a lot here).

I quit waxing chains because wax has almost "0" lubricity. And I
reached just the opposite conclusion re wax lasting longer and
repelling water better than oil. Finally, one must remove the chain
to wax it--too much trouble, especially with the advent of 1-step
cleaner/lubes like Pro Link.