headlight recommend?



Ecnerwal wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Nate Nagel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Telling everyone that wants to ride at night that they need to spend
>>$180 on a headlight is fine, I guess, if you want to encourage people
>>not to ride...

>
>
> Well, you know, there those who encourage riding, and those who
> encourage spending lots of money at the LBS, with riding being quite
> optional, so long as the money gets spent - and not at any of your
> hardware stores or evil on-line places.
>
> Put on a tail-light and some side markers as well, preferably. You can
> get the standard 3 red LED tail unit for $2.95 + shipping from
> www.sciplus.com (just a happy customer). They also have a bigger one
> (with 6 times the LEDs) for $8.50. At least you'll know how much your
> LBS is extorting (above the commodity price) for this sort of thing if
> you shop there.
>
> If you're handy with a soldering iron, you can cobble tail and marker
> lights up yourself, though you would have a difficult time breaking even
> for the above price on a tail light with a nice lens and mount.


Already picked up a seriously bright blinky; one of those 9 LED deals.
It's brighter than the taillights on my car, I think. But thanks for
the pointers...

> Don't bother with their 9 white LED "bike & head lamp", other than as a
> possible side marker light, with a little yellow on the lens. Beats no
> light at all (I got one for the headlamp function), but is shamed by the
> low-end single emitter light mentioned below (which I got later on).
>
> If you'll be riding a lot, a NiMH rapid charger and a pile of NiMH AA's
> will cost a lot less than disposables. If you don't use them much,
> disposables are cheaper. Best price I those I found last year was for a
> 20-pack at Adorama camera (also just a happy customer, and a very price
> sensitive one for "commodity" items like this). Some other place may
> well have them cheaper this week. Avoid coin-cell lights for regular use
> - coin cells are expensive unless you buy thousands at a time.


That's what I'm thinking... I've already got the charger and batteries
for the digicam that I keep in my car for work, so buying a couple more
batteries would make sense. Also if I felt like a long ride I could
easily just throw some extra batteries in my seat bag.

> I've got one of the less exciting super-duper LED lights (Terrralux
> lower-end conversion for a 2AA minimag I already owned) and it's very
> effective for being seen (by oncoming cars - I use it when walking along
> the road at night - there's no sidewalk here), and pretty darn good for
> seeing, though I'd suggest getting one of the better/brighter units (as
> others have suggested) for that purpose on a bike. Goes a very long time
> on a set of AA rechargables (I have yet to run it all the way out before
> I decide to recharge for the sake of the batteries). Changed a dim
> battery-eater into a useful light.
>
> Be careful about aiming the bright LED lights - they are painfully
> bright to look at and can blind/dazzle the same as a car high-beam if
> aimed too high. That can help get you IN an accident.


Believe me I'm well aware of that... I'm running E-code halogens on my
car as well, just my way of trying to set a good example...

> Riding at night can be a hairy proposition - but that's regardless of
> how much or how little you've spent on lights, and daytime does not
> remove the hairiness in many places. Every route out of town here
> involves long stretches of too many cars and not enough space for bikes
> (one even has a goodly stretch of concrete retaining wall on the inside
> of a corner - no place to go AND no visibility) - I'm surprised there
> are not more accidents. Once out of town the bike-lane program on the
> highway bills has had a noticeable positive effect on room for bikes -
> getting there is not half the fun, however. At present, I try to stick
> to riding during daylight.


I hear you there. From a driver's perspective, I absolutely *hate*
those bikers that you don't see until "almost too late." So I am indeed
planning lots of reflective tape, etc. should my rims not appear shiny
enough in the headlight test (probably not, I'm guessing.)

I think I'm back where I started, though - your ideas for homebrew look
good, but I've got so many other projects (old car, old house, ugly
yard, etc.) that I was really hoping for something involving minimal
fitting. Looks like this is would actually work with my handlebars and
appears to be fairly bright:

http://www.bikemannetwork.com/biking/p/LT1042

found it here:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=176131

where it seems to be pretty good in the "bang for the buck" department.
I think it was the very first light I found when looking for a light
with a handlebar mount that would work on my bike, and it actually looks
like a very viable option. It ain't the size of my pinkie but it might
get the job done. I am still considering the LED flashlight options
too, for the multifunctional goodness.

nate

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On Apr 26, 2:30 pm, Nate Nagel <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
> difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining desired
> use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often have the
> opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they recommended
> this:
>
> http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_...
>
> Looks like a sweet little piece, but the price tag is almost half as
> much as I paid for my bike! (granted, it cost a good bit more than that
> new... but I *am* trying to maintain some semblance of a budget here.)
>
> Am I silly in thinking I ought to be able to find something "acceptable"
> for less? or should I suck it up and buy it? Can anyone recommend any
> products in particular?
>
> BTW riding with a computer for the first time is a really humbling
> experience. I had never gone on a real ride with one before today...
> My average speed is slow, my cadence is pathetic... I guess that's why
> they sell the darn things, so you can find out what you need to work on.
> I *really* need to get my leg speed up - I don't even feel comfortable
> over about 70 RPM. Maybe I should take the 53 off and put the 46 on to
> force me to pedal faster if I want to maintain a reasonable speed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> nate
>
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If you're having mounting issues due to handlebar space, you might
want to consider an accessory bar. I made this one (http://
www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/HandleBar) for a bag, originally, but
found it works great for lights, too. I used two lamps through this
winter (a well focused 1-watter and a wind angle 'see me' 300 mw LED.)
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Nate Nagel <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://www.bikemannetwork.com/biking/p/LT1042


90 LUX, but not specifying what area is being lit. Perhaps 90 lumens,
perhaps more, perhaps less.

Considering you can get (no kludging required) a handlebar mount for $15
and a 2AA 180 lumen light that fits it for $60 from
http://www.pts-flashlights.com (not even a customer, but they have been
mentioned by several places as a source of good, really bright, lights)
I'd be guessing you'd do better there, for the same money. I'm somewhat
in the "happy with my cheesy minimag upgrade, can't justify spending $60
for a better light right now" state WRT becoming a customer.

Fenix L2D Q5 Cree LED Flashlight

Fenix Bike Flashlight Mount

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Ecnerwal wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Nate Nagel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.bikemannetwork.com/biking/p/LT1042

>
>
> 90 LUX, but not specifying what area is being lit. Perhaps 90 lumens,
> perhaps more, perhaps less.
>
> Considering you can get (no kludging required) a handlebar mount for $15
> and a 2AA 180 lumen light that fits it for $60 from
> http://www.pts-flashlights.com (not even a customer, but they have been
> mentioned by several places as a source of good, really bright, lights)
> I'd be guessing you'd do better there, for the same money. I'm somewhat
> in the "happy with my cheesy minimag upgrade, can't justify spending $60
> for a better light right now" state WRT becoming a customer.
>
> Fenix L2D Q5 Cree LED Flashlight
>
> Fenix Bike Flashlight Mount
>


I dont think that mount would work for me; I couldn't mount it on my
bars as it would interfere with the cables coming out of the cross brake
levers. It doesn't appear that it would mount on the stem either as
then I couldn't adjust the angle up/down... however the twofish thingy
would work I think. or maybe this guy:

http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1593

I could turn it around "backwards" so that the thumbscrew would be on
the rear of the bars and then it would be OK. Although I'm guessing
that the 2AA Fenix flashlight is about the size of a mini mag so I'd
probably want to use the smaller twofish product if I went down that road?

nate

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In article <[email protected]>,
Nate Nagel <[email protected]> wrote:

> Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
> difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining desired
> use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often have the
> opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they recommended
> this:
>
> http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2..._Code=mini-newt&Category_Code=&Store_Code=pbs
>
> Looks like a sweet little piece, but the price tag is almost half as
> much as I paid for my bike! (granted, it cost a good bit more than that
> new... but I *am* trying to maintain some semblance of a budget here.)
>
> Am I silly in thinking I ought to be able to find something "acceptable"
> for less? or should I suck it up and buy it? Can anyone recommend any
> products in particular?
>
> BTW riding with a computer for the first time is a really humbling
> experience. I had never gone on a real ride with one before today...
> My average speed is slow, my cadence is pathetic... I guess that's why
> they sell the darn things, so you can find out what you need to work on.
> I *really* need to get my leg speed up - I don't even feel comfortable
> over about 70 RPM. Maybe I should take the 53 off and put the 46 on to
> force me to pedal faster if I want to maintain a reasonable speed?


Gnaw, unplug the computer.

--
Michael Press
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Jay" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1f2894eb-c1fb-470c-981b-3bf058b7ef53@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Funny that so many of us have ridden so long and so far with nothing
> > more than the most rudimentary, cheap lighting-- or even just
> > reflectors and no actual lights at all.
> >
> > I have figured out a whole bunch of ways to get hurt on my bike, but
> > using inadequate illumination has not been one of them so far. Good
> > (or good and expensive) lighting is something I'd put in the "nice to
> > have" category.
> >
> > Anyway, a $30 Task Force light or a $20 Hong Kong LED light is a way
> > more serious piece of bike lighting equipment than you used to be able
> > to buy for less than $100.
> >
> > Chalo
> >
> >

> Here's an idea! Don't use a headlight at all. Keep that $20 in your pocket.
>
> Just say a prayer before you ride. And tape a plastic Jesus to your
> handlebars.


I don't care if it rains or freezes,

--
Michael Press
 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
>
>Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
>difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining desired
>use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often have the
>opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they recommended
>this:
>
>http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

Screen=PROD&Product_Code=mini-newt&Category_Code=&Store_Code=pbs
>
>Looks like a sweet little piece, but the price tag is almost half as
>much as I paid for my bike! (granted, it cost a good bit more than that
>new... but I *am* trying to maintain some semblance of a budget here.)
>
>Am I silly in thinking I ought to be able to find something "acceptable"
>for less? or should I suck it up and buy it? Can anyone recommend any
>products in particular?
>
>BTW riding with a computer for the first time is a really humbling
>experience. I had never gone on a real ride with one before today...
>My average speed is slow, my cadence is pathetic... I guess that's why
>they sell the darn things, so you can find out what you need to work on.
> I *really* need to get my leg speed up - I don't even feel comfortable
>over about 70 RPM. Maybe I should take the 53 off and put the 46 on to
>force me to pedal faster if I want to maintain a reasonable speed?
>
>Thanks,
>
>nate
>
>--
>replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
>http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Just remove the computer, then you won't worry about your cadence and
spending money on chainrings. Just ride and enjoy.
 
Michael Press wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Jay" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:1f2894eb-c1fb-470c-981b-3bf058b7ef53@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Funny that so many of us have ridden so long and so far with nothing
>>>more than the most rudimentary, cheap lighting-- or even just
>>>reflectors and no actual lights at all.
>>>
>>>I have figured out a whole bunch of ways to get hurt on my bike, but
>>>using inadequate illumination has not been one of them so far. Good
>>>(or good and expensive) lighting is something I'd put in the "nice to
>>>have" category.
>>>
>>>Anyway, a $30 Task Force light or a $20 Hong Kong LED light is a way
>>>more serious piece of bike lighting equipment than you used to be able
>>>to buy for less than $100.
>>>
>>>Chalo
>>>
>>>

>>
>>Here's an idea! Don't use a headlight at all. Keep that $20 in your pocket.
>>
>>Just say a prayer before you ride. And tape a plastic Jesus to your
>>handlebars.

>
>
> I don't care if it rains or freezes,
>


damn you.

nate

(I'll be humming that all day now...)

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In article <[email protected]>,
Nate Nagel <[email protected]> wrote:

> I could turn it around "backwards" so that the thumbscrew would be on
> the rear of the bars and then it would be OK. Although I'm guessing
> that the 2AA Fenix flashlight is about the size of a mini mag so I'd
> probably want to use the smaller twofish product if I went down that road?


The barrel should be almost exactly the same diameter as a 2AA minimag,
since the battery inside in the same.

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Jay wrote:
>
> Here's an idea! Don't use a headlight at all. Keep that $20 in your pocket.


As a youth, I did just that for many years. I even expunged all the
reflective surfaces from myself and my bike. And then I rode like I
was invisible, taking to the sidewalks, parking lots, and back alleys
of the city. I ventured out into the lane only when I could have it
to myself.

The same driver behavior that must be regarded as callous or
aggressive by day can be fully excused at night if one is blacked
out.

Motorcycle riding made me more vehicular in my habits, so I restored
lights and reflectors to my pushbikes. Over time I have become less
nimble and more sedate in my riding, which also suggests good lighting
and a predictable, vehicular approach. Courtesy to motorists is a
wholesome side effect-- but since motorists are intrinsically the most
uncivil class of folk, none of us owe them anything.

> Just say a prayer before you ride. And tape a plastic Jesus to your
> handlebars.


I would have considered a plastic Jesus too conspicuously shiny,
possibly alerting pious yet murderous drivers to my presence.

Chalo
 
On Apr 26, 8:40 pm, "Jay" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:1f2894eb-c1fb-470c-981b-3bf058b7ef53@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Funny that so many of us have ridden so long and so far with nothing
> > more than the most rudimentary, cheap lighting-- or even just
> > reflectors and no actual lights at all.

>
> > I have figured out a whole bunch of ways to get hurt on my bike, but
> > using inadequate illumination has not been one of them so far. Good
> > (or good and expensive) lighting is something I'd put in the "nice to
> > have" category.

>
> > Anyway, a $30 Task Force light or a $20 Hong Kong LED light is a way
> > more serious piece of bike lighting equipment than you used to be able
> > to buy for less than $100.

>
> > Chalo

>
> Here's an idea! Don't use a headlight at all. Keep that $20 in your pocket.
>
> Just say a prayer before you ride. And tape a plastic Jesus to your
> handlebars.


"Jesus shines with divine glory in this glow-in-the-dark offering. A
devout reminder that He is an everlasting light in the darkness."

http://www.busynestonline.com/product.asp?dept_id=5037&pfid=33202
 
On Apr 26, 7:38 pm, "Jay" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Nate Nagel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > ... Looks like a sweet little piece, but the price tag is almost half as much
> > as I paid for my bike!

>
> How much would it cost to drag your wrecked bike and injured body by
> ambulance to the nearest hospital? Because you were penny wise on your bike
> headlight?!
>
> An ambulance ALONE is $1,000 USD. Plus the hospital bill. Plus the ER DR
> bill.
>
> If you go with a cheapie headlight, I hope you have great group insurance
> coverage. Otherwise, you are undoubtedly financially SCREWED.
>
> There is NO FREE LUNCH.


Hmm. So the advice is, always sacrifice as much money as you can to
the consumer gods, so they won't curse you?

There may be no free lunch. But there are an awful lot of very
expensive lunches that are worse than a McDonald's sandwich.

On bike lights: I've ridden with folks whose headlights cost many
times what mine did, but illuminated the road far worse than mine did.

- Frank Krygowski
 
Chalo wrote:
> Jay wrote:
>> Here's an idea! Don't use a headlight at all. Keep that $20 in your pocket.

>
> As a youth, I did just that for many years. I even expunged all the
> reflective surfaces from myself and my bike. And then I rode like I
> was invisible, taking to the sidewalks, parking lots, and back alleys
> of the city. I ventured out into the lane only when I could have it
> to myself.
>
> The same driver behavior that must be regarded as callous or
> aggressive by day can be fully excused at night if one is blacked
> out.
>
> Motorcycle riding made me more vehicular in my habits, so I restored
> lights and reflectors to my pushbikes. Over time I have become less
> nimble and more sedate in my riding, which also suggests good lighting
> and a predictable, vehicular approach. Courtesy to motorists is a
> wholesome side effect-- but since motorists are intrinsically the most
> uncivil class of folk, none of us owe them anything.
>
>> Just say a prayer before you ride. And tape a plastic Jesus to your
>> handlebars.

>
> I would have considered a plastic Jesus too conspicuously shiny,
> possibly alerting pious yet murderous drivers to my presence.
>
> Chalo


I like how that rolls off the tongue, "Pious, yet murderous"! Great
thought for the day as I watch 'em roar off in their SUVs to the various
houses of worship today to throw some loose change in the bucket and get
their dose of fantasy. Me, I'll be on my bike, experiencing the wind.

Cal
 
"Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fe062667-4a87-4db7-937a-f25b017762f0@w74g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Jay wrote:
>>
>> Here's an idea! Don't use a headlight at all. Keep that $20 in your
>> pocket.

>
> As a youth, I did just that for many years. I even expunged all the
> reflective surfaces from myself and my bike. And then I rode like I
> was invisible, taking to the sidewalks, parking lots, and back alleys
> of the city. I ventured out into the lane only when I could have it
> to myself.
>
>

The *Stealth*Biker* - wear all black, no lights, no reflectors, on a seek
and destroy mission in the back alleys of whatever big city...
>
> I would have considered a plastic Jesus too conspicuously shiny,
>
> Chalo
>
> I might buy a plastic Jesus for my handlebars. Just to see the response.
> *That* would be a hoot.


J.
 
Tim McNamara wrote:
> [...]
> No accessory that you can install on your bike will slow it down as much
> as a computer.


butbutbut, adding a second wheel magnet will double your speed for the
same effort.

--
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The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
Tom Sherman wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
>
>> [...]
>> No accessory that you can install on your bike will slow it down as
>> much as a computer.

>
>
> butbutbut, adding a second wheel magnet will double your speed for the
> same effort.
>


HA! that's awesome. I probably have a spare magnet on a stick that
could donate its end for the cause. Take my digicam with me for a ride
and get some pics - look at me I am teh awesome! 50 MPH on street
shoes, suck it biotches!!!11!!11eleventy!

nate

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Jay, I'm rather new here but why do I get the distinct feeling you
**** people off on a regular basis?


TBerk