Please delete this. You shouldn't have seen it, and the public doesn't need to know. Please respect retail. The company sets the RRP.JTE83 said:when bike shops get them for $319 (saw their price book).
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Please delete this. You shouldn't have seen it, and the public doesn't need to know. Please respect retail. The company sets the RRP.JTE83 said:when bike shops get them for $319 (saw their price book).
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bobbyOCR said:And Campy have a much better crank design. If they made an alloy record UT, I'd be on it. Shimano cranks are a performance first, but looks second. SRAM just make **** cranks.
sideshow_bob said:The one thing I like about the external cable route is you can slip a couple of inline barrel adjusters on the cable. If you use a neutral spare wheel for example a little tweak on the fly and you're running smooth.
--brett
JTE83 said:I prefer Shimano, then Campy, then SRAM. I really hate the price of SRAM Force shifters at $569, when bike shops get them for $319 (saw their price book).
At first I was only a Shimano guy, but my CF Soloist came Campy and I stuck with it because it's costly to change. At least Campy is so blingy with its CF.
knonfs said:WHAT?!?!
I just purchased a SRAM Force crank, do you have any links to those "bad" reviews?
A couple of inline barrel adjusters?sideshow_bob said:The one thing I like about the external cable route is you can slip a couple of inline barrel adjusters on the cable. If you use a neutral spare wheel for example a little tweak on the fly and you're running smooth.
Do you mean you've got inline adjusters on the cable or you've got adjusters on the frame cable stops?alienator said:But I've got barrel adjusters just behind my headtube, on the downtube.
That's primarily the reason. And the fact that for the retail price of the crankset, you can get lighter, stiffer options for the same if not cheaper. They are just lacking behind in the performance areea of cranksets. I know they are good, but not great.alienator said:SRAM, aka Truvativ, has had a chequered past with it's bottom brackets. I'm not sure what else he's refering to.
pfft. Who needs barrel adjusters. I've got 1 on my RD, and thats it.sogood said:A couple of inline barrel adjusters?
Seriously, Campag nor SRAM setups don't stop you from putting in barrel adjusters. Just at a different location that's all.
But without a barrel adjuster of some form at the front, you can't exactly adjust the cable tension whilst riding. No, I didn't think you have such a long right arm...bobbyOCR said:pfft. Who needs barrel adjusters. I've got 1 on my RD, and thats it.
i think generally if you aren't racing that they aren't required (though they are a nice luxary in setting the cable tension on the fd). you simply stop and adjust as necessary and off you go again (if it's required at all on the road).bobbyOCR said:pfft. Who needs barrel adjusters. I've got 1 on my RD, and thats it.
bobbyOCR said:That's primarily the reason. And the fact that for the retail price of the crankset, you can get lighter, stiffer options for the same if not cheaper. They are just lacking behind in the performance areea of cranksets. I know they are good, but not great.
They don't have the looks of Campy, or the Q-Factor
They don't have the performance of DA.
They are heavier than both.
I hope Red cranks are better.
sideshow_bob said:Do you mean you've got inline adjusters on the cable or you've got adjusters on the frame cable stops?
A lot of frames today with internal cable routes on the downtube don't have cable stops, simply a hole in the frame, my Cervelo Solist as an example, so it's either in lines or nothing.
Agree, I've got no barrel adjusters or downtube adjusters on my bike either. RD's come with them, and they're hardly needed on the front. I've adjusted my FD tension a total of once, at around 600 miles, and the bike's got almost 15K miles now.bobbyOCR said:pfft. Who needs barrel adjusters. I've got 1 on my RD, and thats it.
God I'm looking forward to them. NACA profile crankarms?alienator said:And they certainly aren't Claviculas.........did I mention that I love my Claviculas? Why as I type, they're calling to me and forcing me to leer at their mud covered sexiness.
Truvativ has also had some finish issues with their products.
If I couldn't buy another set of Claviculas, I'd be hard pressed not to buy a set of the new Record cranks......well, at least until LEW released the cranks they're contemplating........
Barrel adjusters on the cable housing are a terrible curse - they always shorten with time, screwing the indexing and requiring daily adjustment. I've locked mine in the shortest position and will remove it the next time I replace the derailleur cable.sogood said:But without a barrel adjuster of some form at the front, you can't exactly adjust the cable tension whilst riding. No, I didn't think you have such a long right arm...
Bobby, is the SRAM left shifter indexed (a la Shimano), or does it just click a few stops and move the FD wherever you want (a la Campy)?bobbyOCR said:Campy is good, but they all have their positives. For SRAM it is definitely the lever shape, ingenious positioning system, but their shifting isn't a 'wow' change.
Indexed. No trim. Not that a well set up FD should need it.nerdag said:Bobby, is the SRAM left shifter indexed (a la Shimano), or does it just click a few stops and move the FD wherever you want (a la Campy)?
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