Bravo IOC and Jeff

[Bill C]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
quoted:
Rogge defends cycling
International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge has defended
professional cycling in the wake of several big doping scandals that
have rocked the sport this year. Quoted on Sporza, Rogge applauded
cycling's aggressive approach towards tackling doping. "A sport is
credible if there is full drug testing, both during and outside
competition," he said. "Not only the athletes have to be punished, but
also the people around them. And cycling does that."

Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
impression that the problem is bigger there."

Bill C

 

"Bill C" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
> quoted:
> Rogge defends cycling
> International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge has defended
> professional cycling in the wake of several big doping scandals that
> have rocked the sport this year. Quoted on Sporza, Rogge applauded
> cycling's aggressive approach towards tackling doping. "A sport is
> credible if there is full drug testing, both during and outside
> competition," he said. "Not only the athletes have to be punished, but
> also the people around them. And cycling does that."
>
> Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
> have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
> sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
> impression that the problem is bigger there."
>
> Bill C
>

I am with you and Rogge on it !
Bravo

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:54:31 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:

>
>"Bill C" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
>[email protected]...
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
>> quoted:
>> Rogge defends cycling
>> International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge has defended
>> professional cycling in the wake of several big doping scandals that
>> have rocked the sport this year. Quoted on Sporza, Rogge applauded
>> cycling's aggressive approach towards tackling doping. "A sport is
>> credible if there is full drug testing, both during and outside
>> competition," he said. "Not only the athletes have to be punished, but
>> also the people around them. And cycling does that."
>>
>> Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
>> have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
>> sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
>> impression that the problem is bigger there."
>>
>> Bill C
>>
>
>I am with you and Rogge on it !

Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
life, with cheating is depressing.

JT

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[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <[email protected]>,
John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:54:31 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bill C" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> >[email protected]...
> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
> >> quoted:
> >> Rogge defends cycling

> >> Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
> >> have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
> >> sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
> >> impression that the problem is bigger there."
> >>
> >> Bill C

> >I am with you and Rogge on it !
>
> Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
> life, with cheating is depressing.

Thank heavens for amateur racing.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email protected] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:16:34 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:54:31 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Bill C" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> >[email protected]...
>> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
>> >> quoted:
>> >> Rogge defends cycling
>
>> >> Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
>> >> have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
>> >> sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
>> >> impression that the problem is bigger there."
>> >>
>> >> Bill C
>
>> >I am with you and Rogge on it !
>>
>> Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
>> life, with cheating is depressing.
>
>Thank heavens for amateur racing.

LOL.

JT

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[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <[email protected]>,
John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:16:34 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:54:31 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Bill C" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> >> >[email protected]...
> >> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
> >> >> quoted:
> >> >> Rogge defends cycling
> >
> >> >> Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
> >> >> have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
> >> >> sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
> >> >> impression that the problem is bigger there."
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill C
> >
> >> >I am with you and Rogge on it !
> >>
> >> Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
> >> life, with cheating is depressing.
> >
> >Thank heavens for amateur racing.
>
> LOL.

JT, I'm not even joking. First off, I compete in Cat 4 (beer league
racing!) so anyone successfully cheating me would end up in Cat 3 right
quick. Second, the financial incentive is virtually nil, if not negative.

Moreover, the categorized nature of amateur racing means that it
resembles the "personal-best" culture of runners: the goal isn't really
to be the best, only to do well relative to what you expect.

At some level I want to race in a clean pack, but the cheaters are not
spoiling my fun.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email protected] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

 

[RonSonic]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:17:39 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:16:34 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:54:31 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Bill C" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> >> >[email protected]...
>> >> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
>> >> >> quoted:
>> >> >> Rogge defends cycling
>> >
>> >> >> Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
>> >> >> have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
>> >> >> sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
>> >> >> impression that the problem is bigger there."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bill C
>> >
>> >> >I am with you and Rogge on it !
>> >>
>> >> Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
>> >> life, with cheating is depressing.
>> >
>> >Thank heavens for amateur racing.
>>
>> LOL.
>
>JT, I'm not even joking. First off, I compete in Cat 4 (beer league
>racing!) so anyone successfully cheating me would end up in Cat 3 right
>quick. Second, the financial incentive is virtually nil, if not negative.
>
>Moreover, the categorized nature of amateur racing means that it
>resembles the "personal-best" culture of runners: the goal isn't really
>to be the best, only to do well relative to what you expect.
>
>At some level I want to race in a clean pack, but the cheaters are not
>spoiling my fun.

As for the guy who NEEDS to move up to Cat 3 and NEEDS to dope to do it, I'd be
more pitying than anything else.

Ron

 

[Howard Kveck]

In article <[email protected]>,
RonSonic <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:17:39 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]> wrote:

> >JT, I'm not even joking. First off, I compete in Cat 4 (beer league
> >racing!) so anyone successfully cheating me would end up in Cat 3 right
> >quick. Second, the financial incentive is virtually nil, if not negative.
> >
> >Moreover, the categorized nature of amateur racing means that it
> >resembles the "personal-best" culture of runners: the goal isn't really
> >to be the best, only to do well relative to what you expect.
> >
> >At some level I want to race in a clean pack, but the cheaters are not
> >spoiling my fun.
>
> As for the guy who NEEDS to move up to Cat 3 and NEEDS to dope to do it, I'd
> be more pitying than anything else.

Yeah, that kind of person would be considered to be very pathetic, but in the
meantime the people he's racing are getting sort of screwed out of getting to move
up to Cat 3 (obviously doing that isn't really for the financial end of it - "Hey, I
won a tall water bottle instead of a standard one!") or whatever the goal may be.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:17:39 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:16:34 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:54:31 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Bill C" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> >> >[email protected]...
>> >> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
>> >> >> quoted:
>> >> >> Rogge defends cycling
>> >
>> >> >> Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
>> >> >> have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
>> >> >> sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
>> >> >> impression that the problem is bigger there."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bill C
>> >
>> >> >I am with you and Rogge on it !
>> >>
>> >> Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
>> >> life, with cheating is depressing.
>> >
>> >Thank heavens for amateur racing.
>>
>> LOL.
>
>JT, I'm not even joking.

Cool.

JT

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[Curtis L. Russell]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:48:50 -0700, Howard Kveck
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> As for the guy who NEEDS to move up to Cat 3 and NEEDS to dope to do it, I'd
>> be more pitying than anything else.
>
> Yeah, that kind of person would be considered to be very pathetic, but in the
>meantime the people he's racing are getting sort of screwed out of getting to move
>up to Cat 3 (obviously doing that isn't really for the financial end of it - "Hey, I
>won a tall water bottle instead of a standard one!") or whatever the goal may be.

OK, ethically speaking, who is the bigger POS - the guy that never
upgrades until someone puts a gun to his or her head so they can win
or place every week (OK, you all know who you are) or the person that
uses drugs to upgrade? This is the kind of ethical question that rbr
is well suited to answer. Ad infintum. Ad nauseum. Ad dle pated.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[[email protected]]

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:48:50 -0700, Howard Kveck
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> As for the guy who NEEDS to move up to Cat 3 and NEEDS to dope to do it, I'd
> >> be more pitying than anything else.
> >
> > Yeah, that kind of person would be considered to be very pathetic, but in the
> >meantime the people he's racing are getting sort of screwed out of getting to move
> >up to Cat 3 (obviously doing that isn't really for the financial end of it - "Hey, I
> >won a tall water bottle instead of a standard one!") or whatever the goal may be.
>
> OK, ethically speaking, who is the bigger POS - the guy that never
> upgrades until someone puts a gun to his or her head so they can win
> or place every week (OK, you all know who you are) or the person that
> uses drugs to upgrade? This is the kind of ethical question that rbr
> is well suited to answer. Ad infintum. Ad nauseum. Ad dle pated.

In the cat3s and below, the guy who never upgrades is the bigger POS.
The doper wins his races and then is gone. The other guy is there week
after week.

 

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:48:50 -0700, Howard Kveck
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >> As for the guy who NEEDS to move up to Cat 3 and NEEDS to dope to do it,
> > >> I'd
> > >> be more pitying than anything else.
> > >
> > > Yeah, that kind of person would be considered to be very pathetic, but
> > > in the
> > >meantime the people he's racing are getting sort of screwed out of getting
> > >to move
> > >up to Cat 3 (obviously doing that isn't really for the financial end of it
> > >- "Hey, I
> > >won a tall water bottle instead of a standard one!") or whatever the goal
> > >may be.
> >
> > OK, ethically speaking, who is the bigger POS - the guy that never
> > upgrades until someone puts a gun to his or her head so they can win
> > or place every week (OK, you all know who you are) or the person that
> > uses drugs to upgrade? This is the kind of ethical question that rbr
> > is well suited to answer. Ad infintum. Ad nauseum. Ad dle pated.
>
> In the cat3s and below, the guy who never upgrades is the bigger POS.
> The doper wins his races and then is gone. The other guy is there week
> after week.

That's an option? I was under the impression that once you had won
enough points, you were gone. Locally, I hear far more grumbling that
there aren't enough upgrade points from people who would like to upgrade
than whining from sandbaggers.

Not that I have ever had any of these problems,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email protected] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

 

[[email protected]]

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> > > OK, ethically speaking, who is the bigger POS - the guy that never
> > > upgrades until someone puts a gun to his or her head so they can win
> > > or place every week (OK, you all know who you are) or the person that
> > > uses drugs to upgrade? This is the kind of ethical question that rbr
> > > is well suited to answer. Ad infintum. Ad nauseum. Ad dle pated.
> >
> > In the cat3s and below, the guy who never upgrades is the bigger POS.
> > The doper wins his races and then is gone. The other guy is there week
> > after week.
>
> That's an option? I was under the impression that once you had won
> enough points, you were gone.

It was definitely happening when I was racing, but that was a while
back. I don't know if it is still happening.