Cycling to school - draft.



The moving hand writes, and having writ, moves back to correct a few
awkward/ambiguous turns of phrase:

Back to "Checking the bike:"

"tyre sidewall should" -> "tyre sidewall must"

Also move the entire sentence "The tyre sidewall..." to the beginning of
the paragraph, so it doesn't interrupt the other two sentences

"spinning the wheels" -> "spinning them gently" (removes multiple wheels)

"Each brake block" -> "Every brake block" (I saw a bike at our last Dr
Bike with a total of one fitted brake block out of the four, and that
was on the back wheel; the rider's mother reported that 'braking was
difficult' :)

R.
 
Tom Crispin wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:59:08 +0100, John B <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >> >I'm more concerned about her hair which should really be tied back.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Why?
> >
> >Because long hair can obstruct vision when looking behind, or worse get
> >in the eyes and cause smarting.
>
> I expect that tight plaits are less of a problem.

It was those that caught my eye and made me think they are less likely to
be flowing in the wind and more likely to be 'in the way' when riding,
especially as such hairstyles may have beads and suchlike.

But never having worn my hair like that I don't really know ;-)

John B
 
Geraint Jones wrote:
> Chris Gerhard <[email protected]> wrote:
> | She had no helmet on but lived to tell the tail ...
> | <Anecdotal>
> | By sheer coincidence my daughter fell off her bike on the way to school
> | this week. There were a number of contributory factors as she explained
> | it to me one of which was she was riding one handed to push her hair out
> | of her face.
> |
> | She had no helmet on but lived to tell the tail ...
>
> Pig-tail?

No, that is the thread about cyclists runnign red lights that way ->

...d
 
Richard wrote:
> The moving hand writes, and having writ, moves back to correct a few
> awkward/ambiguous turns of phrase:

Popped all those in.

> "Each brake block" -> "Every brake block" (I saw a bike at our last Dr
> Bike with a total of one fitted brake block out of the four, and that
> was on the back wheel; the rider's mother reported that 'braking was
> difficult' :)

I changed it again, now read "All 4 brake blocks", seemed less ambiguous.

Pete.
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David Martin wrote:

> Having been looking recently,
> About 130 GBP would be a good starting point. Don't forget that second
> hand can be much cheaper - there seems to be a plethora on eBay right
> now.

With Tom's suggestions coming in at about the ton with VAT, and £100
being a nice round number, how about "from around £100 for a new bike,
assuming it is a straightforward design" or summat like that? (emphasis
on the "summat", don't really like that wording).

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
 
Peter Clinch wrote:
> David Martin wrote:
>
>> Having been looking recently,
>> About 130 GBP would be a good starting point. Don't forget that second
>> hand can be much cheaper - there seems to be a plethora on eBay right
>> now.
>
> With Tom's suggestions coming in at about the ton with VAT, and £100
> being a nice round number, how about "from around £100 for a new bike,
> assuming it is a straightforward design" or summat like that? (emphasis
> on the "summat", don't really like that wording).

Lights, lock, pump, gloves, rack and panniers are things that don't
usually come with a cheap bike, so it needs to be pointed out that these
should be budgeted for if required. IMHO all bar rack and panniers are
essential, stet those if you actually want it to be useful.

JimP
--
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to
grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after
all. - DNA
 
Jim Price wrote:

> Lights, lock, pump, gloves, rack and panniers are things that don't
> usually come with a cheap bike

Often don't come with expensive ones...

> so it needs to be pointed out that these
> should be budgeted for if required.

Noted.

> IMHO all bar rack and panniers are
> essential, stet those if you actually want it to be useful.

Despite all my bikes having cargo carrying facilities, it is rather
silly saying a bike can't be useful without one, especially given the
huge number in daily use with no such kit. I think it's counter
productive to be too prescriptive about what "proper" bikes should have.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
 
Peter Clinch wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> > The moving hand writes, and having writ, moves back to correct a few
> > awkward/ambiguous turns of phrase:
>
> Popped all those in.
>
> > "Each brake block" -> "Every brake block" (I saw a bike at our last Dr
> > Bike with a total of one fitted brake block out of the four, and that
> > was on the back wheel; the rider's mother reported that 'braking was
> > difficult' :)
>
> I changed it again, now read "All 4 brake blocks", seemed less ambiguous.

Unless you have coaster, roller, or disk brakes...

...d
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
 
Peter Clinch wrote:
> David Martin wrote:
>
>> Having been looking recently,
>> About 130 GBP would be a good starting point. Don't forget that second
>> hand can be much cheaper - there seems to be a plethora on eBay right
>> now.
>
> With Tom's suggestions coming in at about the ton with VAT, and £100
> being a nice round number, how about "from around £100 for a new bike,
> assuming it is a straightforward design" or summat like that? (emphasis
> on the "summat", don't really like that wording).

Having proposed the inclusion of price information, it occurs to me that
parents could be further confused if you suggest a hundred pounds plus
for a workable bike, yet they can find offers in the supermarket for
much less. Maybe it needs to give a prod in the direction of a decent
LBS as the source of bikes (new and even secondhand?).

??? "Try to visit a cycling shop in your area and take advantage of the
expertise of the staff to help you choose a suitable bike. Expect to
pay at least £100 for a new bike - cheaper secondhand bikes may be
available." ???


--
Brian G
 
Brian G wrote:

> Having proposed the inclusion of price information, it occurs to me that
> parents could be further confused if you suggest a hundred pounds plus
> for a workable bike, yet they can find offers in the supermarket for
> much less. Maybe it needs to give a prod in the direction of a decent
> LBS as the source of bikes (new and even secondhand?).
>
> ??? "Try to visit a cycling shop in your area and take advantage of the
> expertise of the staff to help you choose a suitable bike. Expect to
> pay at least £100 for a new bike - cheaper secondhand bikes may be
> available." ???

Current wording (since about lunchtime) at
http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/cyclebike.htm is

"As a very rough guide to costs, for a new bike it's probably worth
spending something like £100 up if possible, with that sort of sum
getting a reasonable no-frills bike. Much cheaper and the quality will
suffer, especially if the bike has fancy features such as disc brakes.

Don't rule out 2nd hand: there are often many available that have
nothing wrong with them apart from having been outgrown by their owners."

How's that?

I'll put in an extra bit to avoid supermarkets...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
 
Peter Clinch wrote:
> Brian G wrote:
>
>> Having proposed the inclusion of price information, it occurs to me
>> that parents could be further confused if you suggest a hundred pounds
>> plus for a workable bike, yet they can find offers in the supermarket
>> for much less. Maybe it needs to give a prod in the direction of a
>> decent LBS as the source of bikes (new and even secondhand?).
>>
>> ??? "Try to visit a cycling shop in your area and take advantage of
>> the expertise of the staff to help you choose a suitable bike. Expect
>> to pay at least £100 for a new bike - cheaper secondhand bikes may be
>> available." ???
>
> Current wording (since about lunchtime) at
> http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/cyclebike.htm is
>
> "As a very rough guide to costs, for a new bike it's probably worth
> spending something like £100 up if possible, with that sort of sum
> getting a reasonable no-frills bike. Much cheaper and the quality will
> suffer, especially if the bike has fancy features such as disc brakes.
>
> Don't rule out 2nd hand: there are often many available that have
> nothing wrong with them apart from having been outgrown by their owners."
>
> How's that?
>
> I'll put in an extra bit to avoid supermarkets...

I rest content.

--
Brian G
 
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:56:55 +0100, "Simon Bennett"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>David Martin wrote:
>
>> Now with my constructive criticism hat on (and fully anticipating
>> being told I am talking rubbish)..
>
>I'm happy with all the suggestions. I don't really want to get involved with
>the editorial side of it -- I'm just re-hashing what's already been put out.
>You've been involved with this from the outset and are much better at it
>than me.

I hope I've managed to collate all the suggestions.

Front page - Photo (c) David Martin



Cycling to School

Replace: Help to reduced traffic and congestion around the school

With: Reduce traffic and congestion around the school

Format black on orange text with left edge of orange background.

Replace: A journey by bicycle is comparably safe to a journey by foot:
mile for mile, a child cycling on the road is just as safe as their
friend walking on the pavement.

With: A bicycle journey is just as safe as walking: mile for mile a
child cycling on the road is safer than their friend walking on the
pavement.

Replace: Some children choose to wear a helmet, it should be noted
that helmets are only designed to withstand low speed impacts, and do
nothing to prevent a crash occurring.

With: No special clothes are needed for cycling but you should ensure
that any loose clothing cannot get caught in moving parts. Some
children choose to wear a helmet, it should be noted that helmets are
only designed to withstand low speed impacts, and do nothing to
prevent a crash occurring.

Insert http://www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/urc_upload/SCHOOL6.JPG or
similar top right.

Replace bottom left photo with:
http://static.flickr.com/42/120403782_0f9ccf0265_b.jpg

"Photo (c) Tom Crispin" on both photos.



Cycle Training

Consider swapping inside pages and matching NCN signs.



The Right Bike

Lower photo widened to orange background.
http://www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/urc_upload/PUNCT3.JPG
or similar.
 
Tom Crispin wrote:

<snipped edits>

Got that. I'll work on it tomorrow evening. Will report back with changes
then.
 
On 1 May 2006 23:55:54 -0700, "David Martin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Tom Crispin wrote:
>> Replace bottom left photo with:
>> http://static.flickr.com/42/120403782_0f9ccf0265_b.jpg
>
>There is plenty of scope for cropping this pic, especially at the top.
>
>Are we going with the 'travelling by bike' or 'cycling to school' as
>the headings?

I like 'cycling to school' as I'm interested in the leaflet being
school specific, but John B prefers 'travelling by bike'. There's no
reason we can't have two versions. I'm hoping to distribute 500 of
the leaflets at the start of bike week. I'm also going to send copies
to the people I know who work on cycling strategy for Transport for
London and the London Cycle Campaign.
 
Tom Crispin wrote:
> On 1 May 2006 23:55:54 -0700, "David Martin"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Tom Crispin wrote:
> >> Replace bottom left photo with:
> >> http://static.flickr.com/42/120403782_0f9ccf0265_b.jpg
> >
> >There is plenty of scope for cropping this pic, especially at the top.
> >
> >Are we going with the 'travelling by bike' or 'cycling to school' as
> >the headings?
>
> I like 'cycling to school' as I'm interested in the leaflet being
> school specific, but John B prefers 'travelling by bike'. There's no
> reason we can't have two versions. I'm hoping to distribute 500 of
> the leaflets at the start of bike week. I'm also going to send copies
> to the people I know who work on cycling strategy for Transport for
> London and the London Cycle Campaign.

Anyone out there who is reasonably handy with a camera want to get some
pics of bikes parked in a shopping/leisure environment. to replace the
school bike shed one. Kingston town centre could be good for that.

Should there also be a sentence about 'cycle training isn't just for
children' or is that pushing it too far.

...d
 
On 2 May 2006 10:43:39 -0700, "David Martin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Anyone out there who is reasonably handy with a camera want to get some
>pics of bikes parked in a shopping/leisure environment. to replace the
>school bike shed one. Kingston town centre could be good for that.

Agreed. The cycle shed photo isn't ideal.

>Should there also be a sentence about 'cycle training isn't just for
>children' or is that pushing it too far.

I think it's best to keep the focus, 'Cycling and your Child'.
 
Tom Crispin wrote:

> On 1 May 2006 23:55:54 -0700, "David Martin"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Tom Crispin wrote:
> >> Replace bottom left photo with:
> >> http://static.flickr.com/42/120403782_0f9ccf0265_b.jpg
> >
> >There is plenty of scope for cropping this pic, especially at the top.
> >
> >Are we going with the 'travelling by bike' or 'cycling to school' as
> >the headings?
>
> I like 'cycling to school' as I'm interested in the leaflet being
> school specific, but John B prefers 'travelling by bike'. There's no
> reason we can't have two versions.

Quite.
There are many different audiences and I will probably tweak the content
and insert different pics depending on who it is aimed at. For example
today I could have done with a leaflet aimed at family riding leisure -
cycling to school would be completely irrelevant to the trainees I was
with.
However, tomorrow it will need to be school specific, so 'cycling to
school' would be fine.
at times i also deal with groups in residential homes or boarding schools
so cyanother focus will be needed.

John B
 
David Martin wrote:

>
> Should there also be a sentence about 'cycle training isn't just for
> children' or is that pushing it too far.

I *definitely* need something along those lines.

John B
 
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